Jonathan Paul Manziel
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BEREA, Ohio – Cleveland Browns fan Matt LaVelle showed up at the first day of training camp wearing a jersey with "Johnny DawgPound" taped across the back. It was a bit of refashioning he did prior to May's NFL draft in the hope that Johnny Manziel would be Cleveland's pick.Manziel was on the field here Saturday, creating the expected frenzy, or "buzz," in the parlance of Johnny Football. Yet the more LaVelle and his friend watched the side-by-side drills featuring not just Johnny, but of the zipping, accurate throws of the actual No. 1 quarterback on the depth chart, Brian Hoyer, something kept sinking in.Yes, he's a Manziel fan …"… but I like what I'm seeing out of Hoyer," LaVelle said of the low-key, local veteran (Cleveland St. Ignatius High School). Hoyer is a Michigan State product that spent three years backing up Tom Brady in New England. When he finally got a chance to start last year for the Browns, he looked good in three games before injuring his knee."Class act," owner Jimmy Haslam said of Hoyer. "He handles himself extremely well … Is there a better story? He's a hometown kid, coming off of an injury."Well, other than the first day of the rest of Johnny Manziel's life, no, there wasn't a better story.Manziel faces a steep climb here and that stark reality was evident all over the place. Or at least should be to Manziel, who must prove he can play on the field while also separating himself from a lifestyle that he unapologetically embraces.His off-field flair is one reason there were plenty of Manziel No. 2 jerseys among the capacity crowd of 4,000 but they, like the team owner who went out on a limb to draft him, will gladly forget their shiny new sensation in exchange for victories, even ones from dull old Brian Hoyer.That's why there were plenty of "Hoyer, Hoyer" chants as well.Meanwhile, Haslam didn't sound all that pleased when discussing Manziel's proclivity for partying, recommending that he model himself after LeBron James or Peyton Manning, who either avoid drinking on inflatable swans at nightclubs and holding rolled up $20 bills in Vegas bathrooms, or at least do it away from camera phones."The really great athletes make their news on the field, not off the field," Haslam said.Has that message sunk in yet?"We'll see," Haslam said.Manziel addressed Haslam's comments after practice and left lingering doubts. His speech was part concession of some nebulous mistakes, part brag session about how totally awesome his life is, you know being so popular and talented and all."Here's the thing I want to say," Manziel said. "The reason I'm popular, the reason people follow me and there's been such a buzz around me, when I went out on Saturdays at Texas A&M, I played with an extreme amount of passion and I played with my heart on my sleeve."But more than anything I had fun. I had fun playing this game, I had fun going on out on this field playing football. That's what I live for, that's what I do."The same thing off the field," he continued. "Whether I'm going out and playing golf, whether it's going out and having the nightlife, whatever it is, I'm having fun. That's what my life is. And luckily for me I'm living out my dream of playing in the NFL, having a ton of fun."My dream come true and I finally got to have some time to have some downtime and to celebrate that with my family and my friends. This is the greatest life I could've ever imagined for me and I'm loving it." "So will I continue to get better being a professional and learn lessons about life?" Manziel asked. "Of course, I'm 21 years old. Age is not an excuse but I need to mature and I've done some immature things. Moving forward I need to mature and get better and handle myself better as a professional … Life's fun. Enjoy it while it's here."Manziel can live his life anyway he chooses but if he thinks life is short and needs to be embraced, he needs to show he understands life in the NFL is even more precious. Players claim NFL means "Not For Long" for a reason.Coach Mike Pettine said he will name the Browns starter after the second preseason game, which is Aug. 18, or just over three weeks away. Right now Hoyer is getting the reps with the first team. He'll likely get to start the first two preseason games with them too. He wasn't the guy Pettine had to interrupt his vacation to call about the latest social media partying photo."I expect to be the starting quarterback," Hoyer said.In the end, this isn't going to be some grand morality tale about the dutiful worker against the talented party boy. It's quaint but unimportant. In the NFL it's about winning games and nothing else.Both quarterbacks have their fans here but nothing creates excitement, buzz or even eventual idolatry like winning."All that matters is what happens on the field," Hoyer said. "No one is going to cheer for a good guy if they're 4-12.""It's not just my name and my number on the back," Manziel said of the cheering fans before pointing to the front of his jersey. "It's Cleveland. It's the Browns."Manziel talked about the urgency of every snap. He talked about buckling down and working. He talked about getting better each and every session, of plowing through the learning curve of a more complex NFL offense.He also kept talking about how he's living the dream and should embrace it like a typical 21-year-old, except he isn't a typical 21-year-old and, as such, the dream can vanish quickly.So he better chuck it for the Browns. He better be damn, damn good. The competition is serious and significant and popularity doesn't mean a thing. Fans can always buy a new jersey."It's getting real now," Manziel said.We'll see, the man signing his checks said. We'll see.
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BEREA, Ohio – Cleveland Browns fan Matt LaVelle showed up at the first day of training camp wearing a jersey with "Johnny DawgPound" taped across the back. It was a bit of refashioning he did prior to May's NFL draft in the hope that Johnny Manziel would be Cleveland's pick.Manziel was on the field here Saturday, creating the expected frenzy, or "buzz," in the parlance of Johnny Football. Yet the more LaVelle and his friend watched the side-by-side drills featuring not just Johnny, but of the zipping, accurate throws of the actual No. 1 quarterback on the depth chart, Brian Hoyer, something kept sinking in.Yes, he's a Manziel fan …"… but I like what I'm seeing out of Hoyer," LaVelle said of the low-key, local veteran (Cleveland St. Ignatius High School). Hoyer is a Michigan State product that spent three years backing up Tom Brady in New England. When he finally got a chance to start last year for the Browns, he looked good in three games before injuring his knee."Class act," owner Jimmy Haslam said of Hoyer. "He handles himself extremely well … Is there a better story? He's a hometown kid, coming off of an injury."Well, other than the first day of the rest of Johnny Manziel's life, no, there wasn't a better story.Manziel faces a steep climb here and that stark reality was evident all over the place. Or at least should be to Manziel, who must prove he can play on the field while also separating himself from a lifestyle that he unapologetically embraces.His off-field flair is one reason there were plenty of Manziel No. 2 jerseys among the capacity crowd of 4,000 but they, like the team owner who went out on a limb to draft him, will gladly forget their shiny new sensation in exchange for victories, even ones from dull old Brian Hoyer.That's why there were plenty of "Hoyer, Hoyer" chants as well.Meanwhile, Haslam didn't sound all that pleased when discussing Manziel's proclivity for partying, recommending that he model himself after LeBron James or Peyton Manning, who either avoid drinking on inflatable swans at nightclubs and holding rolled up $20 bills in Vegas bathrooms, or at least do it away from camera phones."The really great athletes make their news on the field, not off the field," Haslam said.Has that message sunk in yet?"We'll see," Haslam said.Manziel addressed Haslam's comments after practice and left lingering doubts. His speech was part concession of some nebulous mistakes, part brag session about how totally awesome his life is, you know being so popular and talented and all."Here's the thing I want to say," Manziel said. "The reason I'm popular, the reason people follow me and there's been such a buzz around me, when I went out on Saturdays at Texas A&M, I played with an extreme amount of passion and I played with my heart on my sleeve."But more than anything I had fun. I had fun playing this game, I had fun going on out on this field playing football. That's what I live for, that's what I do."The same thing off the field," he continued. "Whether I'm going out and playing golf, whether it's going out and having the nightlife, whatever it is, I'm having fun. That's what my life is. And luckily for me I'm living out my dream of playing in the NFL, having a ton of fun."My dream come true and I finally got to have some time to have some downtime and to celebrate that with my family and my friends. This is the greatest life I could've ever imagined for me and I'm loving it." "So will I continue to get better being a professional and learn lessons about life?" Manziel asked. "Of course, I'm 21 years old. Age is not an excuse but I need to mature and I've done some immature things. Moving forward I need to mature and get better and handle myself better as a professional … Life's fun. Enjoy it while it's here."Manziel can live his life anyway he chooses but if he thinks life is short and needs to be embraced, he needs to show he understands life in the NFL is even more precious. Players claim NFL means "Not For Long" for a reason.Coach Mike Pettine said he will name the Browns starter after the second preseason game, which is Aug. 18, or just over three weeks away. Right now Hoyer is getting the reps with the first team. He'll likely get to start the first two preseason games with them too. He wasn't the guy Pettine had to interrupt his vacation to call about the latest social media partying photo."I expect to be the starting quarterback," Hoyer said.In the end, this isn't going to be some grand morality tale about the dutiful worker against the talented party boy. It's quaint but unimportant. In the NFL it's about winning games and nothing else.Both quarterbacks have their fans here but nothing creates excitement, buzz or even eventual idolatry like winning."All that matters is what happens on the field," Hoyer said. "No one is going to cheer for a good guy if they're 4-12.""It's not just my name and my number on the back," Manziel said of the cheering fans before pointing to the front of his jersey. "It's Cleveland. It's the Browns."Manziel talked about the urgency of every snap. He talked about buckling down and working. He talked about getting better each and every session, of plowing through the learning curve of a more complex NFL offense.He also kept talking about how he's living the dream and should embrace it like a typical 21-year-old, except he isn't a typical 21-year-old and, as such, the dream can vanish quickly.So he better chuck it for the Browns. He better be damn, damn good. The competition is serious and significant and popularity doesn't mean a thing. Fans can always buy a new jersey."It's getting real now," Manziel said.We'll see, the man signing his checks said. We'll see.
It amazes me how the media can turn so many people against a person . It amazes me even more knowing of the mass number of vaginas that buy into this crap. So he likes to party and take selfies with beiber queen , BIG FUC*NG DEAL.
BEREA, Ohio Cleveland Browns fan Matt LaVelle showed up at the first day of training camp wearing a jersey with "Johnny DawgPound" taped across the back. It was a bit of refashioning he did prior to May's NFL draft in the hope that Johnny Manziel would be Cleveland's pick.
Manziel was on the field here Saturday, creating the expected frenzy, or "buzz," in the parlance of Johnny Football. Yet the more LaVelle and his friend watched the side-by-side drills featuring not just Johnny, but of the zipping, accurate throws of the actual No. 1 quarterback on the depth chart, Brian Hoyer, something kept sinking in.
Yes, he's a Manziel fan
" but I like what I'm seeing out of Hoyer," LaVelle said of the low-key, local veteran (Cleveland St. Ignatius High School). Hoyer is a Michigan State product that spent three years backing up Tom Brady in New England. When he finally got a chance to start last year for the Browns, he looked good in three games before injuring his knee.
"Class act," owner Jimmy Haslam said of Hoyer. "He handles himself extremely well Is there a better story? He's a hometown kid, coming off of an injury."
Well, other than the first day of the rest of Johnny Manziel's life, no, there wasn't a better story.
Manziel faces a steep climb here and that stark reality was evident all over the place. Or at least should be to Manziel, who must prove he can play on the field while also separating himself from a lifestyle that he unapologetically embraces.
His off-field flair is one reason there were plenty of Manziel No. 2 jerseys among the capacity crowd of 4,000 but they, like the team owner who went out on a limb to draft him, will gladly forget their shiny new sensation in exchange for victories, even ones from dull old Brian Hoyer.
That's why there were plenty of "Hoyer, Hoyer" chants as well.
Meanwhile, Haslam didn't sound all that pleased when discussing Manziel's proclivity for partying, recommending that he model himself after LeBron James or Peyton Manning, who either avoid drinking on inflatable swans at nightclubs and holding rolled up $20 bills in Vegas bathrooms, or at least do it away from camera phones.
"The really great athletes make their news on the field, not off the field," Haslam said.
Has that message sunk in yet?
"We'll see," Haslam said.
Manziel addressed Haslam's comments after practice and left lingering doubts. His speech was part concession of some nebulous mistakes, part brag session about how totally awesome his life is, you know being so popular and talented and all.
"Here's the thing I want to say," Manziel said. "The reason I'm popular, the reason people follow me and there's been such a buzz around me, when I went out on Saturdays at Texas A&M, I played with an extreme amount of passion and I played with my heart on my sleeve.
"But more than anything I had fun. I had fun playing this game, I had fun going on out on this field playing football. That's what I live for, that's what I do.
"The same thing off the field," he continued. "Whether I'm going out and playing golf, whether it's going out and having the nightlife, whatever it is, I'm having fun. That's what my life is. And luckily for me I'm living out my dream of playing in the NFL, having a ton of fun.
"My dream come true and I finally got to have some time to have some downtime and to celebrate that with my family and my friends. This is the greatest life I could've ever imagined for me and I'm loving it." "So will I continue to get better being a professional and learn lessons about life?" Manziel asked. "Of course, I'm 21 years old. Age is not an excuse but I need to mature and I've done some immature things. Moving forward I need to mature and get better and handle myself better as a professional Life's fun. Enjoy it while it's here."
Manziel can live his life anyway he chooses but if he thinks life is short and needs to be embraced, he needs to show he understands life in the NFL is even more precious. Players claim NFL means "Not For Long" for a reason.
Coach Mike Pettine said he will name the Browns starter after the second preseason game, which is Aug. 18, or just over three weeks away. Right now Hoyer is getting the reps with the first team. He'll likely get to start the first two preseason games with them too. He wasn't the guy Pettine had to interrupt his vacation to call about the latest social media partying photo.
"I expect to be the starting quarterback," Hoyer said.
In the end, this isn't going to be some grand morality tale about the dutiful worker against the talented party boy. It's quaint but unimportant. In the NFL it's about winning games and nothing else.
Both quarterbacks have their fans here but nothing creates excitement, buzz or even eventual idolatry like winning.
"All that matters is what happens on the field," Hoyer said. "No one is going to cheer for a good guy if they're 4-12."
"It's not just my name and my number on the back," Manziel said of the cheering fans before pointing to the front of his jersey. "It's Cleveland. It's the Browns."
Manziel talked about the urgency of every snap. He talked about buckling down and working. He talked about getting better each and every session, of plowing through the learning curve of a more complex NFL offense.
He also kept talking about how he's living the dream and should embrace it like a typical 21-year-old, except he isn't a typical 21-year-old and, as such, the dream can vanish quickly.
So he better chuck it for the Browns. He better be damn, damn good. The competition is serious and significant and popularity doesn't mean a thing. Fans can always buy a new jersey.
"It's getting real now," Manziel said.
We'll see, the man signing his checks said. We'll see.
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It amazes me how the media can turn so many people against a person . It amazes me even more knowing of the mass number of vaginas that buy into this crap. So he likes to party and take selfies with beiber queen , BIG FUC*NG DEAL.
BEREA, Ohio Cleveland Browns fan Matt LaVelle showed up at the first day of training camp wearing a jersey with "Johnny DawgPound" taped across the back. It was a bit of refashioning he did prior to May's NFL draft in the hope that Johnny Manziel would be Cleveland's pick.
Manziel was on the field here Saturday, creating the expected frenzy, or "buzz," in the parlance of Johnny Football. Yet the more LaVelle and his friend watched the side-by-side drills featuring not just Johnny, but of the zipping, accurate throws of the actual No. 1 quarterback on the depth chart, Brian Hoyer, something kept sinking in.
Yes, he's a Manziel fan
" but I like what I'm seeing out of Hoyer," LaVelle said of the low-key, local veteran (Cleveland St. Ignatius High School). Hoyer is a Michigan State product that spent three years backing up Tom Brady in New England. When he finally got a chance to start last year for the Browns, he looked good in three games before injuring his knee.
"Class act," owner Jimmy Haslam said of Hoyer. "He handles himself extremely well Is there a better story? He's a hometown kid, coming off of an injury."
Well, other than the first day of the rest of Johnny Manziel's life, no, there wasn't a better story.
Manziel faces a steep climb here and that stark reality was evident all over the place. Or at least should be to Manziel, who must prove he can play on the field while also separating himself from a lifestyle that he unapologetically embraces.
His off-field flair is one reason there were plenty of Manziel No. 2 jerseys among the capacity crowd of 4,000 but they, like the team owner who went out on a limb to draft him, will gladly forget their shiny new sensation in exchange for victories, even ones from dull old Brian Hoyer.
That's why there were plenty of "Hoyer, Hoyer" chants as well.
Meanwhile, Haslam didn't sound all that pleased when discussing Manziel's proclivity for partying, recommending that he model himself after LeBron James or Peyton Manning, who either avoid drinking on inflatable swans at nightclubs and holding rolled up $20 bills in Vegas bathrooms, or at least do it away from camera phones.
"The really great athletes make their news on the field, not off the field," Haslam said.
Has that message sunk in yet?
"We'll see," Haslam said.
Manziel addressed Haslam's comments after practice and left lingering doubts. His speech was part concession of some nebulous mistakes, part brag session about how totally awesome his life is, you know being so popular and talented and all.
"Here's the thing I want to say," Manziel said. "The reason I'm popular, the reason people follow me and there's been such a buzz around me, when I went out on Saturdays at Texas A&M, I played with an extreme amount of passion and I played with my heart on my sleeve.
"But more than anything I had fun. I had fun playing this game, I had fun going on out on this field playing football. That's what I live for, that's what I do.
"The same thing off the field," he continued. "Whether I'm going out and playing golf, whether it's going out and having the nightlife, whatever it is, I'm having fun. That's what my life is. And luckily for me I'm living out my dream of playing in the NFL, having a ton of fun.
"My dream come true and I finally got to have some time to have some downtime and to celebrate that with my family and my friends. This is the greatest life I could've ever imagined for me and I'm loving it." "So will I continue to get better being a professional and learn lessons about life?" Manziel asked. "Of course, I'm 21 years old. Age is not an excuse but I need to mature and I've done some immature things. Moving forward I need to mature and get better and handle myself better as a professional Life's fun. Enjoy it while it's here."
Manziel can live his life anyway he chooses but if he thinks life is short and needs to be embraced, he needs to show he understands life in the NFL is even more precious. Players claim NFL means "Not For Long" for a reason.
Coach Mike Pettine said he will name the Browns starter after the second preseason game, which is Aug. 18, or just over three weeks away. Right now Hoyer is getting the reps with the first team. He'll likely get to start the first two preseason games with them too. He wasn't the guy Pettine had to interrupt his vacation to call about the latest social media partying photo.
"I expect to be the starting quarterback," Hoyer said.
In the end, this isn't going to be some grand morality tale about the dutiful worker against the talented party boy. It's quaint but unimportant. In the NFL it's about winning games and nothing else.
Both quarterbacks have their fans here but nothing creates excitement, buzz or even eventual idolatry like winning.
"All that matters is what happens on the field," Hoyer said. "No one is going to cheer for a good guy if they're 4-12."
"It's not just my name and my number on the back," Manziel said of the cheering fans before pointing to the front of his jersey. "It's Cleveland. It's the Browns."
Manziel talked about the urgency of every snap. He talked about buckling down and working. He talked about getting better each and every session, of plowing through the learning curve of a more complex NFL offense.
He also kept talking about how he's living the dream and should embrace it like a typical 21-year-old, except he isn't a typical 21-year-old and, as such, the dream can vanish quickly.
So he better chuck it for the Browns. He better be damn, damn good. The competition is serious and significant and popularity doesn't mean a thing. Fans can always buy a new jersey.
"It's getting real now," Manziel said.
We'll see, the man signing his checks said. We'll see.
It amazes me how the media can turn so many people against a person . It amazes me even more knowing of the mass number of vaginas that buy into this crap. So he likes to party and take selfies with beiber queen , BIG FUC*NG DEAL.
The guy signing his paychecks happens to think it is a big f**king deal. Sorry about that. I really don't care anymore if he parties in the off season- but as Joe Haden said, have your pals turn the cell phones off.
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According to one of the Pittsburgh scouts the Steelers (although they won't say it publicly) are expecting Manziel to be under center for the season opener.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
The attitude we as Brown's fans must have:
In Hoyer we trust and bestow upon the present....
In Manziel we hope and believe in for the future (and pray to God he either stops blowing coke period or at the very least does it in PRIVACY away from camera phones all to willing to capture his rolled up twenty dollar bill)
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According to one of the Pittsburgh scouts the Steelers (although they won't say it publicly) are expecting Manziel to be under center for the season opener.
According to one of the Pittsburgh scouts the Steelers (although they won't say it publicly) are expecting Manziel to be under center for the season opener.
That may well be. As a Browns fan, I'm hoping it isn't the case. I have to root for the hometown kid to get a legit shot. JF will have to blow the coaching staff away (or Brian get hurt again) in the preseason and training camp to become the starter. BTW, I didn't notice it, but Tour did- if you watch the side by side training camp footage, Hoyer was indeed unloading the ball significantly faster than Manziel. Plus for kicks and giggles tonight I rewatched the first day of the draft before I deleted it off my DVR. Shit and hells bells, there it was again- what really concerned me about Manziel before we drafted him- some A&M footage where he has guys wide open on their initial routes- didn't see them & then scrambles around like a nut until someone DID break wide open. He's not going to have that luxury in the NFL. Forgot who said it today regarding Johnny. College windows become portholes in the NFL. And regarding his scrambling- in the preseason opener, if he's lucky enough to get some snaps against the Lion's first team defense- I'm sure Suh and Fairley are just dying to meet ya- if you get my drift.
We've said a lot on this board "In ______________ I trust", and been dead wrong. BUT I really believe Pettine is going to put the guy he thinks has the best chance of winning games out there against the Steelers in the opener.
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Now your digging up trash from over 1 year ago. Get a life homer.
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Yea. Social gossip and clothes; this board be filled with estrogen.
Gee, like, I really want the hometown boy to get a legit shot, tom Brady was around him.
Look in the mirror, ladies.
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He actually has a point but yeah fuck Texas.
fuck him. social gossip as in talking on a forum or social media as in JF putting all his escapades on instagram? who orchestrated all that? it sure as hell wasn't anyone on here.
clothes? you're lucky this isn't a uni thread, wait until you see those.
so if some JF fanboy wants to come in here and start throwing names around the only lady i can see in here are the girls that want to jump manziel bone. go right ahead txdawg, come get your bone.
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He actually has a point but yeah fuck Texas.
fuck him. social gossip as in talking on a forum or social media as in JF putting all his escapades on instagram? who orchestrated all that? it sure as hell wasn't anyone on here.
clothes? you're lucky this isn't a uni thread, wait until you see those.
so if some JF fanboy wants to come in here and start throwing names around the only lady i can see in here are the girls that want to jump manziel bone. go right ahead txdawg, come get your bone.
fuck him. social gossip as in talking on a forum or social media as in JF putting all his escapades on instagram? who orchestrated all that? it sure as hell wasn't anyone on here.
clothes? you're lucky this isn't a uni thread, wait until you see those.
so if some JF fanboy wants to come in here and start throwing names around the only lady i can see in here are the girls that want to jump manziel bone. go right ahead txdawg, come get your bone.
Now that's having a point.
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this is an 8-8,9-7 team with Hoyer playing competent. The rest of the pieces are in place (besides WR) and its time to have a consistent qb for a consistent period of time.
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It amazes me how the media can turn so many people against a person . It amazes me even more knowing of the mass number of vaginas that buy into this crap. So he likes to party and take selfies with beiber queen , BIG FUC*NG DEAL.
BEREA, Ohio Cleveland Browns fan Matt LaVelle showed up at the first day of training camp wearing a jersey with "Johnny DawgPound" taped across the back. It was a bit of refashioning he did prior to May's NFL draft in the hope that Johnny Manziel would be Cleveland's pick.
Manziel was on the field here Saturday, creating the expected frenzy, or "buzz," in the parlance of Johnny Football. Yet the more LaVelle and his friend watched the side-by-side drills featuring not just Johnny, but of the zipping, accurate throws of the actual No. 1 quarterback on the depth chart, Brian Hoyer, something kept sinking in.
Yes, he's a Manziel fan
" but I like what I'm seeing out of Hoyer," LaVelle said of the low-key, local veteran (Cleveland St. Ignatius High School). Hoyer is a Michigan State product that spent three years backing up Tom Brady in New England. When he finally got a chance to start last year for the Browns, he looked good in three games before injuring his knee.
"Class act," owner Jimmy Haslam said of Hoyer. "He handles himself extremely well Is there a better story? He's a hometown kid, coming off of an injury."
Well, other than the first day of the rest of Johnny Manziel's life, no, there wasn't a better story.
Manziel faces a steep climb here and that stark reality was evident all over the place. Or at least should be to Manziel, who must prove he can play on the field while also separating himself from a lifestyle that he unapologetically embraces.
His off-field flair is one reason there were plenty of Manziel No. 2 jerseys among the capacity crowd of 4,000 but they, like the team owner who went out on a limb to draft him, will gladly forget their shiny new sensation in exchange for victories, even ones from dull old Brian Hoyer.
That's why there were plenty of "Hoyer, Hoyer" chants as well.
Meanwhile, Haslam didn't sound all that pleased when discussing Manziel's proclivity for partying, recommending that he model himself after LeBron James or Peyton Manning, who either avoid drinking on inflatable swans at nightclubs and holding rolled up $20 bills in Vegas bathrooms, or at least do it away from camera phones.
"The really great athletes make their news on the field, not off the field," Haslam said.
Has that message sunk in yet?
"We'll see," Haslam said.
Manziel addressed Haslam's comments after practice and left lingering doubts. His speech was part concession of some nebulous mistakes, part brag session about how totally awesome his life is, you know being so popular and talented and all.
"Here's the thing I want to say," Manziel said. "The reason I'm popular, the reason people follow me and there's been such a buzz around me, when I went out on Saturdays at Texas A&M, I played with an extreme amount of passion and I played with my heart on my sleeve.
"But more than anything I had fun. I had fun playing this game, I had fun going on out on this field playing football. That's what I live for, that's what I do.
"The same thing off the field," he continued. "Whether I'm going out and playing golf, whether it's going out and having the nightlife, whatever it is, I'm having fun. That's what my life is. And luckily for me I'm living out my dream of playing in the NFL, having a ton of fun.
"My dream come true and I finally got to have some time to have some downtime and to celebrate that with my family and my friends. This is the greatest life I could've ever imagined for me and I'm loving it." "So will I continue to get better being a professional and learn lessons about life?" Manziel asked. "Of course, I'm 21 years old. Age is not an excuse but I need to mature and I've done some immature things. Moving forward I need to mature and get better and handle myself better as a professional Life's fun. Enjoy it while it's here."
Manziel can live his life anyway he chooses but if he thinks life is short and needs to be embraced, he needs to show he understands life in the NFL is even more precious. Players claim NFL means "Not For Long" for a reason.
Coach Mike Pettine said he will name the Browns starter after the second preseason game, which is Aug. 18, or just over three weeks away. Right now Hoyer is getting the reps with the first team. He'll likely get to start the first two preseason games with them too. He wasn't the guy Pettine had to interrupt his vacation to call about the latest social media partying photo.
"I expect to be the starting quarterback," Hoyer said.
In the end, this isn't going to be some grand morality tale about the dutiful worker against the talented party boy. It's quaint but unimportant. In the NFL it's about winning games and nothing else.
Both quarterbacks have their fans here but nothing creates excitement, buzz or even eventual idolatry like winning.
"All that matters is what happens on the field," Hoyer said. "No one is going to cheer for a good guy if they're 4-12."
"It's not just my name and my number on the back," Manziel said of the cheering fans before pointing to the front of his jersey. "It's Cleveland. It's the Browns."
Manziel talked about the urgency of every snap. He talked about buckling down and working. He talked about getting better each and every session, of plowing through the learning curve of a more complex NFL offense.
He also kept talking about how he's living the dream and should embrace it like a typical 21-year-old, except he isn't a typical 21-year-old and, as such, the dream can vanish quickly.
So he better chuck it for the Browns. He better be damn, damn good. The competition is serious and significant and popularity doesn't mean a thing. Fans can always buy a new jersey.
"It's getting real now," Manziel said.
We'll see, the man signing his checks said. We'll see.
@mike-h said:
How are you this bad at life?
Don't you get tired of being wrong?
It amazes me how the media can turn so many people against a person . It amazes me even more knowing of the mass number of vaginas that buy into this crap. So he likes to party and take selfies with beiber queen , BIG FUC*NG DEAL.
It's the difference between being a fan of the Browns and being a fan of a player.
According to one of the Pittsburgh scouts the Steelers (although they won't say it publicly) are expecting Manziel to be under center for the season opener.
Of course he won't say it publically... when you're wrong it's best not to broadcast it.
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@everlastingxxx said:
When i watch video, it looks like Hoyer is quicker planting and throw than Manziel. Even on the WR quick throws he is fast.
Also, It seems like they are becoming friends or at least becoming friendly with each other. Which is good because Hoyer is a pro and can teach Johnny how to be one. Ill be honest, the more i hear Hoyer speak and play the more i like him. I just dont see him as having a big upside.
I won't go gushing about Hoyer- and you're probably right he's not going to get much better. Like I said- insufficient data to properly evaluate.
TXDawg is entitled to his opinion, so he loves JF because he saw him play- in Texas. Same thing here, Cleveland fans love it and pull for the local kid to make good. Sometimes it works out- Bernie Kosar. Sometimes it doesn't- Charlie Frye.
It was truly heartbreaking to see Le Charles Bentley (went to the same High School as Hoyer) blow out his knee and have his career ended the first day of Browns training camp.
Incidentally, Donte Whitner is another Cleveland guy.
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According to one of the Pittsburgh scouts the Steelers (although they won't say it publicly) are expecting Manziel to be under center for the season opener.
That may well be. As a Browns fan, I'm hoping it isn't the case. I have to root for the hometown kid to get a legit shot. JF will have to blow the coaching staff away (or Brian get hurt again) in the preseason and training camp to become the starter. BTW, I didn't notice it, but Tour did- if you watch the side by side training camp footage, Hoyer was indeed unloading the ball significantly faster than Manziel. Plus for kicks and giggles tonight I rewatched the first day of the draft before I deleted it off my DVR. Shit and hells bells, there it was again- what really concerned me about Manziel before we drafted him- some A&M footage where he has guys wide open on their initial routes- didn't see them & then scrambles around like a nut until someone DID break wide open. He's not going to have that luxury in the NFL. Forgot who said it today regarding Johnny. College windows become portholes in the NFL. And regarding his scrambling- in the preseason opener, if he's lucky enough to get some snaps against the Lion's first team defense- I'm sure Suh and Fairley are just dying to meet ya- if you get my drift.
We've said a lot on this board "In ______________ I trust", and been dead wrong. BUT I really believe Pettine is going to put the guy he thinks has the best chance of winning games out there against the Steelers in the opener.
BTW, I didn't notice it, but Tour did- if you watch the side by side training camp footage, Hoyer was indeed unloading the ball significantly faster than Manziel.
Aw shucks tweren't nuttin'...
Finally heard one of the talking heads on NFL Network comment on it today. Of course it had to be Solomon Wilcots...
I've been puzzling over what the observation means. Since I do not believe that Hoyer is quicker than Manziel, I can only conclude that JM is not working as hard and/or taking the drill as seriously.
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nfl network has been really pissing me off lately. on one hand they are quick to tear into manziel after his first press conf. of TC on friday, yet they replayed his interview like 5 times just to have everyone possible chime in either pro or negative.
so taoday they start off with how the QB competition in cleveland is going (3rd day?) and it's all pro hoyer and manziel came out and said some good things on sat. nite etc. etc. then they go to their QB competition footage and up on the big screen behind 2 doofuss analysts/ex-jocks have a pic of hoyer in a throwing pose and manziel in a pose....both wearing number 2. and what they were talking about in a QB competition soon becam a manziel highlight reel with nothing of hoyer.
so they can suck a nut too.
yeah txdawg can have his opinion, i just don't take too kindly to someone calling me a woman, especially from some drag queen butch from the worst state in the union.
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Hoyer will start and rightfully so, let Johnny get a year of NFL learning and playbook under his belt.
If Hoyer flops, you play Johnny.
I just hope when the Bills pick and someone like Winston, Hundley, and Mariota are there and we get a massive amount of picks for them.
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