Jonathan Paul Manziel
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All hes doing is betting against Manziel, which isn't a stretch. Hoyer isnt the long term guy in any scenario and he knows that. So if he doesn't think Johnny will translate to the NFL then its an easy call to say Browns will need another QB soon.
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Nooooo! None of this, screw that guy!
I still worry it'll take longer that TC for the offense to start melting faces as a unit, but none of this "they all suck" shit.
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For all the good words out of Camp about Hoyer, not much is about his actual play. They said he looked sharp on day 2, heard he looked bad today. Joe Thomas said he's like Tom Brady but then later commented that if it looked like the first team defense was destroying the first team offense so far in camp, its because they have been.
So how great could Hoyer have looked if the defense is destroying the offense so far.
Several reports would indicate that if you watched today's practice, you wouldn't think there's a NFL starter on the team. -
If they both suck then just kill me now plz. To early to scream for Mariota?
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I think it's quite obvious that Hoyer will be the starter.
Johnny is in no hurry, he only played 2 years in college and could sit for a year or two to get caught up.
Johnny is only 21 years old and still has a huge learning curve ahead of him.
The preseason is going to be crucial for Manziel because the starters in preseason play fairly soft.
It's the 2nd and 3rd team guys fighting for roster spots and starting time who bust their fucking asses and Manziel will see a lot of that.
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After FOUR days in Training Camp that is a stupid ass comment to make. The guy is fresh out of college for petes sake.
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Johnny Football Fanboy caught on video defending his idol:
You're mocking the 1st round draft pick of your team. The future starting QB, before he even comes close to playing in a game.
Honestly, what kind of fan is this?
Shouldn't we all be Johnny Manziel fans? Why would a Browns fan ever be mocking Manziel?
This is total insanity.
You're mocking the 1st round draft pick of your team. The future starting QB, before he even comes close to playing in a game.
Honestly, what kind of fan is this?
Shouldn't we all be Johnny Manziel fans? Why would a Browns fan ever be mocking Manziel?
This is total insanity.
I think I've made it pretty clear I didn't particularity like Manziel befroe the draft, I didn't care for his off-season partying either. But really- you're right- it would be insane to root for yet another first round draft choice of the Browns to bust. That doesn't mean I have to go gushing over every great play he makes. I still don't like all the focus on the QB battle- there's plenty of other positions to be sorted out I happen to be interested in.
And you didn't answer Tour- you have the Browns at 8-8 at best with Hoyer, so what's your bold prediction if JF starts all 16 games?
I think it's quite obvious that Hoyer will be the starter.
Johnny is in no hurry, he only played 2 years in college and could sit for a year or two to get caught up.
Johnny is only 21 years old and still has a huge learning curve ahead of him.
The preseason is going to be crucial for Manziel because the starters in preseason play fairly soft.
It's the 2nd and 3rd team guys fighting for roster spots and starting time who bust their fucking asses and Manziel will see a lot of that.
I just think it will be good for JF to sit and watch for awhile. Our departed Shepster did have one interesting stat- there's a fairly high correlation between how many starts a quarterback had in college, and his ultimate success in the NFL. Doesn't always work- Colt McCoy started all 4 years. But only 2 out of the top 17 in yards last year weren't 4 year starters.
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All hes doing is betting against Manziel, which isn't a stretch. Hoyer isnt the long term guy in any scenario and he knows that. So if he doesn't think Johnny will translate to the NFL then its an easy call to say Browns will need another QB soon.
All hes doing is betting against Manziel, which isn't a stretch. Hoyer isnt the long term guy in any scenario and he knows that. So if he doesn't think Johnny will translate to the NFL then its an easy call to say Browns will need another QB soon.
For all the good words out of Camp about Hoyer, not much is about his actual play. They said he looked sharp on day 2, heard he looked bad today. Joe Thomas said he's like Tom Brady but then later commented that if it looked like the first team defense was destroying the first team offense so far in camp, its because they have been.
So how great could Hoyer have looked if the defense is destroying the offense so far.
Several reports would indicate that if you watched today's practice, you wouldn't think there's a NFL starter on the team.
dude, you are such a dick.
shut the fuck up already.
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Stockton, I'm mocking you - you tool.............You should've stayed in school, as it would have greatly increased your reading comprehension.
Stockton, I'm mocking you - you tool.............You should've stayed in school, as it would have greatly increased your reading comprehension.
That really was too easy... but I +1'd you anyway...
Charley Casserly... says it's his "gut feel" that the Browns will use both 1st round picks this year and combine them to "grab our QB of the future".
Saw that as well. Charley is not shy.
i think it's possible-manziel/browns doesn't look like a fit.
but Charlie is an idiot trying to coattail the manziel name.
Not a fit? JM doesn't fit in Kyle Shanahan's O? Serious comment or the beginning of the excuse making?
And Charley is just doing what he is paid to do... comment on what he sees.
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After four days in training camp I think people are jumping the gun some.
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All hes doing is betting against Manziel, which isn't a stretch. Hoyer isnt the long term guy in any scenario and he knows that. So if he doesn't think Johnny will translate to the NFL then its an easy call to say Browns will need another QB soon.
All hes doing is betting against Manziel, which isn't a stretch. Hoyer isnt the long term guy in any scenario and he knows that. So if he doesn't think Johnny will translate to the NFL then its an easy call to say Browns will need another QB soon.
So he knows about Hoyer, but is only thinking (implied guessing) about JM... got it!
@everlastingxxx said:
That out of work GM is a known Manziel hater.
Is there a list? Newsletter?
For all the good words out of Camp about Hoyer, not much is about his actual play. They said he looked sharp on day 2, heard he looked bad today. Joe Thomas said he's like Tom Brady but then later commented that if it looked like the first team defense was destroying the first team offense so far in camp, its because they have been.
So how great could Hoyer have looked if the defense is destroying the offense so far.
Love the "its because they have been"... so authoritative...
Since the Hoyer reports are not about his play, are about how he dresses?
It's commonly held that D starts faster then O.
For every report I heard/ read saying Hoyer had an "off" (not bad, but off) Day 4, I heard/read one saying he looked good. For the record it was 2 each...
Johnny is in no hurry, he only played 2 years in college and could sit for a year or two to get caught up.
Walter, you are dangerously close to becoming a voice of reason around here.
Agree, but would rephrase as "no reason to hurry Johnny". Two years puts him right on schedule to graduate with his A&M class. While I doubt that he sits the full two years (or even this full year), it wouldn't hurt if he did.
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After four days in training camp I think people are jumping the gun some.
After four days in training camp I think people are jumping the gun some.
That's an understatement.
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Once again you guys dont seem to understand professional sports. Browns are talking about Hoyer to get M anziels attention the same way you hit on the fat girl to make her hot friend pay attention to you.
I feel bad for Hoyer. I really do. Hes a lame duck.
You can take everything in the Browns have said about Hoyer but their actions say otherwise. If hes "Tom Brady" then why'd they pick a QB in yhe first round? Its not even about Manziel, it couldve been Teddy B and the point remains. The Browns believe in Hoyer to the extent they took a QB in round 1. Thats reality and the only message that you know is fact.
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Once again you guys dont seem to understand professional sports. Browns are talking about Hoyer to get M anziels attention the same way you hit on the fat girl to make her hot friend pay attention to you.
I feel bad for Hoyer. I really do. Hes a lame duck.
You can take everything in the Browns have said about Hoyer but their actions say otherwise. If hes "Tom Brady" then why'd they pick a QB in yhe first round? Its not even about Manziel, it couldve been Teddy B and the point remains. The Browns believe in Hoyer to the extent they took a QB in round 1. Thats reality and the only message that you know is fact.
Saying the majority don't understand something and using a conspiratorial statement based off of hear say and gossip always succeeds in changing opinions.Once again you guys dont seem to understand professional sports. Browns are talking about Hoyer to get M anziels attention the same way you hit on the fat girl to make her hot friend pay attention to you.
I feel bad for Hoyer. I really do. Hes a lame duck.
You can take everything in the Browns have said about Hoyer but their actions say otherwise. If hes "Tom Brady" then why'd they pick a QB in yhe first round? Its not even about Manziel, it couldve been Teddy B and the point remains. The Browns believe in Hoyer to the extent they took a QB in round 1. Thats reality and the only message that you know is fact.
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Ok let me try it this way.
EVERYTHING being done right now is to get Manziel prepared. EVERYTHING.
The minute, very second, the Browns drafted a QB in the first round, Hoyer became a lame duck QB. Its not if he loses the job, its when. The Browns are not wasting one ounce of energy on Hoyer because top to bottom they all know Manziel is the future starter. Everything is going into getting him ready ASAP. EVERYTHING.
If you dont understand that, then you do not understand NFL football. The decision on Hoyer has already been made, at the NFL draft. How thr Browns really feel about Hoyer is reflected in that pick.
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Ok let me try it this way.
EVERYTHING being done right now is to get Manziel prepared. EVERYTHING.
The minute, very second, the Browns drafted a QB in the first round, Hoyer became a lame duck QB. Its not if he loses the job, its when. The Browns are not wasting one ounce of energy on Hoyer because top to bottom they all know Manziel is the future starter. Everything is going into getting him ready ASAP. EVERYTHING.
If you dont understand that, then you do not understand NFL football. The decision on Hoyer has already been made, at the NFL draft. How thr Browns really feel about Hoyer is reflected in that pick.
Ok let me try it this way.
EVERYTHING being done right now is to get Manziel prepared. EVERYTHING.
The minute, very second, the Browns drafted a QB in the first round, Hoyer became a lame duck QB. Its not if he loses the job, its when. The Browns are not wasting one ounce of energy on Hoyer because top to bottom they all know Manziel is the future starter. Everything is going into getting him ready ASAP. EVERYTHING.
If you dont understand that, then you do not understand NFL football. The decision on Hoyer has already been made, at the NFL draft. How thr Browns really feel about Hoyer is reflected in that pick.
Yeah Manziel will be the starter eventually. Nobody is debating that. Would we like to see Hoyer light it up? Of course. It would be good for the team.
Would most prefer the Hoyer plays well to keep Manziel on the bench to allow him to get acclimated to the speed, playbook, and work ethic needed (please no more articles about his work ethic at A&M, we get it. I'd rather see him learn it, along with his innate ability, by watching professionals who have done this for years) to succeed in this league? Yup.
I'd rather wait for JM to be ready to start then to let him figure it out on the fly. It's all about his long term viability.
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Andre Reed sure does have some opinions about things....I prefer "Johnny Eightball"
via deadspin
Andre Reed wants to tell you how he feels, how he really feels. And it probably will involve copious amounts of "fuck" and one drop of "motherfucker."We know this thanks to a lengthy New York magazine takeout by Reeves Wiedeman about how much people in Buffalo hate the idea of Jon Bon Jovi buying their team. It's chock full of delightful details, but the spotlight belongs to the newly minted Hall of Famer from Buffalo. He is pissed.First, on Bon Jovi:"Man, fuck Bon Jovi!" Reed said. "You might as well just take this city, throw it in the river, and let it go down Niagara Falls."During the interview, ESPN showed a tweet from Johnny Manziel calling LeBron James "my guy." Reed, seemingly unprompted, weighed in."Who the fuck is Johnny Manziel?" Reed asked. "LeBron ain't your guy! You're not 'Johnny Football.' You're 'Johnny Rookie Bitch.' "So tell us, how would Johnny Football do in Buffalo?"They'd boo that motherfucker outta here," he said. "The fans would put him in his place."Yeah! That's right! The crowd of Buffalo Bills fans goes wild!Despite the fact that most of Reed's venom is reserved for those who would move the team to Toronto, he can't deny that Toronto can be a pretty fun place."Now, I ain't gonna lie to you," Reed said. "One year I went up to Toronto, and man, I had a good-ass time up there.""Off the record," Sabuda said."Off the record—I had a great time," Reed said. When I asked if he would continue being a part of the franchise as he had in Buffalo, he paused, then admitted that his allegiance to the city wasn't ironclad: "If they paid me."We ain't gonna lie to you either, Andre. Don't be surprised if Toronto asks you to put a dollar figure on your loyalty.
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