***Official Browns @ Lions Preseason Game Night Thread***

beare

manziel looked as good if not better then hoyer tonight and was playing with 2nd string o line.

thenew23

@beare said:
manziel looked as good if not better then hoyer tonight and was playing with 2nd string o line.

Agreed. I saw no reason to put Hoyer ahead at this point... and i am definitely not a "JF bandwagon fan", I am a lifelong Browns fan. Before the draft, I said Manziel wasnt even worth a 3rd round pick, but I'll admit when im wrong and this time I think i was wrong... this kid looks like he COULD be real good... why waste time starting a career backup when we have a potential superstar waiting to get in there? Ego is the only answer i can think of...

TXDawg

@usfbrown said:
Need some cheese with that wine?

No whine here, just making fun of the hyperbolic rhetoric coming from those making fun of manziel "fanboys". It seems hoyer has his share of fanboys as well.

Both qbs did alright. Miles fcked hoyer, manziel was playing with the 4's it seemed.

IMO Manziel won this round because tie goes to potential.

TXDawg

@miktoxic said:

so what team is it exactly you root for?

let me guess..........texas something?

go rope a baby seal and curb crush it's head dick bag.

Lol. I'm not going to claim the browns as "my" team. That wouldn't be fair to you guys..

But they are the only nfl team I pay attention to.

Osiris

@thenew23 said:
Agreed. I saw no reason to put Hoyer ahead at this point... and i am definitely not a "JF bandwagon fan", I am a lifelong Browns fan. Before the draft, I said Manziel wasnt even worth a 3rd round pick, but I'll admit when im wrong and this time I think i was wrong... this kid looks like he COULD be real good... why waste time starting a career backup when we have a potential superstar waiting to get in there? Ego is the only answer i can think of...

Had the pleasure of watching the game at Ford Field. I have to admit, the vibe in the stadium totally changed when Manziel got in there, and yeah, he looked better to me today too. He had a higher completion percentage and made plays with his feet. His ball placement looked better than Hoyers, too.

TXDawg

@cdl15 said:
I've counter about 6 wr drops 3 for Hoyer 3 for JF. That shit gonna get old real fast

This is the real headline. Not good.

TexasAg1969

Not much to make of anything after only one preseason game. That said it does seem to me too many dropped passes. WR looks like the weakness we all thought might be the case.

Depth in the O-line is also pretty obviously a weakness. Given the short amount of time JM had each play I'd say he showed up better than many expected. We'll see next week whan he is with the 1's whether there is marked improvement. Not sure why they use the pistol since he rarely ran that before. If they are going to do something different for him then they should have used the spread with one good all around back in the backfield with him that can run, block or catch and that he can move where he wants him depending upon the D he sees.

D looks good but will be even better when Gilbert is ready. I like D line depth and the rook LB is gonna be a great one.

Osiris

@texasag1969 said:

Not much to make of anything after only one preseason game. That said it does seem to me too many dropped passes. WR looks like the weakness we all thought might be the case.

Depth in the O-line is also pretty obviously a weakness. Given the short amount of time JM had each play I'd say he showed up better than many expected. We'll see next week whan he is with the 1's whether there is marked improvement. Not sure why they use the pistol since he rarely ran that before. If they are going to do something different for him then they should have used the spread with one good all around back in the backfield with him that can run, block or catch and that he can move where he wants him depending upon the D he sees.

D looks good but will be even better when Gilbert is ready. I like D line depth and the rook LB is gonna be a great one.

Kirksey was great. Around the ball at all times.

ATMBROWNS

Johnny looks like he has put on more weight. And a step slower then he was in College.

hoorta

@stocktonshorts said:
Pay most attention to penalties with the younger players. Those are a good indication how comfortable/confident they are out there.

Cut McFadden now. And send Thigpen along with him.

@soju said:
The mods got butthurt because I came in with sobering judgment about how the past Browns played. I was said to have been ALWAYS NEGATIVE. Hence the negative nancy avatar that they applied and locked to my name. Eh i dont care, its just a picture.

I'll see if I can get Zombo to relent on the Avatar.

@txdawg said:
If that's what you want, then you got the wrong guy. His running ability is emergency chord not a gameplan

Announcers said he took off with guys wide open- the same criticism I leveled at him at A&M. JF admitted he made some mistakes.

@everlastingxxx said:
Exciting start for Manziel. Very happy.

Some boogers think I have a personal vendetta against Manziel- well, I don't. He did play well in his first outing.

@cdl15 said:
Seriously. Qbs are throwing for 5000+ yrds and 50+ TDs a year. And the nfl is becoming more stringent on what corners can do???? What a fucking joke

You are not kidding- 5,000 yards passing is going to become the norm with the no-touchie rule.

Gips

We once again have a mediocre starting line up with no talent or depth on the second/third teams..

If pettine starts mr delicate (hoyer) with the second team guys during the pre-season he will not make it to start in the pukesburg game..

Yet again the lack of capability on either side of the ball and the obvious lack of coaching disipline with the second team thusfar is downright scary..

Manziel looked like colt mccoy 2.0 and saying the second team offensive line looked leaky was a severe understatement..

Pettine looks like a white copy of romeo crennel on the sideline while kyle shanahan looked more like the head coach another zombie dud defensive coach?

Hoping for a 5 win season may be asking to much of this bunch..

DieHardBrownsFan

You sure make a hell of a lot of judgements after one pre-season game. Of course GIPS has always been an asshole.

miktoxic

i was going to say......guy sounds like an asshole.

was he watching the same game everyone else was. lack of capability, on defense, really? you know Detroits offense is pretty good right? and for a couple of solo gaffs by certain players i thought they did above average,

ehh?

cambridgeho

My take, As the season goes on, our run game is going to be beastly. Tate has to hold on to the rock though. We have 2nd team Dline that is just as good as the starters. Also, how good is the Bryant kid, the guy was always in the back field, what a find he was last year. Our offense was without Cameron, so I am not to worried about the WR's. if Gordon is gone then we may be in a little trouble. I was overall happy with the QB's, a few high passes, but overall not bad. I do have to say though, Manziel needs to slide feet first in stead of head first.

utzie

I was really impressed with the way Taylor Gabriel played. He was a decent return man and seemed to run some crisp routes and watch open a lot for Manziel.

Charles Johnson also looked pretty good once he got into the open field, although I do think I remember him having one bad drop.

Tour2ma

Well for a good bit of the thread it was like I was watching a replay... and then the QB battle broke out...

I watched last nite as a fan, so only have a couple impressions to share at this point. I will breakdown the recording today or tomorrow... with the sound down because...

My first game impression was that Solomon Wilcotts was in mid-season form. I was so looking forward to the Detroit announcers in the 2nd half, but no... it was Solomon all the way. Don't know if I can handle any more of his inane color commentary.

My second game impression was that absolutely nothing happened to change the QB competition.

My third game impression was that we have a ways to go in all facets of the game. I was expecting better...

USFBrown

@tour2ma said:

Well for a good bit of the thread it was like I was watching a replay... and then the QB battle broke out...

I watched last nite as a fan, so only have a couple impressions to share at this point. I will breakdown the recording today or tomorrow... with the sound down because...

My first game impression was that Solomon Wilcotts was in mid-season form. I was so looking forward to the Detroit announcers in the 2nd half, but no... it was Solomon all the way. Don't know if I can handle any more of his inane color commentary.

My second game impression was that absolutely nothing happened to change the QB competition.

My third game impression was that we have a ways to go in all facets of the game. I was expecting better...

Lol! Yes I was a little disappointed. The only place we have depth is at d line. Other than that if we lose a starter we're screwed.

I saw a ton of blitzing last night by the browns. Usually its just a vanilla defense for preseason but I guess pettine wants to use all this time to get the guys into the system.

I do think our running game will be improved. God knows it can't get worse.

Browns149

@usfbrown said:

Lol! Yes I was a little disappointed. The only place we have depth is at d line. Other than that if we lose a starter we're screwed.

I saw a ton of blitzing last night by the browns. Usually its just a vanilla defense for preseason but I guess pettine wants to use all this time to get the guys into the system.

I do think our running game will be improved. God knows it can't get worse.

I didn't understand all the blitzing either.

The running game can't be any worse then last year for sure

And the QB play can't do anything but improve.

Tour2ma

@jockitch said:

You've been reading this board enough to know they are going with the local career backup, while hedging by saying Manziel needs time.

That way, when he eventually takes over, which is what you plan to do when you move up to take a QB in the 1st round, they can say "oh we were on board with Johnny all the time".

Mikey? That you?

@texasag1969 said:
We'll see next week whan he is with the 1's whether there is marked improvement.

IF that's still the plan... Pettine seemed genuinely pissed when asked about that report in the postgame...

"I haven't seen that report. That decision has not been made yet."

I think the above is close to a true quote. Not sure because it was edited out of the video on the Browns web site.

TexasAg1969

Tour-That seemed to be exactly what he said. That does not mean he closed the door, just that he had not decided yet. The reporter who said that he was told JM would start with the 1's did not attribute it to Pettine, just someone in the Brown's organization. Obviously it wasn't the HC.