DA to the Jets
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As many of us have talked about...with Favre out of the picture the Jets are in the running for another QB....is DA the perfect fit?
Cleveland Browns and New York Jets: A Match Trade in Heaven?
by John Arend (Contributor)
So the Browns are reportedly shopping Derek Anderson. At least one analyst at ESPN has even go so far as to say the Browns will be looking for at least a second-round pick for the quarterback. I think it's pretty safe to say that a second-rounder is probably the high trade value for Anderson right now though.
Actually, Anderson is a perplexing problem for the Browns. He has shown signs of inconsistency and mental lapses, but these are things that can be drilled in order to fix. He has the arm strength and athleticism to be a great quarterback if his problems can be limited.
So who might be willing to take a chance on this guy when the Browns are reportedly asking so much. In the matter of about 48 hours, the New York Jets have become a great possibility.
As of a few days ago, the Jets were reportedly estimated to be above the 2009 NFL salary cap. Seeing as the NFL cap rule is a strict rule and not a guideline as in MLB and the NBA, the Jets had to find a way to make space or risk being fined or lose draft picks.
Yesterday, the Jets released defensive back David Barrett to put them slightly under the projected 2009 cap. Today, Brett Favre has told the team he will retire thus taking his $13 million contract off the books. This puts the Jets at about $15 million under the salary cap.
Author Poll
Would this be a match trade in heaven?
Now, what does that have to do with the Jets interest in DA? Eric Mangini was said to be the only one in the Jets organization to be against the Brett Favre trade. He was much more comfortable with the game-management style quarterback, than Brett's gun-slinger mentality. Many of Derek Anderson's critics have said that he is much like a young Brett Favre who made a lot of mistakes, but made up for them with athleticism.
Not only does this not bode well for DA staying in Cleveland, seeing as Mangini was recently hired by the Browns, but it also increases New York's likelihood of wanting DA. Rex Ryan, the new head coach of the Jets, recently even told Favre he'd like him to stay with the team. So now the Jets even have a head coach who likes the gunslinger mentality.
Okay, so we have the motives for the move, what about the means? Remember that DA is due a $5 million bonus in March whether he is cut or retained by the Browns. The only way for the Browns to avoid investing this money in the quarterback is if they trade him to a team willing to take on paying the bonus and taking the cap hit. Now that the Jets have made about $15 million of space, they have the room to make the trade.
What about that second-round draft pick the Browns are asking for? Well, the Browns are currently without picks in the third, fifth, and seventh rounds and the Jets have picks in every round and an extra fourth round pick. Seeing as the Browns only have a few weeks before they'll owe Anderson his bonus, they'll probably be willing to concede to a third round pick or even a lower pick package of some sort.
In fact, a lower pick plus a player maybe the best route for both teams. The Browns are in need of depth at every position and have glaring holes at many starter spots. The Jets have their own weaknesses on the roster, but lack the cap space to do much about it. Since trading for DA would take away at least $5-million in cap space, they might want to trade away a higher-paid under-performing player in order to make room for the quarterback's salary. The change of scenery could help both Anderson and whoever the Jets would choose to trade.
So are the Browns and Jets a match trade in heaven? Maybe not a perfect match, but the possibility is there.
this guy really makes some sense on this.
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Will Brett Favre make a comeback from retirement ?
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in other topic, Bruce Gradkowski cut by the Browns was hired by the Oakland Raiders.
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As many of us have talked about...with Favre out of the picture the Jets are in the running for another QB....is DA the perfect fit?
Cleveland Browns and New York Jets: A Match Trade in Heaven?
by John Arend (Contributor)
So the Browns are reportedly shopping Derek Anderson. At least one analyst at ESPN has even go so far as to say the Browns will be looking for at least a second-round pick for the quarterback. I think it's pretty safe to say that a second-rounder is probably the high trade value for Anderson right now though.
Actually, Anderson is a perplexing problem for the Browns. He has shown signs of inconsistency and mental lapses, but these are things that can be drilled in order to fix. He has the arm strength and athleticism to be a great quarterback if his problems can be limited.
So who might be willing to take a chance on this guy when the Browns are reportedly asking so much. In the matter of about 48 hours, the New York Jets have become a great possibility.
As of a few days ago, the Jets were reportedly estimated to be above the 2009 NFL salary cap. Seeing as the NFL cap rule is a strict rule and not a guideline as in MLB and the NBA, the Jets had to find a way to make space or risk being fined or lose draft picks.
Yesterday, the Jets released defensive back David Barrett to put them slightly under the projected 2009 cap. Today, Brett Favre has told the team he will retire thus taking his $13 million contract off the books. This puts the Jets at about $15 million under the salary cap.
Author Poll
Would this be a match trade in heaven?
Now, what does that have to do with the Jets interest in DA? Eric Mangini was said to be the only one in the Jets organization to be against the Brett Favre trade. He was much more comfortable with the game-management style quarterback, than Brett's gun-slinger mentality. Many of Derek Anderson's critics have said that he is much like a young Brett Favre who made a lot of mistakes, but made up for them with athleticism.
Not only does this not bode well for DA staying in Cleveland, seeing as Mangini was recently hired by the Browns, but it also increases New York's likelihood of wanting DA. Rex Ryan, the new head coach of the Jets, recently even told Favre he'd like him to stay with the team. So now the Jets even have a head coach who likes the gunslinger mentality.
Okay, so we have the motives for the move, what about the means? Remember that DA is due a $5 million bonus in March whether he is cut or retained by the Browns. The only way for the Browns to avoid investing this money in the quarterback is if they trade him to a team willing to take on paying the bonus and taking the cap hit. Now that the Jets have made about $15 million of space, they have the room to make the trade.
What about that second-round draft pick the Browns are asking for? Well, the Browns are currently without picks in the third, fifth, and seventh rounds and the Jets have picks in every round and an extra fourth round pick. Seeing as the Browns only have a few weeks before they'll owe Anderson his bonus, they'll probably be willing to concede to a third round pick or even a lower pick package of some sort.
In fact, a lower pick plus a player maybe the best route for both teams. The Browns are in need of depth at every position and have glaring holes at many starter spots. The Jets have their own weaknesses on the roster, but lack the cap space to do much about it. Since trading for DA would take away at least $5-million in cap space, they might want to trade away a higher-paid under-performing player in order to make room for the quarterback's salary. The change of scenery could help both Anderson and whoever the Jets would choose to trade.
So are the Browns and Jets a match trade in heaven? Maybe not a perfect match, but the possibility is there.
this guy really makes some sense on this.
As many of us have talked about...with Favre out of the picture the Jets are in the running for another QB....is DA the perfect fit?
this guy really makes some sense on this.
Good article. Thanks, John.
I think the biggest question still remains how confident our new regime is in Quinn. If they've seen/heard enough (especially from Romeo) to think he has a real chance to be a legit NFL QB, then DA really does become expendable.
But if Romeo is telling them something else about Quinn and ManKok decides we don't actually KNOW who are QB is?
Then DA will be a Brown, whether we like it or not.
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The Jets won't go after DA.....They are going to go after Sanchez in round 1.
I think that would be a slighlty better move.
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The Jets won't go after DA.....They are going to go after Sanchez in round 1.
I think that would be a slighlty better move.
oldcow1945 said:
The Jets won't go after DA.....They are going to go after Sanchez in round 1.I think that would be a slighlty better move.
Do you really think Sanchez will be available at 17?
Considering he is either the #1 or #2 QB on the board and you have:
Detroit
Kansas City
San Francisco
ahead of them....and then you have Minnesota, Chicago, Tampa all in the same area of the draft...
Besides, the Jets need LB/CB/DE's for their 3-4 defense...so that will likely be the #1 priority over a QB at that position...especially if they can get an experienced guy with their round 2 pick.
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I think it all depends on how high the Jets are on Cleamons. They seemed to like what he brought to the table when he started 8 games in place of a injured Pennington in 2007.
But, I could see bringing in a veteran like Anderson and let them compete over drafting a rookie and maybe not having a NFL ready QB to start the season.
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Sanchez's arm strength isn't ideal for Schottenheimer's vertical offense or throwing into the wind at the Meadowlands. Won't necessarily stop them from taking Sanchez, but I think it makes them less likely to fork over a ton of picks for him.
On the DA possibility, here's Adam Schefter:
If New York decides to trade for a quarterback, the most logical one is Clevelandโs Derek Anderson. For starters, Anderson has the most attractive contractual situation of any veteran quarterback. He is due a $5 million roster bonus on the 15th day of the league year, which is about a month from now. He signed a three-year, $24.5 million deal last year that still has two seasons remaining on it.
Beyond the contract are the relationships. Browns coach Eric Mangini and Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum have enough of a relationship that the two men could work out a deal. Also, Jets coach Rex Ryan worked with Anderson in Baltimore, before the Ravens released him.
If the Jets were to trade for a quarterback, the most logical candidate is Anderson. But Clemens and Ratliff cannot be dismissed from the competition, either.
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If Sanchez is available at #5, I could see the Jets trading their #1 and #2 and next year's #1 for our #1 to get him.
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i still don't see mangini trading da to his old team
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i still don't see mangini trading da to his old team
i still don't see mangini trading da to his old team
Why? You think he'd have a problem screwing over his old team?
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It may be, but it isn't going to happen before we pay the bonus.
Jets
Vikings
Bucs
Bears
Those are my odds on favorites.
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i still don't see mangini trading da to his old team
Why? You think he'd have a problem screwing over his old team?
Why? You think he'd have a problem screwing over his old team?
i guess i never saw it like that. if we get the right price for him, then i think that mangina will do it.
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You guys are dreaming. Browns fans aren't the only people in the world to watch how awful of a QB DA is. Seriously, he is that bad. They can draw as much hype as they want, nobody wants him.
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I think it all depends on how high the Jets are on Cleamons. They seemed to like what he brought to the table when he started 8 games in place of a injured Pennington in 2007.
But, I could see bringing in a veteran like Anderson and let them compete over drafting a rookie and maybe not having a NFL ready QB to start the season.
I think it all depends on how high the Jets are on Cleamons. They seemed to like what he brought to the table when he started 8 games in place of a injured Pennington in 2007.
But, I could see bringing in a veteran like Anderson and let them compete over drafting a rookie and maybe not having a NFL ready QB to start the season.
No way. Clemens was a real disappointment and that is why they went after Favre. Clemens threw 5 TD's to 10 INT's and had a rating of 60. He is a career back up at best.
I think teams on the verge of being good will take a look at what Flacco did with the Ravens this year and will not hesitate to go after a kid that could come in and start.....As long as he has a good supporting staff... And the Jets are not weak.
They HAVE to do something at QB.
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Yeah, I think the argument for Clemens is that no one could have succeeded behind that o-line (they'd just traded away Pete Kendall, had a scrub at RT, and D'Brickashaw Ferguson was struggling to keep his weight above 300 lbs.).
But he hasn't shown anything that would make you think, "Franchise QB". Brett Ratliff outplayed him in training camp last year.
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Where the hell is Lumfreddy at?
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Where the hell is Lumfreddy at?
I'm pretty sure he's plotting this guy's murder.
Chickenwang said:
You guys are dreaming. Browns fans aren't the only people in the world to watch how awful of a QB DA is. Seriously, he is that bad. They can draw as much hype as they want, nobody wants him.
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