Hoyer will start !
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Im sorry "TCPO" is 7 examples enough? Because I can throw in the other examples where people were just saying Hoyer was the next ________ thus inferring that Hoyer will remain starter.
One one special post Hoorta even made the comments that because Warner, Len Dawson, and Johnny U were all cut in their careers, that Hoyer being cut 3 times in 5 years means nothing and he might be another one of them.
That one I'll cherish forever.
"Might not" is not the same as "won't". Nor is claiming that Hoyer might be a solid quarterback the same as saying Manziel will never start.
You seem to think that hoping Hoyer turns out to be better than anticipated is the same as saying Manziel will never be a starter. Wishes and reality are two separate entities.
Nobody here has said "Manziel isn't going to start for the Browns". Nobody here has said that Manziel wasn't drafted to be the Browns starter.
Manziel will start. He probably will start Week 1. He was taken to be the Browns franchise QB. That's undeniable fact. However, Pettine himself said he has to earn the job.
If Hoyer is as shitty as you claim, Manziel should have had no problem earning the spot immediately. But he didn't. He struggled learning the playbook, as many rookie quarterbacks do.
That doesn't mean he'll never beat out Hoyer. He will. The offense is becoming second nature to him, allowing him to think less and react faster. He will take the starting job.
Your pussy is bruised because Manziel didn't take the starting job immediately and you're taking it badly. That's fine, but don't like it's anything other than that.
"Might not" is not the same as "won't". Nor is claiming that Hoyer might be a solid quarterback the same as saying Manziel will never start.
You seem to think that hoping Hoyer turns out to be better than anticipated is the same as saying Manziel will never be a starter. Wishes and reality are two separate entities.
Nobody here has said "Manziel isn't going to start for the Browns". Nobody here has said that Manziel wasn't drafted to be the Browns starter.
Manziel will start. He probably will start Week 1. He was taken to be the Browns franchise QB. That's undeniable fact. However, Pettine himself said he has to earn the job.
If Hoyer is as shitty as you claim, Manziel should have had no problem earning the spot immediately. But he didn't. He struggled learning the playbook, as many rookie quarterbacks do.
That doesn't mean he'll never beat out Hoyer. He will. The offense is becoming second nature to him, allowing him to think less and react faster. He will take the starting job.
Your pussy is bruised because Manziel didn't take the starting job immediately and you're taking it badly. That's fine, but don't like it's anything other than that.
Once again, proving that being realistic about Hoyer makes you not knowledgeable, but instead a "Manziel lover".
Oh yeah and good call on saying nobody said Manziel wasn't drafted to be the starter, post #185
they did not draft JFF to be the starter.
Looking real good TCPO. Good calls all around.
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Dude, go away. At this point, you are nothing more than a troll. You are not a Browns fan. None of us consider you a Browns fan. You suck. Browns rule. It's opening day for our Browns and you aren't going to bring me down. Go somewhere where you can be productive. Loser.
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I know what a troll non Browns fan I must be.
When I went to family day and live posted it, I did it just to troll you. I mean I didn't have to, all you real Browns fans were there anyway, right.....right? Wait Right? All of you were there, I mean if me, the fake Browns fan, was there, then all of you who are so much bigger Browns fans than me mustve been there, certainly....right? -
"Might not" is not the same as "won't". Nor is claiming that Hoyer might be a solid quarterback the same as saying Manziel will never start.
You seem to think that hoping Hoyer turns out to be better than anticipated is the same as saying Manziel will never be a starter. Wishes and reality are two separate entities.
Nobody here has said "Manziel isn't going to start for the Browns". Nobody here has said that Manziel wasn't drafted to be the Browns starter.
Manziel will start. He probably will start Week 1. He was taken to be the Browns franchise QB. That's undeniable fact. However, Pettine himself said he has to earn the job.
If Hoyer is as shitty as you claim, Manziel should have had no problem earning the spot immediately. But he didn't. He struggled learning the playbook, as many rookie quarterbacks do.
That doesn't mean he'll never beat out Hoyer. He will. The offense is becoming second nature to him, allowing him to think less and react faster. He will take the starting job.
Your pussy is bruised because Manziel didn't take the starting job immediately and you're taking it badly. That's fine, but don't like it's anything other than that.
Once again, proving that being realistic about Hoyer makes you not knowledgeable, but instead a "Manziel lover".
Oh yeah and good call on saying nobody said Manziel wasn't drafted to be the starter, post #185
they did not draft JFF to be the starter.
Looking real good TCPO. Good calls all around.
Once again, proving that being realistic about Hoyer makes you not knowledgeable, but instead a "Manziel lover".
Oh yeah and good call on saying nobody said Manziel wasn't drafted to be the starter, post #185
Looking real good TCPO. Good calls all around.
Okay, I admit I didn't see that. And I don't agree with sisky on that front.
The thing is, we're saying the same things. But you're so blinded by whatever it is you think you're trying to prove that you don't realize it.
Maybe you'll consider my opinion more because I, too, am a "Manziel lover".
Fuck Hoyer. Dude is a 30 year old with shit stats and a handful of starts
Oh, he's from Cleveland? Must be great.
Guy sucks a bag of dicks.
What exactly makes Hoyer the guaranteed starter? His mediocre performance against the leagues worst passing defense? His mediocre performance against a defense missing 3 of their 4 defensive backfield starters?
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Oh that..
While he will start this season, he will not start THE season...
That ought to blow Stockman's mind...
By your own logic, why would Manziel start at all this season? If Hoyer starts Week 1, and is as good as you think he is, then why would Manziel become to the starter in the middle of the season?
By your own logic, why would Manziel start at all this season? If Hoyer starts Week 1, and is as good as you think he is, then why would Manziel become to the starter in the middle of the season?
If Hoyer is as good as I think he can be, which is all I have ever said, then it will be a while before JM starts. I never said "middle of the season". I really do not know where your head is...
Subject to revision based upon what I see this preseason, I think we are an 8-8 team due to numerous factors. I said so in a prediction thread that was started before you graced this board with your presence. And that is with BH as our starter... force me to start JM and my prediction would drop... but let's set that aside for now.
Even if BH plays well, at some point in an 8-8 season I believe the temptation will be there to "ready or not, see what the kid can do". That could come as early as week 5 (as many talking-heads have predicted) or late in the season, if it is clear that the playoffs are not in reach.
And injury could be a factor in the above... and not just at the QB spot.
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You guys need to be careful. You can trip and fall backpedaling that hard.
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This clown is worth debating with. He puts words in your mouth and avoids directly answering retorts.
As you all haven't been able to tell yet, he really should be the head coach and gm of the Browns. The Browns, as well as the rest of us, just haven't caught up yet.
Because I'm telling you Hoyer isn't the guy?
That's funny because the real Coach and GM of the Browns already told you Hoyer wasn't the guy by drafting a QB in round 1. That was their clue to the rest of you that Hoyer, is a backup QB.
Because I'm telling you Hoyer isn't the guy?
That's funny because the real Coach and GM of the Browns already told you Hoyer wasn't the guy by drafting a QB in round 1. That was their clue to the rest of you that Hoyer, is a backup QB.
Point proven. Thank you.
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You guys need to be careful. You can trip and fall backpedaling that hard.
You guys need to be careful. You can trip and fall backpedaling that hard.
Or maybe you need to do a little research before you post.
It's like growing a scum stache and wearing a flat brim hat automatically makes you act like a big pussy.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
You guys need to be careful. You can trip and fall backpedaling that hard.
You guys need to be careful. You can trip and fall backpedaling that hard.
How can I back-peddle from a stance I have taken from the get-go?
You are one seriously deluded dude. Certitude and obtusity all rolled into one, tightly wound package.
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To all Johnny Football Fans, this is how you should do it:
"Hey guys, new to the forum. I am a huge JFF fan, and have been since high school. I don't know a whole lot about the Browns, but any team JFF plays for, I root for, so I will be learning as much as i can, as quickly as I can, so please be gentle!
I have high hopes for JFF because he's been successful at every level he has played, even when everyone around him said he would fail......... The guy just knows how to win. I know however, that this is his biggest jump ever, and his past success in no way indicates how he will do as a pro, but my hopes are high.
Hopefully the coaching staff brings Johnny along as slowly as possible, and only plays him when they feel he can handle it. I don't think any of us knows if that will be week 1 of this year, or hell, week 10 in 2 years........ Only time will tell.
So anyway, if our defense can play at an even higher level than they did last year, we should be in most games. Combine that with better coaching and a much improved running game, and we might be able to have a winning season this year, regardless of who's under center.
Oh yea.................. G O B R O W N S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Are you people really so delusional to think that anyone that thinks Brian Hoyer isn't a valid starting QB, MUST be a Johnny Manziel lover who has never watched the Browns? You can't grasp your head around the idea that Hoyer isn't very good, and the Browns need a replacement? It instantly goes to "Well no way does he see Hoyer as someone who isn't good, so it must be that he loves Manziel and has never watched the Browns". Doesn't matter how often I say I don't know if Manziel is going to be good, you never get past the point where I say "Hoyer isn't the answer" and you instantly go "Well hes just a hater". Never once have I ever alluded to saying Manziel is a clear All Pro, yet thats all hoorta can see because in his head that's the only way the amazing Hoyer loses his job.
Tell thats to the 26 NFL front office insiders that ESPN asked to rank the 32 starting QBs and ranked Hoyer 29th. They must just be Manziel lovers. Just haters. They all think Manziel is an All Pro because they think Hoyer is a backup.
Think about that arrogance Hoorta.
Are you people really so delusional to think that anyone that thinks Brian Hoyer isn't a valid starting QB, MUST be a Johnny Manziel lover who has never watched the Browns? You can't grasp your head around the idea that Hoyer isn't very good, and the Browns need a replacement? It instantly goes to "Well no way does he see Hoyer as someone who isn't good, so it must be that he loves Manziel and has never watched the Browns". Doesn't matter how often I say I don't know if Manziel is going to be good, you never get past the point where I say "Hoyer isn't the answer" and you instantly go "Well hes just a hater". Never once have I ever alluded to saying Manziel is a clear All Pro, yet thats all hoorta can see because in his head that's the only way the amazing Hoyer loses his job.
Tell thats to the 26 NFL front office insiders that ESPN asked to rank the 32 starting QBs and ranked Hoyer 29th. They must just be Manziel lovers. Just haters. They all think Manziel is an All Pro because they think Hoyer is a backup.
Think about that arrogance Hoorta.
So you happen to think he's a backup too. Great, we got it about 100 posts ago.
Of course the rankings by 26 NFL front office insiders doesn't matter.
Them saying things like "Hoyer and Henne drew positive reviews as backups, but not as starters. "Hoyer is a great backup," one defensive coordinator said. "He can win some games for you, but if he had to start all 16, that's going to be tough."" doesn't matter.
Him being undrafted and cut by 3 teams in the last 5 years doesn't matter.
Him coming out of camp last year in 3rd behind Campbell and Weeden, doesn't matter.
Him coming off a torn ACL doesn't matter.
The Browns going into the draft saying they're going to draft a QB in the 1st round, and doing so, doesn't matter.
None of it matters around here. Brian Hoyer is great and if you don't think so then you're stupid and a Manziel lover. Clearly you didn't watch the Bengals game last year. Anything said to the contrary doesn't matter and means you don't know anything about football.
Please stop reading and projecting into what's being said around here. Go find one post of mine where I said anything like- "I'm positive Hoyer is going to be great".
I've seen Brian Hoyer compared to Kurt Warner no less than 5 times on this website and in this very thread theres a debate about this situation being like the Brett Favre/Aaron Rodgers situation, and you're telling me nobody is trying to say Hoyer is great?!?!
And once again, because I think Hoyer is what he is, a backup QB, that means Manziel is my lover boy. Or is it Mini Me? Nobody has caught on that everything I saw is about how Hoyer isn't the guy and not once has there been anything saying that Manziel is good, great, or my lover boy.
This is how out of touch with reality you have become.
Oh and I don't know what a tcpo is.
Seems you can't get it through you think head- we aren't saying Hoyer IS the next Kurt Warner, we are saying it sure would be nice if that turns out to be the case. I for one have no idea if that will come to pass.
Im sorry "TCPO" is 7 examples enough? Because I can throw in the other examples where people were just saying Hoyer was the next ________ thus inferring that Hoyer will remain starter.
One one special post Hoorta even made the comments that because Warner, Len Dawson, and Johnny U were all cut in their careers, that Hoyer being cut 3 times in 5 years means nothing and he might be another one of them.
That one I'll cherish forever.
That's right, Stockton MIGHT happen- find one post of mine where I said WILL happen.. You seem to be in denial since it's happened in the past- it can't happen again- to the Browns.
Because I'm telling you Hoyer isn't the guy?
That's funny because the real Coach and GM of the Browns already told you Hoyer wasn't the guy by drafting a QB in round 1. That was their clue to the rest of you that Hoyer, is a backup QB.
See above- yeah- we got it about 100 posts ago what your opinion about Hoyer is. A bunch of us posters see it differently, as to the reason a quarterback was selected in the first round.
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You guys need to be careful. You can trip and fall backpedaling that hard.
Or maybe you need to do a little research before you post.
It's like growing a scum stache and wearing a flat brim hat automatically makes you act like a big pussy.
Or maybe you need to do a little research before you post.
It's like growing a scum stache and wearing a flat brim hat automatically makes you act like a big pussy.
Actually, given the recent posts between us, it would seem like you would need to do the research before you post.
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Hey Hoorta I'm going to guess you play the lottery all the time right?
I mean because you MIGHT win right? I mean it's happened to people before, so its perfectly logical to think it could happen to you. I hope you don't fly because people have died in plane crashes before. It MIGHT happen to you too. Be careful. Especially at the beach, shark attack man. Shark Attacks.
Perfectly logical. -
Watching StocktonShorts crush skulls on this thread reminds me of that hypothetical about how many six year olds you could take-out at one time in a no-holds barred brawl.
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Or maybe you need to do a little research before you post.
It's like growing a scum stache and wearing a flat brim hat automatically makes you act like a big pussy.
Actually, given the recent posts between us, it would seem like you would need to do the research before you post.
Actually, given the recent posts between us, it would seem like you would need to do the research before you post.
I'll take the 200 posts I was right about over the one I was wrong about.
But you can hang onto that one, I know you need it. Might even want to print it out and get it framed.
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Hey Hoorta I'm going to guess you play the lottery all the time right?
I mean because you MIGHT win right? I mean it's happened to people before, so its perfectly logical to think it could happen to you. I hope you don't fly because people have died in plane crashes before. It MIGHT happen to you too. Be careful. Especially at the beach, shark attack man. Shark Attacks.
Perfectly logical.Hey Hoorta I'm going to guess you play the lottery all the time right?
I mean because you MIGHT win right? I mean it's happened to people before, so its perfectly logical to think it could happen to you. I hope you don't fly because people have died in plane crashes before. It MIGHT happen to you too. Be careful. Especially at the beach, shark attack man. Shark Attacks.
Perfectly logical.
All of those things might happen, yes. All you're doing is reinforcing the point that nothing is guaranteed.
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Interesting that you went with Flacco. He's certainly the most successful and his success does dispute my claim a tiny bit.
Only reason I went with Flacco was that the three, prior season starters for the Ravens were: Boller/ McNair/ Boller, neither of whom were on the '08 roster. Bouman and Smith backed up Flacco in '08, so it seemed obvious they were looking for a starter in a hurry and committed to him. So, ready or not, with a tight leash in place, they started him...
Tour, my statement Hoyer walks talks and acts like he has the job right now cannot be challenged, he has said it himself countless times. it's infallible.
Agree 100%... the latest comments concerning reps with the 1st vs. 2nd teamers from our two candidates only served to support the view.
im thinkin u were just ribbin' me
, but just in case here's a refresher on my stance.Who me??? Ribbin'???
And fyi to all...
What Frisky and Picasso have in common is they both went through their "blue period"...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picasso's_Blue_Period
Ya may come for football, but ya gets art history for free...
Only reason I went with Flacco was that the three, prior season starters for the Ravens were: Boller/ McNair/ Boller, neither of whom were on the '08 roster. Bouman and Smith backed up Flacco in '08, so it seemed obvious they were looking for a starter in a hurry and committed to him. So, ready or not, with a tight leash in place, they started him...
IIRC -- and i may not be...this will come as a huge shocker to nearly all but Mik may perhaps be correct that I could have possibly dabbled in the occasional bad trip...but most were pretty great to be honest -- but that offseason the ravens had very high hopes for Troy Smith and it appeared they intended to have he and Flacco compete for the start.
And yes, the 1st rounder was projected to win the battle and hopefully be the starter but the fact they took Smith at all shows even a savvy evaluator like Ozzy understands there are no guarantees in the NFL.
Troy was actually ahead early but then came down with a really bad flu...Flacco surpassed him and never let up after that and the rest is history.
And fyi to all...
What Frisky and Picasso have in common is they both went through their "blue period"...
well upon 1st glance i had mistaken the "rimshot" for a "Ding! Ding!" and thought it answered. later on when google provided no results to confirm whether or not Picasso too in fact "had a bucket"...i was pretty much stumped.
fwiw blue is my favorite color. green got bumped out when I moved to Denver...talk about deep blue skies. !! until i acclimated to it every day looked almost fake..."unreal" is a better word...which over time has admittedly ruined "less blue" sea level vistages for me a bit. such is a life of excess. moderation...the antidote to overdose.
and yet another aside>>i only hope if Des sees my avatar he can take a joke. lol
i think he will have a huge season this year at DE and love that he's on the team...but that pic was just too outrageous to not wear for a bit. Des-head photoshoppers have some of the best work out there since the katrina "looter" imo. no idea why either...besides it being a hilarious mugshot of course!
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Watching StocktonShorts crush skulls on this thread reminds me of that hypothetical about how many six year olds you could take-out at one time in a no-holds barred brawl.
Watching StocktonShorts crush skulls on this thread reminds me of that hypothetical about how many six year olds you could take-out at one time in a no-holds barred brawl.
uh, really?
what WWE match are you watching. stocktonshorts is stephanie mcmahon and we are the legion of doom.
bangobango why don't you go jumpojumpo of a bridgeo bridgeo? and take stockton with ya, you 2 scooter pie beotches.
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He's a brick wall that's playing a broken record. He'll spin what you say. Just give it up. Dude is dense or trolling.
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someone had mentioned to me that it might be johnny himself.
that would be sad. like his 3 plays in the first half.
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