Illegals flocking to U.S. now, because of Obamao...from Ebola countries
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I don't think GFT has a clue as to the problem. Send him to live on the border of Mexico for a month.
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I don't think GFT has a clue as to the problem. Send him to live on the border of Mexico for a month.
I don't think GFT has a clue as to the problem. Send him to live on the border of Mexico for a month.
Why is that?
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I don't think GFT has a clue as to the problem. Send him to live on the border of Mexico for a month.
Why is that?
Why is that?
Just a guess for me would be that he doesn't live here. And he seems to believe there is no problem because it's reported in the Daily Mail which he has absolutely no trust in. How about you? Do you think there is an illegal immigration problem in the United States of America or not?
WSS
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So we have extensively more knowledge being in Ohio?
We have a problem in our system, for sure. Most other problems stem from that.
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So we have extensively more knowledge being in Ohio?
We have a problem in our system, for sure. Most other problems stem from that.
1 Ohio is in the United States. So yes I think we'd have more knowledge of what ever our immigration problems are than someone in Great Britain. And vice versa. I think you were just being bickersome for no reason.So we have extensively more knowledge being in Ohio?
We have a problem in our system, for sure. Most other problems stem from that.
2 Could you possibly be a little more vague? What do you think the problems are and how do you think the system caused them?
WSS
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I think Woody's just pointing out that DieHard wanted me to go to the Mexican border to experience what it's like there, yet most people on here probably don't have too much experience of that themselves. And in fact, I'd wager there are more people in London illegally than in Ohio as a whole.
Yes, there seems to be a problem - it's always a problem when people are breaking the law. But there are many causes, including but not limited to the policies of both Bush and Obama, a perceived weakness of the US in accepting immigrants, particularly children, a worsening of problems in the places these people are fleeing, perhaps encouragement from Mexico that they might look the other way at people trying to enter America, and a bunch more.
That being said, in the great scheme of things, America has the farming capabilities to feed far more than its own current population, there's no shortage of space, there's no civil war (DieHard, that's your cue to make an entertaining quip about the British if you choose), most people in southern america speak some kind of spanish.
Problem is, where are the jobs? Well, for a start you can potentially put them to work farming, producing the extra food they'd eat, and helping to create a bigger excess (more money) for the farmers they're helping. Cal might be able to give more insight on how more people => bigger yield, I'm not sure, but it seems to make sense
on top of that, there are a shit ton of crappy jobs that need sorting, like road surfaces, things like that.But then, where does the money come from? That's the big sticking point. In a humanitarian crisis there's usually aid to be found from the UN, and usually from bigger countries like, well, the USA. If this was happening in Israel - 100k people flooding in from syria, iraq, iran, egypt etc - I think the US would be pretty quick to send aid (or perhaps not?) but because it's happening at home, where there's vastly more space to put these people and infrastructure to support it, people are less keen.
For what it's worth, we do have problems of illegal immigrants, but not huge problems. Then again, because of the expanding EU, we have a lot of legal immigration that we can do nothing about, which is, IMO, a bigger strain.
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You and Woody spout off and say nothing in 90 percent of your posts.
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Or, you don't understand what's being said. What I'm saying is that there's a crisis, but it's easily dealt with, and the USA has space and food for so many more people than are currently there.
Perhaps these kids should have come across as embryos, then you'd give a damn.
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Yes we do have room and enough farmland to feed many more. And with unions and so forth artificially inflating wages here you always need people to do to menial labor at a discount. We can do all this until our cities are teeming with starving citizens just like those through the third world.
Maybe every British couple should adopt three or four? Certainly you have the capacity to do that right Chris? Since we are too selfish to take care of these children Im sure your generosity can save the world.
WSS
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Yeah, the capacity is there, people just don't like being told what to do. Everyone's in favour of helping the kids until it means impinging on their lives in any way, it's very frustrating. And for what it's worth I'm heavily involved in charity work in my spare time, so please spare me the 'gotcha' moments.
You can't build a prosperous nation like the USA/UK with equality and freedom for all, and then not expect people to flock to it from across the world seeking a better life. Some can get there legally, some can't and are desperate enough to try anything to have a part of it - that probably says as much about where they've come from as where they're going.
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Gotcha? I guess it still qualifies thanks to the prior statement about everyone being willing to help until it impinges on their lives. Kind of an I gave at the office response.
Anyway it's more human, or specifically mammal, nature.
The bottom line seems to be how far are the civilized portions of the world willing to go to help those who can't control their society or population? It's not the educated and self sufficient countries who are spiraling out of control population wise?
And it's not like any of these places are getting any relief by bundling up hundreds of thousands of their spawn to send them here right? It's not a zero sum game.
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You spout off plenty about what America should do since it doesn't affect your dumb ass one way or the other.
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Gotcha? I guess it still qualifies thanks to the prior statement about everyone being willing to help until it impinges on their lives. Kind of an I gave at the office response.
Anyway it's more human, or specifically mammal, nature.
The bottom line seems to be how far are the civilized portions of the world willing to go to help those who can't control their society or population? It's not the educated and self sufficient countries who are spiraling out of control population wise?
And it's not like any of these places are getting any relief by bundling up hundreds of thousands of their spawn to send them here right? It's not a zero sum game.
WSS
Gotcha? I guess it still qualifies thanks to the prior statement about everyone being willing to help until it impinges on their lives. Kind of an I gave at the office response.
Anyway it's more human, or specifically mammal, nature.
The bottom line seems to be how far are the civilized portions of the world willing to go to help those who can't control their society or population? It's not the educated and self sufficient countries who are spiraling out of control population wise?
And it's not like any of these places are getting any relief by bundling up hundreds of thousands of their spawn to send them here right? It's not a zero sum game.
WSS
I agree, it's up to the developed countries with the stability, wealth and infrastructure to help out those who cannot help themselves. Of course, there's a limit - you don't want countries to be reliant on handouts, although some are, and some probably always will be.
But do we say "well, we got it right, so you can sort yourself out and stay out of my country?" No, we need to show them how it's done and help them do it themselves.
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Well that sounds a little vague to me. Help them to help themselves. I guess it's like trying to help an alcoholic to sober up. He's not going to do it if he doesn't want to and all your help is in vain.
One does not make groundhogs and raccoons more self-sufficient by throwing out more and more trash into the yard.
WSS
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Well that sounds a little vague to me. Help them to help themselves. I guess it's like trying to help an alcoholic to sober up. He's not going to do it if he doesn't want to and all your help is in vain.
One does not make groundhogs and raccoons more self-sufficient by throwing out more and more trash into the yard.
WSS
Well that sounds a little vague to me. Help them to help themselves. I guess it's like trying to help an alcoholic to sober up. He's not going to do it if he doesn't want to and all your help is in vain.
One does not make groundhogs and raccoons more self-sufficient by throwing out more and more trash into the yard.
WSS
Yeah, the countries have to want to help themselves. You see so many times the country is run by some corrupt military leader and all the aid just gets funnelled into entrenching his position. But then there are those countries that aren't so much like that, and are trying to better themselves, and we can help those. The more countries we help to raise up, the more countries there are to help up the rest.
No, animals don't get self-sufficient by giving them more food. But, people have cognitive abilities beyond animals, so that's kinda irrelevant. But I'm not talking about giving food out to everybody, but the ability to provide food for themselves.
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"Perhaps these kids should have come across as embryos, then you'd give a damn."
TOO FUNNY
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"Perhaps these kids should have come across as embryos, then you'd give a damn."
TOO FUNNY
Or a solution from the other side how about 100,000 post natal abortions?"Perhaps these kids should have come across as embryos, then you'd give a damn."
TOO FUNNY
WSS
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Or a solution from the other side how about 100,000 post natal abortions?"Perhaps these kids should have come across as embryos, then you'd give a damn."
TOO FUNNY
WSS
Or a solution from the other side how about 100,000 post natal abortions?
WSS
The other side of what?
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Or a solution from the other side how about 100,000 post natal abortions?
WSS
The other side of what?
Uh the other side meaning the guys that arent abortion proponents. You might want to go back and read the joke.The other side of what?
See that's what made the embryo gag clever.
Sheesh
WSS
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Uh the other side meaning the guys that arent abortion proponents. You might want to go back and read the joke.The other side of what?
See that's what made the embryo gag clever.
Sheesh
WSS
Uh the other side meaning the guys that arent abortion proponents. You might want to go back and read the joke.
See that's what made the embryo gag clever.
Sheesh
WSS
The embryo line is still funny
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