Hoyer will start !
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why the big fuckin uproar over who's pimpin who"? neither qb camp has a valid justification to show their guy is the guy
it seems pretty clear to me. on the one hand you have a 4 year pro whose accomplishments are basically a three game winning streak before blowing out a knee. fundamentally he has the ability to manage a game beyond which there is not much to get your dick hard over.
enter a overhyped cocksure rookie whose resume includes being named the best player in college football. he seems smart enough to pick up the nuances of the pro game, but, to me, the question of his durability looms in a big way
factor in an a new coach, a new offensive scheme whose sole proven playmaker is facing a suspension of unknown length leaving a banged up tight end in the offensive playmaker spotlight.
unknown pages of posts leaves me scratching my head. September 7 can't get here soon enough. oh, by the way, the browns open on the road at the Heinz cow pasture.
I pissed on the bear's tombstone. war eagle
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The D in pardners is very important in TX Mik. And Steve I don't quite understand the whole father was a fan so I'm a fan thing, not understanding that I mean. I'm a Browns fan because of my father and grandfather, I damn sure didn't choose this crazy ass teampound partners.
now that's an idea..........
The D in pardners is very important in TX Mik. And Steve I don't quite understand the whole father was a fan so I'm a fan thing, not understanding that I mean. I'm a Browns fan because of my father and grandfather, I damn sure didn't choose this crazy ass team
I'm not talking about me or talking about other Ohio natives growing up as Browns fans like their fathers. I'm talking about people from other places following the team they grew up watching with their father. I've run into a few, not many.
And the D is the key, pard.
WSS
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Once in a while I will meet a guy from Ohio whos a Steelers fan and claims it's because his father was a Steelers fan. I think thats unnatural but... As I see it if Johnny football takes the Cleveland Browns deep into the playoffs or Super Bowl and these Texas boys kids grow up rooting for the Cleveland Browns I'm good with it. I have no wish to see Brian Hoyer fail but neither do I have a wish to see Johnny football fail.
Welcome to the pound pardners.
WSS
Once in a while I will meet a guy from Ohio whos a Steelers fan and claims it's because his father was a Steelers fan. I think thats unnatural but... As I see it if Johnny football takes the Cleveland Browns deep into the playoffs or Super Bowl and these Texas boys kids grow up rooting for the Cleveland Browns I'm good with it. I have no wish to see Brian Hoyer fail but neither do I have a wish to see Johnny football fail.
Welcome to the pound pardners.
WSS
I'm a Browns fan because my father was a Browns fan.
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browns' fans looking for the franchise.
everyday a hustlin'
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Unlike mik, I'll ignore the last part...
Square what you are saying NOW, with what you said before...
Namely... square "JM will be the starter WHEN HES READY"
with "Ex player after Ex player will tell you, you learn nothing sitting on the sidelines. Go out, make a ton of mistakes, and learn. By year 2 you're a vet."
and
"If youre good then getting the mistakes out of the way is the best thing for you. You learn by playing not watching."
Seriously, resolve those stances for me because otherwise I'm left thinking you are saying "JM will never start, because he cannot get ready, if he does not start."
It's called Boolean Algebra...
You don't understand differences in the argument of why Manziel shouldn't sit like Aaron Rodgers and why he will play when he is ready? Really?
Its funny to me that people are going on and on and on about "Manziel Fanboys" which I'm not seeing around here. I see people who understand Manziel is the future QB and thus appropriately follow him, but I don't see any dick sucking going on like the dick sucking for Hoyer.
Thats right. Its Hoyer Fanboys. Who so desperately want Hoyer to be the guy and they are so threatened by Manziel that they just cant take it.
You think you're in some kind of Disney movie where the hometown down and out kid comes home and saves the team. YAY!!! You can't handle the reality.
And thats all I care about is the reality. If it was Teddy B and you people were talking about Hoyer like this, I'd have the same things to say. It has nothing to do with Manziel and it has EVERYTHING to do with the delusional fans who think Hoyer is the next Kurt Warner (Which has been said MANY times).
While you're all complaining about how Manziel hasn't done anything to justify the hype, take a look at Hoyer. Talk about someone who hasn't justified the hype. There is no amount of Manziel love going on around that is even a fraction of the Brian Hoyer fantasy land that has developed. Cut three times, career backup, who has started 4 games in his career and only finished 3 of them, with accuracy issues coming off a torn ACL.....and you have people saying this situation is the Brett Favre/Aaron Rodgers situation all over.
Get you heads out of your asses.
@everlastingxxx said:
Dont include me among those idiots. Losing Romo would be a huge loss. After watching the Browns 2013 season on NFL Rewind i was horrified to see how Weeden played. I wanted Manziel because i was worried about Romos health. Weeks later Romo is having problems throwing the deep ball and rehabbing 4 hours a day on his back. Hopefully he is ready for the season.
If you watche the Wee-Done tame and were horrified, I have to assume the Cowboys also watched it and weren't? Us Browns fans would gladly have chipped in to buy Brandon a ticket out of town.
You don't understand differences in the argument of why Manziel shouldn't sit like Aaron Rodgers and why he will play when he is ready? Really?
Yup, I understand you're playing- "heads I win, tails you lose".
Its funny to me that people are going on and on and on about "Manziel Fanboys" which I'm not seeing around here. I see people who understand Manziel is the future QB and thus appropriately follow him, but I don't see any dick sucking going on like the dick sucking for Hoyer.
Not seeing? Look in a mirror.
U R in D-Nile. Thats right. Its Hoyer Fanboys. Who so desperately want Hoyer to be the guy and they are so threatened by Manziel that they just cant take it.
The only thing us Browns fans can't take is yet another 4-12 season. And you have it wrong. It would be nice if Hoyer IS the guy & shocks the NFL- that gives the Browns a nice problem. You're the one who gives that zero possibility of happening.
You think you're in some kind of Disney movie where the hometown down and out kid comes home and saves the team. YAY!!! You can't handle the reality.
Here's the reality- Manziel hasn't taken a snap yet in an NFL game- but you covered your ass on that angle too, saying "Manziel could fail",
And thats all I care about is the reality. If it was Teddy B and you people were talking about Hoyer like this, I'd have the same things to say. It has nothing to do with Manziel and it has EVERYTHING to do with the delusional fans who think Hoyer is the next Kurt Warner (Which has been said MANY times).
Correction- we said it's at least possible, it would be a great story if it came to pass. If it was Teddy B- you wouldn't be here, I'd be willing to bet.
While you're all complaining about how Manziel hasn't done anything to justify the hype, take a look at Hoyer. Talk about someone who hasn't justified the hype. There is no amount of Manziel love going on around that is even a fraction of the Brian Hoyer fantasy land that has developed. Cut three times, career backup, who has started 4 games in his career and only finished 3 of them, with accuracy issues coming off a torn ACL.....and you have people saying this situation is the Brett Favre/Aaron Rodgers situation all over.
Get you heads out of your asses.
I'd say get your head out of Johnny's ass first. Hoyer's been cut three times yup, career backup to furture HOFer Tom Brady. Gee, Len Dawson only got cut twice. Hoyer's in good company getting axed by the Steelers- they not only cut Dawson, they cut Johnny Unitas for good measure. Kurt Warner was bagging groceries, and was a third string backup on the Rams in 1998. St Louis thought so little of him, he was available in the expansion draft. The entire NFL was so certain Burfict was a character risk, no one would touch him in the draft with a ten foot pole. You think NFL history might have been different if Atlanta hadn't traded Farve to Green Bay? Yeah, that one happened too The point is teams make mistakes in evaluation- all the time.
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just curious, did any of you guys root for the Cowboys or the Dolphins when Bernie was shown the door?
be honest. Did anyone go so far as to have a Cowboys or Dolphins jersey in his home?
I've seen them so I know they exist...
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
Are you so insecure in your opinions that you want to hide them behind such a teeny tiny font?
All I can say is: I hope you are right.
It's just so that the old people don't read it and run him out of town.
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I have been reading message boards about Johnny since he was in HS. I haven't missed one of his games since he was a freshman in HS. You guys don't have ANYTHING on how bad the Texas AM board (TexAgs) slammed him until he finally got on the field. There was a lot of crow eating on that board. Sure I am a homer but the kid is something special. He has a rare combination of athletic ability, brains and heart. So far he has proved everybody wrong and I think the NFL is just the final step. He will never get a scholarship to a D! school. He will never start at a D1 school. He will never play QB at a D1 school. He will get crushed in the SEC. He will not win the Heisman as a freshman...blah blah blah. Johnny just wins or dies trying. Ok I am done for now
looks lilke everything isn't bigger in Texas.
shit-can that font and post like a man....assuming that's what you are
jff does have a history of shutting down the naysayers. my perception is that he uses the negativity as motivation. it's a mystery to me why there are so many jff haters out there in the
first place. he's prolly an arrogant prick which is ok in my book as long as his play can back up the smack factor.
the hurdle he faces now is whether or not the three hundred plus hits he took in college running the ball leave him with enough durability to become the qb leader the browns so
desperately need
looks lilke everything isn't bigger in Texas.
shit-can that font and post like a man....assuming that's what you are
jff does have a history of shutting down the naysayers. my perception is that he uses the negativity as motivation. it's a mystery to me why there are so many jff haters out there in the
first place. he's prolly an arrogant prick which is ok in my book as long as his play can back up the smack factor.
the hurdle he faces now is whether or not the three hundred plus hits he took in college running the ball leave him with enough durability to become the qb leader the browns so
desperately need
Should I post a picture of a body part with tats to show you what a stud I am? JFF is pretty high up on the arrogance/confidence scale.
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Once in a while I will meet a guy from Ohio whos a Steelers fan and claims it's because his father was a Steelers fan. I think thats unnatural but... As I see it if Johnny football takes the Cleveland Browns deep into the playoffs or Super Bowl and these Texas boys kids grow up rooting for the Cleveland Browns I'm good with it. I have no wish to see Brian Hoyer fail but neither do I have a wish to see Johnny football fail.
Welcome to the pound pardners.
WSS
Once in a while I will meet a guy from Ohio whos a Steelers fan and claims it's because his father was a Steelers fan. I think thats unnatural but... As I see it if Johnny football takes the Cleveland Browns deep into the playoffs or Super Bowl and these Texas boys kids grow up rooting for the Cleveland Browns I'm good with it. I have no wish to see Brian Hoyer fail but neither do I have a wish to see Johnny football fail.
Welcome to the pound pardners.
WSS
You are seeing lots of Cleveland gear in Texas stores now. Their will be a lot of folks signing up for NFL Sunday Ticket if Johnny gets the nod over Hoyer.
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Once in a while I will meet a guy from Ohio whos a Steelers fan and claims it's because his father was a Steelers fan. I think thats unnatural but... As I see it if Johnny football takes the Cleveland Browns deep into the playoffs or Super Bowl and these Texas boys kids grow up rooting for the Cleveland Browns I'm good with it. I have no wish to see Brian Hoyer fail but neither do I have a wish to see Johnny football fail.
Welcome to the pound pardners.
WSS
You are seeing lots of Cleveland gear in Texas stores now. Their will be a lot of folks signing up for NFL Sunday Ticket if Johnny gets the nod over Hoyer.
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Ft. Bliss was damn nice for 3 weeks after being in Ft. Puke (Polk) LA for a few months of Infantry training. We ate of of dishes and everything.
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fort bliss for artillery training. a lot of boom boom.
same terrain as north africa.
wonder if they got ebola there too?
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They picked me and a couple others to go to Redeye Missile School. Which later I believe became the Stinger.
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just curious, did any of you guys root for the Cowboys or the Dolphins when Bernie was shown the door?
be honest. Did anyone go so far as to have a Cowboys or Dolphins jersey in his home?
I've seen them so I know they exist...
WSS
just curious, did any of you guys root for the Cowboys or the Dolphins when Bernie was shown the door?
be honest. Did anyone go so far as to have a Cowboys or Dolphins jersey in his home?
I've seen them so I know they exist...
WSS
would owning one of those jerseys be better or worse than taping over "Kosar" and writing in "Austin"?
just curious what others think.
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Once in a while I will meet a guy from Ohio whos a Steelers fan and claims it's because his father was a Steelers fan. I think thats unnatural but... As I see it if Johnny football takes the Cleveland Browns deep into the playoffs or Super Bowl and these Texas boys kids grow up rooting for the Cleveland Browns I'm good with it. I have no wish to see Brian Hoyer fail but neither do I have a wish to see Johnny football fail.
Welcome to the pound pardners.
WSS
You are seeing lots of Cleveland gear in Texas stores now. Their will be a lot of folks signing up for NFL Sunday Ticket if Johnny gets the nod over Hoyer.
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just curious, did any of you guys root for the Cowboys or the Dolphins when Bernie was shown the door?
be honest. Did anyone go so far as to have a Cowboys or Dolphins jersey in his home?
I've seen them so I know they exist...
WSS
would owning one of those jerseys be better or worse than taping over "Kosar" and writing in "Austin"?
just curious what others think.
Who has one of those?would owning one of those jerseys be better or worse than taping over "Kosar" and writing in "Austin"?
just curious what others think.
WSS
www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons -
steve's right.
i think we all will agree that the foundation of the browns fan base has always been eclectic at best.
wanna buy a used leroy hoard jersey signed and sweated upon...........
$5 +free shipping.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Pittsburgh Steelers defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau: 'I'm expecting Johnny Manziel to be the starter' for Cleveland Browns
"I'm expecting (Johnny) Manziel to be the starter," LeBeau told cleveland.com Monday, a day Manziel earned exclusive first-team reps for the first time in practice. "That's what I'm expecting. What he did in college is not an accident. He did it often enough against good teams."
"I think he is going to be a handful for all of us," said LeBeau, a Pro Football Hall of Famer. "You watch all his games and he created plays, he made plays, he kept plays alive.
"He has the ability to see people and the touch with the football to get it in there late in the down. I think he will be successful at this level."
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/08/pittsburgh_steelers_defensive.html
Translation perhaps: " I am hoping that Manziel will be the starter for the Browns.....because almost never in history has a defense that I have been in charge of ever lost to a rookie QB. (this is in fact true), and in probably my final year in the league I would like to see this team make the playoffs, and if the Browns start a rookie against us twice, that is 2 wins under our belts that we don't have to worry about."
(per some research I have done, the only time a rookie QB has defeated LeBeau in a fair, straight up game was..........guess who.......Brandon Weeden. That was when the Browns forced like 8 fumbles vs. the Steelers.
The Steelers also lost to rookie Troy Smith....but that was an end of the year throw in game where the Steelers only played their starters for maybe a series..
Translation perhaps: " I am hoping that Manziel will be the starter for the Browns.....because almost never in history has a defense that I have been in charge of ever lost to a rookie QB. (this is in fact true), and in probably my final year in the league I would like to see this team make the playoffs, and if the Browns start a rookie against us twice, that is 2 wins under our belts that we don't have to worry about."
(per some research I have done, the only time a rookie QB has defeated LeBeau in a fair, straight up game was..........guess who.......Brandon Weeden. That was when the Browns forced like 8 fumbles vs. the Steelers.
The Steelers also lost to rookie Troy Smith....but that was an end of the year throw in game where the Steelers only played their starters for maybe a series..
i was at that game w the 8 turnovers...one of the best days of my life as a Brown. it was magnificent.
but...you missed the Quinn win under Mangenius. Eric did it with a lil help from his 3-4 D and a straightforward offensive game-plan built around ball control and taking care of the football with an emphasis on fundamentals and minimizing mistakes. and i believe it could be replicated with solid and unspectacular yet mistake-free play from either BH or JM.
i'll admit, if the score were tied in overtime if JFF legitimately got them that far i'd rather have his intangibles and moxy in there for the final shootout. Hoyer is solid, but if Johnny can surpass him and stay healthy, his passion, unpredictability, and potential high ceiling could finally be the final major piece to our puzzle.
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It's not all that strange- I've mentioned before if Hoyer was from California, it would be a lot different. Pulling for the local kid to do well. Is it that hard to understand? That's why NE Ohio was in a state of shock and mourning when the biggest hometown hero of all- Le Bron James, decided to "take his talents to South Beach". In his first stint with the Cavs, Le Bron could have run for mayor- and won- easily.
Sorry regarding proven- Hoyer is more proven than Manziel- as he's actually played in a real NFL game, JF has not.
I knew this was going to happen. Manziel looked OK in a controlled scrimmage, (not great mind you). Looked OK (not great again) today practicing with the #1s. That's a far cry from a real preseason game, and the regular season is in another dimension.
Did we see what has you Johnny Man-lovers salivating over? Yes. I'll be tuning in live this Saturday @ 7:30 PM to see if JF gets some reps with the first team offense against Suh and Fairley. Welcome to the REAL NFL Johnny.
What's that say when in one week he looks comparable to Hoyer?
You guys don't seem to understand that Johnny is the worst he's going to be right now. He's only going to get better the more comfortable he gets with everything. The ceiling for Hoyer right now is not nearly as high.
You guys don't seem to understand that Johnny is the worst he's going to be right now. He's only going to get better the more comfortable he gets with everything. The ceiling for Hoyer right now is not nearly as high.
there isn't a regular on this board who didn't know that a year ago.
continue to dazzle and amaze us with your divine insight oh great Banjo!
how's your first month being an NFL fan going so far?
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Haha. Yeah right dick wad. Luck has been the best prospect since Peyton Manning came out. Played in an NFL style offense at Stanford and is a prototypical pocket passer.
Then say what you mean. You said you judged Hoyer better than Johnny based on NFL experience. If that's all you're judging on, then we can conclude two things: 1) you're dumb as fuck; and 2) Hoyer is going to be superior to any prospect coming out in the NFL draft, no matter how good they are, because they have no NFL experience with which to compare.
You said you judge Hoyer on real experience in real game when comparing him to Johnny, but then talk out of your ass and say you judge Luck based on his experience at Stanford playing in the Pac12. If you don't think Johnny is better, then say it. Lay your evaluation nuts out there. Don't hide behind this no NFL experience bullshit.
Then say what you mean. You said you judged Hoyer better than Johnny based on NFL experience. If that's all you're judging on, then we can conclude two things: 1) you're dumb as fuck; and 2) Hoyer is going to be superior to any prospect coming out in the NFL draft, no matter how good they are, because they have no NFL experience with which to compare.
You said you judge Hoyer on real experience in real game when comparing him to Johnny, but then talk out of your ass and say you judge Luck based on his experience at Stanford playing in the Pac12. If you don't think Johnny is better, then say it. Lay your evaluation nuts out there. Don't hide behind this no NFL experience bullshit.
if Manziel were Luck he woulda been taken #1 overall weeks before the draft. #1 overall vs #22 overall?? apples and...coffee?
if Hoyer were on the Colts roster Luck most likely woulda had to outplay him for the start there too...and probably would have. in that situation with a guy like Luck who's 6'5", huge, super athletic and talented and w a football IQ high as Josh Gordon's entourage...if it's even close in preseason you obviously go with Luck.
and i have no problem saying it. i don't think rookie Johnny Manziel is as good as rookie Andrew Luck...like that's even a reach!
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