Browns 2nd Round Pick
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@shepwrite said:
McDonald's a great tackler. Bob Sanders is 5'8", Ed Reed is 5'11". Put him next to a bigger guy and I'd be all for a safety who can cover.It's not the height, it's the weight. Both of the guys you mention also have 20 pounds on McDonald.
There is no way the guy could ever play safety in the NFL. Not even on the free side. He's a good tackler for a corner that has a rather slight frame.
You want a safety to be able to cover but he still has to take a pounding as well. He has to be able to lower his shoulders and take on a block and/or a tailback in the open field. Mcdonald, while a good tackler, does it almost exclusively buy ankle tackling. A typical corner.
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watching the shawn greene highlight video i'd be looking at some of them o-lineman more than greene. wow did you see the holes he gets to run through. Id be a little leiry on drafting a guy running through them holes.
nmills said:
watching the shawn greene highlight video i'd be looking at some of them o-lineman more than greene. wow did you see the holes he gets to run through. Id be a little leiry on drafting a guy running through them holes.I'm always leery of running back highlights with gaping holes created by OL, but he shows a nice burst before the hole collapses in alot of those highlights. He also shows good vision and he looks to have the right kind of "game speed" for an NFL running back.
I'm liking this kid more and more as time goes on. What intrigues me most is that he is not afraid to lower his shoulder and deliver a hit and run some people over. It would be nice to see someone in orange and brown doing that in the AFC North.
-Al
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Most mock's have the browns taking Curry from Wake Forest or Everette Brown from FSU with the number 5 in the first round. Although many fans have a fixation with Malcolm Jenkins and Clay Mathews Jr. (can't blame them, we see a lot of them on tv!) Personally I would like Orakpo from Texas. But this thread is about the important second round pick. I feel if we get a corner in the first round, we should pursue de/olb Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech in the second round. But if we pick an olb in round 1 we should go after CB Macho Harris from Virginia Tech with our second pick. Both Johnson and Harris play with a mean streak and seem to always come up with big plays. What do my fellow Browns fans think?
Most mock's have the browns taking Curry from Wake Forest or Everette Brown from FSU with the number 5 in the first round. Although many fans have a fixation with Malcolm Jenkins and Clay Mathews Jr. (can't blame them, we see a lot of them on tv!) Personally I would like Orakpo from Texas. But this thread is about the important second round pick. I feel if we get a corner in the first round, we should pursue de/olb Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech in the second round. But if we pick an olb in round 1 we should go after CB Macho Harris from Virginia Tech with our second pick. Both Johnson and Harris play with a mean streak and seem to always come up with big plays. What do my fellow Browns fans think?
I like your thinking concerning a 2nd round pick a lot! Harris is a big corner that could actually move up out of our reach in the 2nd round....He should be there but you never know what happens after the combines. I could see scouts falling in love with his size and athleticism at the combines. My guess is that mangini will love the kid.
I'm not crazy about Orakpo though. I haven't seen him that much but he sured disappeared in the OSU game after the first quarter or so.
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I'm up for getting Shonn Greene. tons of videos on youtube has convinced me that he can split carries with Harrison
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watching the shawn greene highlight video i'd be looking at some of them o-lineman more than greene. wow did you see the holes he gets to run through. Id be a little leiry on drafting a guy running through them holes.
nmills said:
watching the shawn greene highlight video i'd be looking at some of them o-lineman more than greene. wow did you see the holes he gets to run through. Id be a little leiry on drafting a guy running through them holes.It is always that way with college backs. You've got to look at the way he sets up blocks, separation speed, balance, the way he breaks tackles, and such. Much of the highlights were him making something out of nothing.
Did you see his pad level when he sees contact coming? The way he gets yards after contact? What I have heard about Greene is that you very rarely saw him falling backwards (the specialty of slick Willie Green from a few years back).
Count me in as a member of his fan club.
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I'm up for getting Shonn Greene. tons of videos on youtube has convinced me that he can split carries with Harrison
I'm up for getting Shonn Greene. tons of videos on youtube has convinced me that he can split carries with Harrison
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If we get a extra 2nd or 3rd Michael Hamlin SS outta clemson would be a great pickup. Hes a ballhawk had 6 ints, had 110 tackles, senior season and loves to lay the wood.
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there's a lot to like about greene. he runs low with a ton of power because he's built like a bowling ball. he's got great balance and breaks a ton of tackles. some of the tackles that he broke in college will bring him down in the NFL, but he'll still break an awful lot. he's also got very quick, agile feet that he uses to set up his blocks and take smart angles as well as keep his balance.
his running style is reminiscent of a young jamal lewis, though young jamal was a threat to take it the distance every single time he touched the ball (especially against us), but greene doesn't have the same breakaway speed that lewis did, which brings me to one of greene's drawbacks.
his speed is only adequate in college, which means that he'll likely be slow in the NFL. personally, i don't think it'll matter, but some people do, and they might be right. only twice this year did he break runs of 40+ yards and he only had four other runs of 30+. his longest rushes in his other games this year were 20, 23, 18, 16, 15, 14, and 11, the last of which was against south carolina in the outback bowl, likely the fastest defense he faced all year.
against defenses ranked in the top 50 in rushing, here's what greene did:
penn state (8th overall, 93.2 YPG, 2.8 YPC): 117 yards, 28 carries, AVG 4.2, long 14, 2TD
pitt (29th overall, 124.2 YPG, 3.6 YPC): 147 yards, 23 carries, AVG 6.4, long 32, 1TD
northwestern (34 overall, 126.4 YPG, 3.6 AVG): 159 yards, 21 carries, AVG 7.6, long 23, 1TD
that's it. he faced three top 50 rushing defenses and did pretty well against all of them.
his biggest games came against wisconsin and purdue, neither of which ranked in the top 50. wisconsin was 5th in the big 10 in rushing and purdue was 11th...in the big 10. not exactly sure how that works.
here are the stat lines:
wisconsin (133.3 YPG, 3.85 YPC): 217 yards, 25 carries, AVG 8.7, long 52, 4TD
purdue (174.8 YPG, 4.5 YPC): 211 yards, 30 carries, AVG 7.0, long 75, 2TD
greene's bowl game performance doesn't look that impressive on paper.
south carolina (7th SEC, 132.7 YPG, 3.6 YPC): 121 yards, 29 carries, AVG 4.2, long 11, 3TD
though south carolina's conference rankings aren't great, remember that they play in the SEC and played georgia, arkansas, tennessee, clemson, florida and LSU while giving up only three non-shonn greene hundred yard rushing days on the season, which inlcudes holding knowshon moreno to 79 yards on 20 carries and arian foster to 56 on 14. percy harvin torched them for over 165 on 8 carries, but he's precy harvin in florida's offense. no one stopped him in three years.
the other hundred yard games were in the first game of the season against NC state when andre brown had 101 yards on 21 carries, and i'm counting the clemson game as a hundred yard game because they gave up 91 and 88 yards to james davis and cj spiller, respectively, and if they hadn't been splitting carries, someone would have had 120 yards on the day.
greene played well against big-time competition all year. aside from a lack of experience, there's no reason to think that he'll be anything but a solid pro. personally, his lack of experience isn't particularly disconcerting. he hits holes with authority, is a patient runner who follows his blockers but also knows when to cut back, has incredible balance and is nearly impossible to bring down, and he holds onto the ball spectacularly, as evidenced by his zero fumbles on the year.
if anything, his lack of college experience is a boon. whoever drafts him will get a RB with less wear on him than most guys who've been a feature back for two or three years. besides, RB is the easiest position for a rookie to make an immediate impact at. even if a RB's still got a few things to learn, which greene does: i don't know about his blitz pickup but i bet it's not great, and his receiving definitely needs work as he caught only eight balls all year, as long as he can carry and hold onto the ball while making the right choice on hitting holes, he can make an immediate impact in the NFL.
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From a Mike Mayock conference call:
--- About Iowa running back Shonn Greene: " He's got to win the interview (at the combine). I'm really not concerned with him on the field, but there are a bunch of off-field issues he has to deal with. I think he'll be fortunate to slip into the second round - I have five running backs rated ahead of him.''
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Good reason why we need to get a high 3rd round pick or low 2nd rounder.
We need picks and not just for Greene but this is a deep draft through the top 120 players.
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From a Mike Mayock conference call:
--- About Iowa running back Shonn Greene: " He's got to win the interview (at the combine). I'm really not concerned with him on the field, but there are a bunch of off-field issues he has to deal with. I think he'll be fortunate to slip into the second round - I have five running backs rated ahead of him.''
Aloysius said:
From a Mike Mayock conference call:To me it's Beanie and Green... he has such a nice LOW center with big power...love those kinds of backs...few teams have them...
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if shonn greene is there take him. period
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Does anyone really think that Shonn Greene will be available in the 2nd round? Will Pissburgh go after a LT or a RB on their 1st pick? they need both
and the Lions may take him with there 20th pick in the 1st.
Does anyone really think that Shonn Greene will be available in the 2nd round? Will Pissburgh go after a LT or a RB on their 1st pick? they need both
I'm positive Greene will be there in Rd. 2. To me, he's, at best, the4th best RB behind Wells, Moreno and McCoy.
PIT took Rashard Mendenhall in the 1st last year, so I doubt they'd take another 1st round RB.
and the Lions may take him with there 20th pick in the 1st.
They have Kevin Smith, who is probably their third-most valuable player behind Calvin Johnson and Ernie Sims, and have many many other holes to fill.
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Does anyone really think that Shonn Greene will be available in the 2nd round? Will Pissburgh go after a LT or a RB on their 1st pick? they need both
I'm positive Greene will be there in Rd. 2. To me, he's, at best, the4th best RB behind Wells, Moreno and McCoy.
PIT took Rashard Mendenhall in the 1st last year, so I doubt they'd take another 1st round RB.
and the Lions may take him with there 20th pick in the 1st.
They have Kevin Smith, who is probably their third-most valuable player behind Calvin Johnson and Ernie Sims, and have many many other holes to fill.
mz. said:
I'm positive Greene will be there in Rd. 2. To me, he's, at best, the4th best RB behind Wells, Moreno and McCoy.PIT took Rashard Mendenhall in the 1st last year, so I doubt they'd take another 1st round RB.
They have Kevin Smith, who is probably their third-most valuable player behind Calvin Johnson and Ernie Sims, and have many many other holes to fill.
Mendenhall was a flop/Bust! and the steelers have Moore and a banged up Parker. And Kevin Smith came close but was still shy of achieving 1,000 yards.
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mz. said:
I'm positive Greene will be there in Rd. 2. To me, he's, at best, the4th best RB behind Wells, Moreno and McCoy.PIT took Rashard Mendenhall in the 1st last year, so I doubt they'd take another 1st round RB.
They have Kevin Smith, who is probably their third-most valuable player behind Calvin Johnson and Ernie Sims, and have many many other holes to fill.
Mendenhall was a flop/Bust! and the steelers have Moore and a banged up Parker. And Kevin Smith came close but was still shy of achieving 1,000 yards.
Mendenhall was a flop/Bust! and the steelers have Moore and a banged up Parker. And Kevin Smith came close but was still shy of achieving 1,000 yards.
mendenhall neither flopped nor busted. he got injured and missed the better part of the season. parker's hurt every year, but always comes back and plays well. he's 28, which means he has at least one good year left, and they have much larger holes to fill on both lines.
kevin smith came close to 1,000 (976, 4.1 YPC) yards on the only winless team in NFL history. he'll be fine as an NFL RB. they've also got far larger worries, like pretty much every other position on the team.
mz the pussy. is completely correct on this one.
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to many other needs to take a running back that high, rb's are to easy to come by unless its a Adrian Peterson or Chris beanie Wells.
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Does anyone really think that Shonn Greene will be available in the 2nd round? Will Pissburgh go after a LT or a RB on their 1st pick? they need both
and the Lions may take him with there 20th pick in the 1st.
Does anyone really think that Shonn Greene will be available in the 2nd round? Will Pissburgh go after a LT or a RB on their 1st pick? they need both
and the Lions may take him with there 20th pick in the 1st.
Pittsburgh usually takes the best player available and it may very well be a OL. The best center in the draft might still be there. Also, the lions don't have to take Green at #20 when they have #33 also. If they want a RB at #20 Wells just may be there, but they have more needs then we do so anything is possible.
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