Hoyer will start !
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Intellectually insulting to who? Not you because you have to be intelligent to be "intellectually insulted."
I consider great to be significantly above average. Average, good, great. There you go fuck face. Or for instance: idiot, stupid, full Retard (i.e. you). I'm done discussing arbitrary levels of grading people with an ass clown.
And different standards? I judge Hoyer on his NFL experience and play in real games. Your lover boy is yet to be determined how well he can play in the NFL.
This guy would play Hoyer over Andrew Luck his rookie year with this evaluation. Nice job, coach.
This guy would play Hoyer over Andrew Luck his rookie year with this evaluation. Nice job, coach.
way to introduce yourself to the board.
if first impressions are everything you must be working at hardees right now.......coach.
go fuck yourself.
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Love Manziel.
Hate his fans.
TexMex classless douchebags.
Zombo
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@everlastingxxx said:
Pittsburgh Steelers defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau: 'I'm expecting Johnny Manziel to be the starter' for Cleveland Browns
"I'm expecting (Johnny) Manziel to be the starter," LeBeau told cleveland.com Monday, a day Manziel earned exclusive first-team reps for the first time in practice. "That's what I'm expecting. What he did in college is not an accident. He did it often enough against good teams."
"I think he is going to be a handful for all of us," said LeBeau, a Pro Football Hall of Famer. "You watch all his games and he created plays, he made plays, he kept plays alive.
"He has the ability to see people and the touch with the football to get it in there late in the down. I think he will be successful at this level."
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/08/pittsburgh_steelers_defensive.html
Translation perhaps: " I am hoping that Manziel will be the starter for the Browns.....because almost never in history has a defense that I have been in charge of ever lost to a rookie QB. (this is in fact true), and in probably my final year in the league I would like to see this team make the playoffs, and if the Browns start a rookie against us twice, that is 2 wins under our belts that we don't have to worry about."
(per some research I have done, the only time a rookie QB has defeated LeBeau in a fair, straight up game was..........guess who.......Brandon Weeden. That was when the Browns forced like 8 fumbles vs. the Steelers.
The Steelers also lost to rookie Troy Smith....but that was an end of the year throw in game where the Steelers only played their starters for maybe a series..
All according to plan...
Translation perhaps: " I am hoping that Manziel will be the starter for the Browns.....because almost never in history has a defense that I have been in charge of ever lost to a rookie QB. (this is in fact true), and in probably my final year in the league I would like to see this team make the playoffs, and if the Browns start a rookie against us twice, that is 2 wins under our belts that we don't have to worry about."
Thought crossed my mind as well. Nothing like fertilizing those seeds of dissention prior to opening day...
What's that say when in one week he looks comparable to Hoyer?
If you ignore being 8 seconds slower out of the huddle and having a 40% lower completion percentage... yeah... comparable-ish...
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@everlastingxxx said:
Pittsburgh Steelers defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau: 'I'm expecting Johnny Manziel to be the starter' for Cleveland Browns
"I'm expecting (Johnny) Manziel to be the starter," LeBeau told cleveland.com Monday, a day Manziel earned exclusive first-team reps for the first time in practice. "That's what I'm expecting. What he did in college is not an accident. He did it often enough against good teams."
"I think he is going to be a handful for all of us," said LeBeau, a Pro Football Hall of Famer. "You watch all his games and he created plays, he made plays, he kept plays alive.
"He has the ability to see people and the touch with the football to get it in there late in the down. I think he will be successful at this level."
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/08/pittsburgh_steelers_defensive.html
Translation perhaps: " I am hoping that Manziel will be the starter for the Browns.....because almost never in history has a defense that I have been in charge of ever lost to a rookie QB. (this is in fact true), and in probably my final year in the league I would like to see this team make the playoffs, and if the Browns start a rookie against us twice, that is 2 wins under our belts that we don't have to worry about."
(per some research I have done, the only time a rookie QB has defeated LeBeau in a fair, straight up game was..........guess who.......Brandon Weeden. That was when the Browns forced like 8 fumbles vs. the Steelers.
The Steelers also lost to rookie Troy Smith....but that was an end of the year throw in game where the Steelers only played their starters for maybe a series..
Translation perhaps: " I am hoping that Manziel will be the starter for the Browns.....because almost never in history has a defense that I have been in charge of ever lost to a rookie QB. (this is in fact true), and in probably my final year in the league I would like to see this team make the playoffs, and if the Browns start a rookie against us twice, that is 2 wins under our belts that we don't have to worry about."
(per some research I have done, the only time a rookie QB has defeated LeBeau in a fair, straight up game was..........guess who.......Brandon Weeden. That was when the Browns forced like 8 fumbles vs. the Steelers.
The Steelers also lost to rookie Troy Smith....but that was an end of the year throw in game where the Steelers only played their starters for maybe a series..
Yup- LeBeau doesn't lose to rookie qbs- especially at home in the opener.
What's that say when in one week he looks comparable to Hoyer?
You guys don't seem to understand that Johnny is the worst he's going to be right now. He's only going to get better the more comfortable he gets with everything. The ceiling for Hoyer right now is not nearly as high.
Yet another JF homer opinion- unsupported by the Browns coaching staff. FYI Pettine said weeks ago Manziel would get some reps in with the first team- it's a non-story.
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This fan base has to be the most Retarded ive ever seen. Johnny looked better by far today. Once he gets some freaking WRs who can freaking catch the ball look out. Learn the difference between dropped balls and bad passing. Blind ass brown fans...Unreal....
You were at training camp today? Wonderful- most of us weren't. I think most of us will gladly defer to Pettine and Shanahan's decision as to who's better come the Steeler game. Training camp means almost nothing, and the preseason games are close to it. Know who had a 100 qbr last preseason? Brandon Weeden.
I'm the biggest Manziel fan on the planet and I think Hoyer should start.
3. It's way more damaging if we start Manziel right away and we shatter his confidence and the teams than if we start Hoyer and he sucks.Gosh Walter were you recently abducted by aliens and had your brain reprogrammed? Yes, many a quarterback has been tossed into live action too soon. It will hurt JF not at all to sit and watch until the coaches think he's ready- or Hoyer totally bombs.
Gosh Walter were you recently abducted by aliens and had your brain reprogrammed? Yes, many a quarterback has been tossed into live action too soon. It will hurt JF not at all to sit and watch until the coaches think he's ready- or Hoyer totally bombs.
I was thinking the same thing. Like maybe I entered the twilight zone. I check out for a little while and come back to WW making sensible statements about his boy JM? What's next, Mik runs off to join the Westboro Baptist Church and Z comes out of the closet?
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Translation perhaps: " I am hoping that Manziel will be the starter for the Browns.....because almost never in history has a defense that I have been in charge of ever lost to a rookie QB. (this is in fact true), and in probably my final year in the league I would like to see this team make the playoffs, and if the Browns start a rookie against us twice, that is 2 wins under our belts that we don't have to worry about."
(per some research I have done, the only time a rookie QB has defeated LeBeau in a fair, straight up game was..........guess who.......Brandon Weeden. That was when the Browns forced like 8 fumbles vs. the Steelers.
The Steelers also lost to rookie Troy Smith....but that was an end of the year throw in game where the Steelers only played their starters for maybe a series..
Yup- LeBeau doesn't lose to rookie qbs- especially at home in the opener.
What's that say when in one week he looks comparable to Hoyer?
You guys don't seem to understand that Johnny is the worst he's going to be right now. He's only going to get better the more comfortable he gets with everything. The ceiling for Hoyer right now is not nearly as high.
Yet another JF homer opinion- unsupported by the Browns coaching staff. FYI Pettine said weeks ago Manziel would get some reps in with the first team- it's a non-story.
Yup- LeBeau doesn't lose to rookie qbs- especially at home in the opener.
Yet another JF homer opinion- unsupported by the Browns coaching staff. FYI Pettine said weeks ago Manziel would get some reps in with the first team- it's a non-story.
Thats because he hasn't faced Johnny fucking football.
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LOL this whole board. Just sit back this season and enjoy the times JFF is in. Sometimes you'll be saying, "Ah, shit NO!" and other times you'll be saying, "Holy SHIT! Did he just do that!"
And often times both things will be said on the exact same play one after the other. Whateveer happens you will be entertained.
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love him or hate him, jff has brought a level of preseason excitement unmatched in brownsland for who knows how long
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LOL this whole board. Just sit back this season and enjoy the times JFF is in. Sometimes you'll be saying, "Ah, shit NO!" and other times you'll be saying, "Holy SHIT! Did he just do that!"
And often times both things will be said on the exact same play one after the other. Whateveer happens you will be entertained.
LOL this whole board. Just sit back this season and enjoy the times JFF is in. Sometimes you'll be saying, "Ah, shit NO!" and other times you'll be saying, "Holy SHIT! Did he just do that!"
And often times both things will be said on the exact same play one after the other. Whateveer happens you will be entertained.
i think we all get that. not every JF fan that has come here has been as smart and gracious as you. most of the outrageous ones have calmed down, but in recent weeks there's been an influx of people (i'm thinking kids) just blasting the fact that fans don't give in to the JF frenzy and we don't know what the F we are doing or talking about.
if we all make it to week 8 without imploding then i think we'll all come out of it fine.
the fact that these kids don't get it that we DO want manziel to succeed is mind blowing. if he was dominating TC i think there would be another take on it from everyone. the fact that he's not is just par for the course right now. 11 QBs and counting? been there. done that.
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LOL this whole board. Just sit back this season and enjoy the times JFF is in. Sometimes you'll be saying, "Ah, shit NO!" and other times you'll be saying, "Holy SHIT! Did he just do that!"
And often times both things will be said on the exact same play one after the other. Whateveer happens you will be entertained.
LOL this whole board. Just sit back this season and enjoy the times JFF is in. Sometimes you'll be saying, "Ah, shit NO!" and other times you'll be saying, "Holy SHIT! Did he just do that!"
And often times both things will be said on the exact same play one after the other. Whateveer happens you will be entertained.
If entertainment was what I wanted I'd rent a movie...
Been wondering where you've been lately.
JM is not "in anything yet... but neither is Hoyer. The depth chart prior to Preseason Game 1 does not matter. The chart prior to Preseason game 3 is the one that matters.
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LOL this whole board. Just sit back this season and enjoy the times JFF is in. Sometimes you'll be saying, "Ah, shit NO!" and other times you'll be saying, "Holy SHIT! Did he just do that!"
And often times both things will be said on the exact same play one after the other. Whateveer happens you will be entertained.
If entertainment was what I wanted I'd rent a movie...
Been wondering where you've been lately.
JM is not "in anything yet... but neither is Hoyer. The depth chart prior to Preseason Game 1 does not matter. The chart prior to Preseason game 3 is the one that matters.
If entertainment was what I wanted I'd rent a movie...
Been wondering where you've been lately.
LOL! I'm in Colorado hiking Rocky Mountain National Park trails and driving to Blackhawk for the casinoes. Too busy enjoying life to contribute much until we actually get to see some games. Looking forward to preseason!
PS-and thanks for the compliment miktoxic.
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If entertainment was what I wanted I'd rent a movie...
Been wondering where you've been lately.
LOL! I'm in Colorado hiking Rocky Mountain National Park trails and driving to Blackhawk for the casinoes. Too busy enjoying life to contribute much until we actually get to see some games. Looking forward to preseason!
PS-and thanks for the compliment miktoxic.
LOL! I'm in Colorado hiking Rocky Mountain National Park trails...
LOL... Code for "blazing more weed than a DEA bonfire"...
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This X 10. I'm trying to get on board with the fact we brought him in, and I hope he tears it up, but his fans make it difficultZombo said:
Love Manziel.
Hate his fans.
TexMex classless douchebags.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
Love Manziel.
Hate his fans.
TexMex classless douchebags.
Zombo
Feel the same way. Don't know why all these Manziel fans come on here to start flame wars, it's really brought the board into more pissing matches than usual during the off season. I don't get how grown men can be so engrossed with a kid.
I root for the Browns. Regardless of whoever is the QB, WR, or whatever. So long as they win it's all good with me. Hoyer was showing he could win with the Browns, although it was only a couple games he has a style that appears to work well in the NFL. Get the ball out to your receivers quickly. That's the only reason I see him as ahead in the QB competition. What is there to lose letting him play and Johnny sit and learn. If Hoyer sucks or can't perform, then it's time to see what Johnny has. If Hoyer shows he hasn't recovered fully then maybe start Johnny.
The draft is a crap shoot. You never know how a guy will perform at the NFL level.
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First of all your a dick weed. 2nd I don't give a fuck who plays what position so long as they win. I'm a fan of the browns. And in retrospect, yeah let Luck sit and learn so long as Hoyer is winning games.
Guess the Packers were dumbasses for not starting Rogers right away since favre was on the decline. Go to TMZ to get your johhny news.
I didn't realize Brian Hoyer was on the same level as Brett Favre.
I didn't realize Brian Hoyer was on the same level as Brett Favre.
That's exactly what i said. You're starting to act like the Manziel lovers.
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I didn't realize Brian Hoyer was on the same level as Brett Favre.
That's exactly what i said. You're starting to act like the Manziel lovers.
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LOL! I'm in Colorado hiking Rocky Mountain National Park trails...
LOL... Code for "blazing more weed than a DEA bonfire"...
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I didn't realize Brian Hoyer was on the same level as Brett Favre.
That's exactly what i said. You're starting to act like the Manziel lovers.
That's exactly what i said. You're starting to act like the Manziel lovers.
If that's not what you're saying, then your comparison is invalid.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
I have been reading message boards about Johnny since he was in HS. I haven't missed one of his games since he was a freshman in HS. You guys don't have ANYTHING on how bad the Texas AM board (TexAgs) slammed him until he finally got on the field. There was a lot of crow eating on that board. Sure I am a homer but the kid is something special. He has a rare combination of athletic ability, brains and heart. So far he has proved everybody wrong and I think the NFL is just the final step. He will never get a scholarship to a D! school. He will never start at a D1 school. He will never play QB at a D1 school. He will get crushed in the SEC. He will not win the Heisman as a freshman...blah blah blah. Johnny just wins or dies trying. Ok I am done for now
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@mike-h said:
Openly wishing injury on the kid by one of the mods.
Definitely an anti-Manziel, homer-visioned, retirement home forum for the bottom of the barrel of the fan base.
Please just leave.
You are actually the worst thing about this board right now.
I mean, if 10 different people call you a condescending prick, you might just be one.
It's a shame, you used to be interesting when you talked about football.
Z
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