Josh Gordon Troubles
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If you know that you are on probation for drugs its fucking stupid grasshopper.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Another story hit the wires :
Amazed that he has taken and passed 70 tests since he's been a stage 3.
Wondering how (and why) all this supposedly confidential info is flowing out now.
Also was wondering about reproducibility of split sample testing and per a reference google found the A and B samples may not even have been run the same way. The A is usually run using an immunoassay analyzer, and if positive, then the B is run using GC mass-spec. Reads like a cost saving protocol and if so, then I'd think the GC Mass-spec result would be the more reliable.
Also wondered about transfer thru smoke vs. say transfer thru saliva, e.g., your date is toking and then you do a little tongue wrestling shortly thereafter...
Maybe New23 or other can comment...
Amazed that he has taken and passed 70 tests since he's been a stage 3.
Wondering how (and why) all this supposedly confidential info is flowing out now.
Also was wondering about reproducibility of split sample testing and per a reference google found the A and B samples may not even have been run the same way. The A is usually run using an immunoassay analyzer, and if positive, then the B is run using GC mass-spec. Reads like a cost saving protocol and if so, then I'd think the GC Mass-spec result would be the more reliable.
Also wondered about transfer thru smoke vs. say transfer thru saliva, e.g., your date is toking and then you do a little tongue wrestling shortly thereafter...
Maybe New23 or other can comment...
Its not hard to understand how and why this news is leaking out. His agent or lawyer leaked it and for good reason. For the most part, the public parception of the NFL in regards to how they have handled Jim Irsay and Ray Rice is very negative. Irsay was in a situation, where if he were a player, he would have been suspended for a ful season. But he recieved an 8 game ban for the team and by comparision was only fined a small fraction of what he will still make during the season. Ray Rice physically struck his wife so hard that he knocked her unconsious, and was only suspended for 2 games. By comparison Gordon looks like a god damn saint. They just leaked the truth of what is really happening, which goes against how the original leak before the draft made him seem like an uncaring pot head. They just made it so that if the NFL goes through with a 1 year ban, they look even worse that what they already do. In light of the evidense they would even look bad if he recieved a suspension at all for the failed test.
Now in regards to Gordon or anyone else getting in trouble for this information leaking, it is not going to happen. The NFL might not like that this leaked out, but they are not going to investigate who said what, because then they would come up as hypocrits for not finding out and punishing whoever leaked the failed drug test during night two of the draft.
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Fact of the matter is that he needs to keep better company. He needs some sort of life coach to set him straight. He still obviously has some bad influenses in his life if he thinks hanging around with people who are smoking pot, and going places where pot is being smoked is a good idea. I'm not even saying that he needs to cut people out of his life because they smoke, but rather tell him to keep the shit away from him or GTFO.
However this just about proves that he hasn't been smoking pot, but has just bee around those who are. Considering that the NFL claims that they don't and will not suspend players for second hand smoke, I don't see how the league can justify suspending him at all. Plus considering that his DUI doesn't fall under the drug policy, but rather the player conduct policy, and also considering that first time DUI offenders do NOT recieve suspensions, he by all accounts should be playing week 1. However I see that NFL following the letter of the law, or not the letter of the law, and in either case he will see a suspension. If they follow their rules to the letter, he will be out for 1 year and then lose his first two weeks pay when he comes back for his DUI. If they say we want to disipline you according to how the drug policy WILL look like after the union agrees to HGH testing, he likely won't be suspended at all for the pot, but will see a suspension for 1-2 games as a first time DUI offender.
Fact of the matter is that he needs to keep better company. He needs some sort of life coach to set him straight. He still obviously has some bad influenses in his life if he thinks hanging around with people who are smoking pot, and going places where pot is being smoked is a good idea. I'm not even saying that he needs to cut people out of his life because they smoke, but rather tell him to keep the shit away from him or GTFO.
However this just about proves that he hasn't been smoking pot, but has just bee around those who are. Considering that the NFL claims that they don't and will not suspend players for second hand smoke, I don't see how the league can justify suspending him at all. Plus considering that his DUI doesn't fall under the drug policy, but rather the player conduct policy, and also considering that first time DUI offenders do NOT recieve suspensions, he by all accounts should be playing week 1. However I see that NFL following the letter of the law, or not the letter of the law, and in either case he will see a suspension. If they follow their rules to the letter, he will be out for 1 year and then lose his first two weeks pay when he comes back for his DUI. If they say we want to disipline you according to how the drug policy WILL look like after the union agrees to HGH testing, he likely won't be suspended at all for the pot, but will see a suspension for 1-2 games as a first time DUI offender.
Not trying to defend Gordon here on the DUI, but he was a .09, which is .01 above the ..08 limit.
Here we have yet another borderline level, and indications are that this will be dropped to Reckless Operation as it's within error range of the Breathalyzer from what I've read.
If this happens (Reckless Op), then it's pretty much out of the Leagues jurisdiction from what I understand.
The guy may just have gotten a lucky break on both fronts, but we won't know until Friday.
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Why is it so awful to hang out around those that smoke weed? How is that any different than those that drink?
Why is it so awful to hang out around those that smoke weed? How is that any different than those that drink?
I don't personally think it is stupid for most people, but you have to consider what your jobs drug policy is. If you play any other sport in this country, his test would have been a negative. So for people who play those sports it isn't really that dumb to hang out with your pot head friend. In a league where the failure margin is so low, it is stupid to hang around with your pot head friend when he is smoking. All his friends have to do is not smoke around him and if they can't do that then they obviously don't care about Josh and he shouldn't be around them.
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If you know that you are on probation for drugs its fucking stupid grasshopper.
If you know that you are on probation for drugs its fucking stupid grasshopper.
I wouldn't expect him to completely avoid all of his friends over the offseason.
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Why is it so awful to hang out around those that smoke weed? How is that any different than those that drink?
I don't personally think it is stupid for most people, but you have to consider what your jobs drug policy is. If you play any other sport in this country, his test would have been a negative. So for people who play those sports it isn't really that dumb to hang out with your pot head friend. In a league where the failure margin is so low, it is stupid to hang around with your pot head friend when he is smoking. All his friends have to do is not smoke around him and if they can't do that then they obviously don't care about Josh and he shouldn't be around them.
I don't personally think it is stupid for most people, but you have to consider what your jobs drug policy is. If you play any other sport in this country, his test would have been a negative. So for people who play those sports it isn't really that dumb to hang out with your pot head friend. In a league where the failure margin is so low, it is stupid to hang around with your pot head friend when he is smoking. All his friends have to do is not smoke around him and if they can't do that then they obviously don't care about Josh and he shouldn't be around them.
Was he even aware second hand exposure could result in a negative test result?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Fact of the matter is that he needs to keep better company. He needs some sort of life coach to set him straight. He still obviously has some bad influenses in his life if he thinks hanging around with people who are smoking pot, and going places where pot is being smoked is a good idea. I'm not even saying that he needs to cut people out of his life because they smoke, but rather tell him to keep the shit away from him or GTFO.
However this just about proves that he hasn't been smoking pot, but has just bee around those who are. Considering that the NFL claims that they don't and will not suspend players for second hand smoke, I don't see how the league can justify suspending him at all. Plus considering that his DUI doesn't fall under the drug policy, but rather the player conduct policy, and also considering that first time DUI offenders do NOT recieve suspensions, he by all accounts should be playing week 1. However I see that NFL following the letter of the law, or not the letter of the law, and in either case he will see a suspension. If they follow their rules to the letter, he will be out for 1 year and then lose his first two weeks pay when he comes back for his DUI. If they say we want to disipline you according to how the drug policy WILL look like after the union agrees to HGH testing, he likely won't be suspended at all for the pot, but will see a suspension for 1-2 games as a first time DUI offender.
Not trying to defend Gordon here on the DUI, but he was a .09, which is .01 above the ..08 limit.
Here we have yet another borderline level, and indications are that this will be dropped to Reckless Operation as it's within error range of the Breathalyzer from what I've read.
If this happens (Reckless Op), then it's pretty much out of the Leagues jurisdiction from what I understand.
The guy may just have gotten a lucky break on both fronts, but we won't know until Friday.
Not trying to defend Gordon here on the DUI, but he was a .09, which is .01 above the ..08 limit.
Here we have yet another borderline level, and indications are that this will be dropped to Reckless Operation as it's within error range of the Breathalyzer from what I've read.
If this happens (Reckless Op), then it's pretty much out of the Leagues jurisdiction from what I understand.
The guy may just have gotten a lucky break on both fronts, but we won't know until Friday.
I know and I agree. It's an instance where someone thought they were perfectly ok to drive and it turns out to not be the case. Alot of people make that honest mistake. It's not like he was recklessly driving while clearly intoxicated. However getting a DUI is more cut and dry that testing for pot. Even if the charge gets lowered to a reckless op, it is still on your record that you were charged with a DUI and as long as your employer knows that you were charged with a DUI they can punish you according to their own set of rules.
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I don't personally think it is stupid for most people, but you have to consider what your jobs drug policy is. If you play any other sport in this country, his test would have been a negative. So for people who play those sports it isn't really that dumb to hang out with your pot head friend. In a league where the failure margin is so low, it is stupid to hang around with your pot head friend when he is smoking. All his friends have to do is not smoke around him and if they can't do that then they obviously don't care about Josh and he shouldn't be around them.
Was he even aware second hand exposure could result in a negative test result?
Was he even aware second hand exposure could result in a negative test result?
I wasn't, but according to ESPN it is, especially at the levels the NFL uses.
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Since he lawyerd up with one of the best, I see a 6 game ban. He had 70 tests done since his positive result, and these a and b samples were different from each other. So if they give a Ray Rice 2 games for knocking out a woman, maybe Gordon will get less then a year for a positive test.
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I don't personally think it is stupid for most people, but you have to consider what your jobs drug policy is. If you play any other sport in this country, his test would have been a negative. So for people who play those sports it isn't really that dumb to hang out with your pot head friend. In a league where the failure margin is so low, it is stupid to hang around with your pot head friend when he is smoking. All his friends have to do is not smoke around him and if they can't do that then they obviously don't care about Josh and he shouldn't be around them.
Was he even aware second hand exposure could result in a negative test result?
Was he even aware second hand exposure could result in a negative test result?
I think you mean positive test result, and he should have known. It is his job to know. Last year he agreed to be put into level 3 in order to get his suspension lowered to 2 games. He knew he was going to be tested 10 times a month. He should have known and that is on his shoulders.
Hell I don't get drug tested for work, but I know that second hand smoke from pot could register on a test. Same goes for nicotine by the way.
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Like they say, if you are under a microscope, why the hell would you even get close to anyone smoking dope? Stupid.
Like they say, if you are under a microscope, why the hell would you even get close to anyone smoking dope? Stupid.
exactly. after the codeine slap on the wrist Josh should have equated the dangers of any type of party affiliation akin to having sex with someone w Aids. most would say "i don't need sex that bad". addicts think it's worth the risk and put a condom on and cross their fingers...and hope.
i apologize for my insensitive post towards Aids, HIV, and any and all terminal diseases std or not. i would have preferred to swap out the example but nothing with as much "punch" came to mind. again, apologies to any collaterally damaged feelings.
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Since he lawyerd up with one of the best, I see a 6 game ban. He had 70 tests done since his positive result, and these a and b samples were different from each other. So if they give a Ray Rice 2 games for knocking out a woman, maybe Gordon will get less then a year for a positive test.
Since he lawyerd up with one of the best, I see a 6 game ban. He had 70 tests done since his positive result, and these a and b samples were different from each other. So if they give a Ray Rice 2 games for knocking out a woman, maybe Gordon will get less then a year for a positive test.
The thing is though, if what's stated here really is the Case, then Gordon is innocent and shouldn't get anything - not even a fine.
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Was he even aware second hand exposure could result in a negative test result?
I think you mean positive test result, and he should have known. It is his job to know. Last year he agreed to be put into level 3 in order to get his suspension lowered to 2 games. He knew he was going to be tested 10 times a month. He should have known and that is on his shoulders.
Hell I don't get drug tested for work, but I know that second hand smoke from pot could register on a test. Same goes for nicotine by the way.
I think you mean positive test result, and he should have known. It is his job to know. Last year he agreed to be put into level 3 in order to get his suspension lowered to 2 games. He knew he was going to be tested 10 times a month. He should have known and that is on his shoulders.
Hell I don't get drug tested for work, but I know that second hand smoke from pot could register on a test. Same goes for nicotine by the way.
In the Military, they told us you couldn't trip the test for second hand smoke.
Of course that was many many moons ago, and I don't know what level of testing/how accurate they were way back in the Stone Age.
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Why is it so awful to hang out around those that smoke weed? How is that any different than those that drink?
Why is it so awful to hang out around those that smoke weed? How is that any different than those that drink?
cuz he can get a false positive that way. cuz the NFL's tolerance measurements are so low it's ridiculous.
and it's not like that for alcohol.
i backed him all the way nonstop until the 0.09 bac. that was it w being mr nice guy.
it's bullshit people. he was a huge part of our season. billion dollar franchise...you just can't fuck up like that taking risks "associating" nearby people shotgunning blunts getting blazed.
kiss his ass if u like. not me i'm not blinded by his talent enough to ignore his lack of accountability.
at the minimum it's entitlement bullshit.
**edited due to racial stereotype associated with false positives on UAs
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Since he lawyerd up with one of the best, I see a 6 game ban. He had 70 tests done since his positive result, and these a and b samples were different from each other. So if they give a Ray Rice 2 games for knocking out a woman, maybe Gordon will get less then a year for a positive test.
The thing is though, if what's stated here really is the Case, then Gordon is innocent and shouldn't get anything - not even a fine.
The thing is though, if what's stated here really is the Case, then Gordon is innocent and shouldn't get anything - not even a fine.
We all know he is not completely innocent with being pulled over 2 times with one the guy with him had weed, and the other he was arrested. If they factor that in, then he may get something. They are going to tell him, if you make us look like asses again, you are banned for 2 years.
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The thing is though, if what's stated here really is the Case, then Gordon is innocent and shouldn't get anything - not even a fine.
We all know he is not completely innocent with being pulled over 2 times with one the guy with him had weed, and the other he was arrested. If they factor that in, then he may get something. They are going to tell him, if you make us look like asses again, you are banned for 2 years.
We all know he is not completely innocent with being pulled over 2 times with one the guy with him had weed, and the other he was arrested. If they factor that in, then he may get something. They are going to tell him, if you make us look like asses again, you are banned for 2 years.
I meant innocent in regards to ths failed test.
Already said he shouldn't have been driving (not in so many words) and that he needs to redirect his behavior.
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Fact of the matter is that he needs to keep better company. He needs some sort of life coach to set him straight. He still obviously has some bad influenses in his life if he thinks hanging around with people who are smoking pot, and going places where pot is being smoked is a good idea. I'm not even saying that he needs to cut people out of his life because they smoke, but rather tell him to keep the shit away from him or GTFO.
However this just about proves that he hasn't been smoking pot, but has just bee around those who are. Considering that the NFL claims that they don't and will not suspend players for second hand smoke, I don't see how the league can justify suspending him at all. Plus considering that his DUI doesn't fall under the drug policy, but rather the player conduct policy, and also considering that first time DUI offenders do NOT recieve suspensions, he by all accounts should be playing week 1. However I see that NFL following the letter of the law, or not the letter of the law, and in either case he will see a suspension. If they follow their rules to the letter, he will be out for 1 year and then lose his first two weeks pay when he comes back for his DUI. If they say we want to disipline you according to how the drug policy WILL look like after the union agrees to HGH testing, he likely won't be suspended at all for the pot, but will see a suspension for 1-2 games as a first time DUI offender.
Fact of the matter is that he needs to keep better company. He needs some sort of life coach to set him straight. He still obviously has some bad influenses in his life if he thinks hanging around with people who are smoking pot, and going places where pot is being smoked is a good idea. I'm not even saying that he needs to cut people out of his life because they smoke, but rather tell him to keep the shit away from him or GTFO.
However this just about proves that he hasn't been smoking pot, but has just bee around those who are. Considering that the NFL claims that they don't and will not suspend players for second hand smoke, I don't see how the league can justify suspending him at all. Plus considering that his DUI doesn't fall under the drug policy, but rather the player conduct policy, and also considering that first time DUI offenders do NOT recieve suspensions, he by all accounts should be playing week 1. However I see that NFL following the letter of the law, or not the letter of the law, and in either case he will see a suspension. If they follow their rules to the letter, he will be out for 1 year and then lose his first two weeks pay when he comes back for his DUI. If they say we want to disipline you according to how the drug policy WILL look like after the union agrees to HGH testing, he likely won't be suspended at all for the pot, but will see a suspension for 1-2 games as a first time DUI offender.
disagree. they are supposed to get at least 24 hrs notice before testing and nearly all the cleansing products like clear choice etc hold it in ur body for like a 4 or 5 hour window. you don't smoke for at least a day (the longer the better) and then you drink that shit, then wait one hour, then the next 4-6 hrs ur piss is clean. or at least all but trace amounts. it's stored in the fat, and these guys fat percentage is almost nil.
it seems to me much of the league smokes, and year round. that's why the testing is the way it is. 24hrs notice? ha! and urine? lmao!
they don't WANT to catch these guys. only fuckups can't get around these very infrequent tests...as in "repeat offenders" who get tested all the time.
why do you suppose they don't just take a blood sample from everyone?
or even easier...hair?
possible they let the guys who aren't a problem slip thru the cracks. and the guys pushing it and taking it to the line? attracting attention? you get attention. they are the one's who seem to get caught up.
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We all know he is not completely innocent with being pulled over 2 times with one the guy with him had weed, and the other he was arrested. If they factor that in, then he may get something. They are going to tell him, if you make us look like asses again, you are banned for 2 years.
I meant innocent in regards to ths failed test.
Already said he shouldn't have been driving (not in so many words) and that he needs to redirect his behavior.
I meant innocent in regards to ths failed test.
Already said he shouldn't have been driving (not in so many words) and that he needs to redirect his behavior.
Gotcha, He is a grown man and knows what he needs to do. I am in the military, and if I put myself in a position where I am around second hand smoke and tested positive, I would be out in a heart beat. If I would say it was second hand smoke, they would say, you know better then that, and give me my walking papers after 12 hard years.
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I don't personally think it is stupid for most people, but you have to consider what your jobs drug policy is. If you play any other sport in this country, his test would have been a negative. So for people who play those sports it isn't really that dumb to hang out with your pot head friend. In a league where the failure margin is so low, it is stupid to hang around with your pot head friend when he is smoking. All his friends have to do is not smoke around him and if they can't do that then they obviously don't care about Josh and he shouldn't be around them.
Was he even aware second hand exposure could result in a negative test result?
Was he even aware second hand exposure could result in a negative test result?
do you mean positive?
ignorance is not a viable defense MLD. not when ur in his position.
and if he wasn't made aware, he should fire his agent immediately.
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I think you mean positive test result, and he should have known. It is his job to know. Last year he agreed to be put into level 3 in order to get his suspension lowered to 2 games. He knew he was going to be tested 10 times a month. He should have known and that is on his shoulders.
Hell I don't get drug tested for work, but I know that second hand smoke from pot could register on a test. Same goes for nicotine by the way.
In the Military, they told us you couldn't trip the test for second hand smoke.
Of course that was many many moons ago, and I don't know what level of testing/how accurate they were way back in the Stone Age.
In the Military, they told us you couldn't trip the test for second hand smoke.
Of course that was many many moons ago, and I don't know what level of testing/how accurate they were way back in the Stone Age.
Well the NFL says they won't suspend anyone for second hand smoke either... but with how low the thresh hold is set it would seem rather easy to test positive for it.
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