Hoyer will start !
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HA!
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LOL this whole board. Just sit back this season and enjoy the times JFF is in. Sometimes you'll be saying, "Ah, shit NO!" and other times you'll be saying, "Holy SHIT! Did he just do that!"
And often times both things will be said on the exact same play one after the other. Whateveer happens you will be entertained.
LOL this whole board. Just sit back this season and enjoy the times JFF is in. Sometimes you'll be saying, "Ah, shit NO!" and other times you'll be saying, "Holy SHIT! Did he just do that!"
And often times both things will be said on the exact same play one after the other. Whateveer happens you will be entertained.
Depending on how things begin the season, he may not get in.
But....hello......both long time Browns fans and newbie JFF followers, there is a model for how to handle JTMZ.....and that model is..........Bernie Kosar, and Gary Danielson. Hoyer may be to JFF what Danielson was to BK.
For those of you that don't know, in BKs rookie season, he sat for 8 games while the wiley veteran Danielson led the team for the first half of the season. Then around game 9, BK got his start and stayed there for the rest of the year.....including a close playoff loss to the Dolphins.
I could see a similar scenario playing out.
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Just wait until a bad loss and mik goes on one of his famous drunken rants.
You JM newbies will probably have to seek therapy.
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I have been reading message boards about Johnny since he was in HS. I haven't missed one of his games since he was a freshman in HS. You guys don't have ANYTHING on how bad the Texas AM board (TexAgs) slammed him until he finally got on the field. There was a lot of crow eating on that board. Sure I am a homer but the kid is something special. He has a rare combination of athletic ability, brains and heart. So far he has proved everybody wrong and I think the NFL is just the final step. He will never get a scholarship to a D! school. He will never start at a D1 school. He will never play QB at a D1 school. He will get crushed in the SEC. He will not win the Heisman as a freshman...blah blah blah. Johnny just wins or dies trying. Ok I am done for now
I have been reading message boards about Johnny since he was in HS. I haven't missed one of his games since he was a freshman in HS. You guys don't have ANYTHING on how bad the Texas AM board (TexAgs) slammed him until he finally got on the field. There was a lot of crow eating on that board. Sure I am a homer but the kid is something special. He has a rare combination of athletic ability, brains and heart. So far he has proved everybody wrong and I think the NFL is just the final step. He will never get a scholarship to a D! school. He will never start at a D1 school. He will never play QB at a D1 school. He will get crushed in the SEC. He will not win the Heisman as a freshman...blah blah blah. Johnny just wins or dies trying. Ok I am done for now
Are you so insecure in your opinions that you want to hide them behind such a teeny tiny font?
All I can say is: I hope you are right.
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If that's not what you're saying, then your comparison is invalid.
No that's not what i'm saying. What i was saying is that Rogers was arguably more gifted at QB when he entered the league than Favre was at his stage in his career. I.e. Manziel is probably a better QB than Hoyer.
Favre was winning games but arguably Rogers could have won more. Hoyer was winning games, but JF might win more.
They let Rogers sit and learn. It turned out pretty well for them.
So I am was saying that letter Rogers sit and learn wasn't such a bad thing, but he could have arguably came in and been much better than Favre. The same can be said in our case, Manziel might come in and win more games than Hoyer. But you never know how a guy will perform in NFL from college.
Johnny is still a young man. You're still maturing physically as well as mentally in your early twenties. The NFL is trial by fire now with these rookie QBs.
I think the Packers did it right in letting him sit. But who knows it may have been better to set Brett packing earlier (pun intended).
Anyways it was no a comparison between Hoyer and Favre as it was the situation with a rookie QB who potentially is a better QB than the current QB. That is all.
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I have been reading message boards about Johnny since he was in HS. I haven't missed one of his games since he was a freshman in HS. You guys don't have ANYTHING on how bad the Texas AM board (TexAgs) slammed him until he finally got on the field. There was a lot of crow eating on that board. Sure I am a homer but the kid is something special. He has a rare combination of athletic ability, brains and heart. So far he has proved everybody wrong and I think the NFL is just the final step. He will never get a scholarship to a D! school. He will never start at a D1 school. He will never play QB at a D1 school. He will get crushed in the SEC. He will not win the Heisman as a freshman...blah blah blah. Johnny just wins or dies trying. Ok I am done for now
Are you so insecure in your opinions that you want to hide them behind such a teeny tiny font?
All I can say is: I hope you are right.
Are you so insecure in your opinions that you want to hide them behind such a teeny tiny font?
All I can say is: I hope you are right.
It's just so that the old people don't read it and run him out of town.
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If that's not what you're saying, then your comparison is invalid.
No that's not what i'm saying. What i was saying is that Rogers was arguably more gifted at QB when he entered the league than Favre was at his stage in his career. I.e. Manziel is probably a better QB than Hoyer.
Favre was winning games but arguably Rogers could have won more. Hoyer was winning games, but JF might win more.
They let Rogers sit and learn. It turned out pretty well for them.
So I am was saying that letter Rogers sit and learn wasn't such a bad thing, but he could have arguably came in and been much better than Favre. The same can be said in our case, Manziel might come in and win more games than Hoyer. But you never know how a guy will perform in NFL from college.
Johnny is still a young man. You're still maturing physically as well as mentally in your early twenties. The NFL is trial by fire now with these rookie QBs.
I think the Packers did it right in letting him sit. But who knows it may have been better to set Brett packing earlier (pun intended).
Anyways it was no a comparison between Hoyer and Favre as it was the situation with a rookie QB who potentially is a better QB than the current QB. That is all.
No that's not what i'm saying. What i was saying is that Rogers was arguably more gifted at QB when he entered the league than Favre was at his stage in his career. I.e. Manziel is probably a better QB than Hoyer.
Favre was winning games but arguably Rogers could have won more. Hoyer was winning games, but JF might win more.
They let Rogers sit and learn. It turned out pretty well for them.
So I am was saying that letter Rogers sit and learn wasn't such a bad thing, but he could have arguably came in and been much better than Favre. The same can be said in our case, Manziel might come in and win more games than Hoyer. But you never know how a guy will perform in NFL from college.
Johnny is still a young man. You're still maturing physically as well as mentally in your early twenties. The NFL is trial by fire now with these rookie QBs.
I think the Packers did it right in letting him sit. But who knows it may have been better to set Brett packing earlier (pun intended).
Anyways it was no a comparison between Hoyer and Favre as it was the situation with a rookie QB who potentially is a better QB than the current QB. That is all.
Rodgers was stuck behind a legend and sat for...what 3 years?
You can't bench Brett Favre in Green Bay. That's all that situation was about. Had nothing to do with getting Rodgers ready.
You can bench Brian Hoyer in Cleveland. Ex player after Ex player will tell you, you learn nothing sitting on the sidelines. Go out, make a ton of mistakes, and learn. By year 2 you're a vet.
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No that's not what i'm saying. What i was saying is that Rogers was arguably more gifted at QB when he entered the league than Favre was at his stage in his career. I.e. Manziel is probably a better QB than Hoyer.
Favre was winning games but arguably Rogers could have won more. Hoyer was winning games, but JF might win more.
They let Rogers sit and learn. It turned out pretty well for them.
So I am was saying that letter Rogers sit and learn wasn't such a bad thing, but he could have arguably came in and been much better than Favre. The same can be said in our case, Manziel might come in and win more games than Hoyer. But you never know how a guy will perform in NFL from college.
Johnny is still a young man. You're still maturing physically as well as mentally in your early twenties. The NFL is trial by fire now with these rookie QBs.
I think the Packers did it right in letting him sit. But who knows it may have been better to set Brett packing earlier (pun intended).
Anyways it was no a comparison between Hoyer and Favre as it was the situation with a rookie QB who potentially is a better QB than the current QB. That is all.
Rodgers was stuck behind a legend and sat for...what 3 years?
You can't bench Brett Favre in Green Bay. That's all that situation was about. Had nothing to do with getting Rodgers ready.
You can bench Brian Hoyer in Cleveland. Ex player after Ex player will tell you, you learn nothing sitting on the sidelines. Go out, make a ton of mistakes, and learn. By year 2 you're a vet.
Rodgers was stuck behind a legend and sat for...what 3 years?
You can't bench Brett Favre in Green Bay. That's all that situation was about. Had nothing to do with getting Rodgers ready.
You can bench Brian Hoyer in Cleveland. Ex player after Ex player will tell you, you learn nothing sitting on the sidelines. Go out, make a ton of mistakes, and learn. By year 2 you're a vet.
You can if he's going to win you superbowls. They eventually let Favre go. You can't let a legend go either right?
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No that's not what i'm saying. What i was saying is that Rogers was arguably more gifted at QB when he entered the league than Favre was at his stage in his career. I.e. Manziel is probably a better QB than Hoyer.
Favre was winning games but arguably Rogers could have won more. Hoyer was winning games, but JF might win more.
They let Rogers sit and learn. It turned out pretty well for them.
So I am was saying that letter Rogers sit and learn wasn't such a bad thing, but he could have arguably came in and been much better than Favre. The same can be said in our case, Manziel might come in and win more games than Hoyer. But you never know how a guy will perform in NFL from college.
Johnny is still a young man. You're still maturing physically as well as mentally in your early twenties. The NFL is trial by fire now with these rookie QBs.
I think the Packers did it right in letting him sit. But who knows it may have been better to set Brett packing earlier (pun intended).
Anyways it was no a comparison between Hoyer and Favre as it was the situation with a rookie QB who potentially is a better QB than the current QB. That is all.
Rodgers was stuck behind a legend and sat for...what 3 years?
You can't bench Brett Favre in Green Bay. That's all that situation was about. Had nothing to do with getting Rodgers ready.
You can bench Brian Hoyer in Cleveland. Ex player after Ex player will tell you, you learn nothing sitting on the sidelines. Go out, make a ton of mistakes, and learn. By year 2 you're a vet.
Go out, make a ton of mistakes, and learn. By year 2 you're a vet.
That worked well for Couch........ He was a beaten down, broken, skittish vet who never recovered.
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First off Couch mightve sucked anyway. He was on an expansion team, he was destroyed because of no help. Different situation here. Theres a ton of guys who sat and wet awful and guys who started day 1 and were bad. If youre good then getting the mistakes out of the way is the best thing for you. You learn by playing not watching.
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First off Couch mightve sucked anyway. He was on an expansion team, he was destroyed because of no help. Different situation here. Theres a ton of guys who sat and wet awful and guys who started day 1 and were bad. If youre good then getting the mistakes out of the way is the best thing for you. You learn by playing not watching.
First off Couch mightve sucked anyway. He was on an expansion team, he was destroyed because of no help. Different situation here. Theres a ton of guys who sat and wet awful and guys who started day 1 and were bad. If youre good then getting the mistakes out of the way is the best thing for you. You learn by playing not watching.
How is the situation different? You new guys argue everything said to the extreme unless it doesn't agree with your opinion. It's tiring.
Johnny is smaller and could get broken and beat down too. Give him a couple years to physically mature and he may be better off.
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Go out, make a ton of mistakes, and learn. By year 2 you're a vet.
That worked well for Couch........ He was a beaten down, broken, skittish vet who never recovered.
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First off Couch mightve sucked anyway. He was on an expansion team, he was destroyed because of no help. Different situation here. Theres a ton of guys who sat and wet awful and guys who started day 1 and were bad. If youre good then getting the mistakes out of the way is the best thing for you. You learn by playing not watching.
How is the situation different? You new guys argue everything said to the extreme unless it doesn't agree with your opinion. It's tiring.
Johnny is smaller and could get broken and beat down too. Give him a couple years to physically mature and he may be better off.
How is the situation different? You new guys argue everything said to the extreme unless it doesn't agree with your opinion. It's tiring.
Johnny is smaller and could get broken and beat down too. Give him a couple years to physically mature and he may be better off.
How is it different? Tim Couch had an expansion team around him. Probably the worst OLine in the NFL his first year.
Not the same situation. Not even close. Plenty of QBs who you know and think are great in the NFL didn't sit out their entire first year. They got in and played.
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How is the situation different? You new guys argue everything said to the extreme unless it doesn't agree with your opinion. It's tiring.
Johnny is smaller and could get broken and beat down too. Give him a couple years to physically mature and he may be better off.
How is it different? Tim Couch had an expansion team around him. Probably the worst OLine in the NFL his first year.
Not the same situation. Not even close. Plenty of QBs who you know and think are great in the NFL didn't sit out their entire first year. They got in and played.
How is it different? Tim Couch had an expansion team around him. Probably the worst OLine in the NFL his first year.
Not the same situation. Not even close. Plenty of QBs who you know and think are great in the NFL didn't sit out their entire first year. They got in and played.
Really- no one is arguing Manziel won't get his chance- just depends on how Hoyer plays.
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weeden barely made it to 2 years before he became a vet and the new FO kicked his ass out of town.
2 years means shit. either you got it or you don't.
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i don't wish bad on anyone. hopefully that texas air will get him playing like he did in OK.
but he did look great in TC for us also. he had a hard time reading defenses and feeling pressure around him, and when he did he reacted terribly.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Weeden has looked pretty good in camp. Should be interesting to see what he does tomorrow night. He is the starter, Romo not playing. Most players are given 3 season to prove if they can play at this level.
LMAO All you Cowgirl fans who have been trying to run Romo out of town the last few years may get your wish........... Careful what you wish for, you just may get it.
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