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  • Weeden and McCoy generally looked good in the preseason for us too. They both still suck.

  • @everlastingxxx said:

    I dont agree that preseason is meaningless. I think you can get hints of what will happen during the season.

    The flip side is if a player stinks it up in the preseason, the bust labels come flying out. If they do well and...oh its just preseason.

    Agree... In preseason hints are there, on the tape. Where they are not, in the stats.

    All we can effectively evaluate at home are the lines, the RBs and, to an extent, the LBs because they are on our tape from snap to either end of play or the ball is away.

    We cannot effectively evaluate QBs, WRs and DBs... for that we need wide shots. Normally we only see those during replay teaching moments when our color commentator du jour wants to strut his stuff...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • Weeden has the arm to be a great qb but lacks the wit. He's just dumb and plays scares. He makes same mistakes over and over again. You can't fix stupid!

    Love him getting caught under the flag.

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  • WalterWhiteW WalterWhite

    Manziel is going to put on a fucking show tonight.

    @walterwhite said:

    Manziel is going to put on a fucking show tonight.

    I hope not. I hope he plays a good game of football! I've seen enough of his "shows" already!

  • ComeonmanC Comeonman

    Yawn...... How did Kosar do?

    @comeonman said:

    Yawn...... How did Kosar do?

    Well since our boy Dick is reporting on the past. Keep it rolling with wheres Ty Detmer hes got to be 4th string somewhere. How bout K. Holcomb, one year wonder, and the list goes on...

  • @everlastingxxx said:

    I think the quarterback position is difficult to evaluate during the preseason. The defenses dont gameplan and so many players are held out these days. Things that us armchair generals can look for are pocket presence. I was not a fan of Bridgewater and you saw his lack of pocket presence in his first preseason game. Its a trait that great quarterbacks have naturally. Manziel has excellent pocket presence. I think you have to see basic accuracy and how he runs the huddle and the tempo of the game.

    Side note: Blake Bortles was impressive. You could see some good qualities.

    Agree.. you can get a sense of a QB. Just saying that with out the full field view you cannot evaluate the reads or lack thereof and IMO that is what matters most in the NFL.

    I disagree about Manziel's (shocker, I'm sure) pocket presense. Like most running QBs, I think he bails far to easily... but we shall see tonite.

    I have not watched Bridgewater's Vikes debut as yet, but did watch most of the Jags/ Bucs game this AM.

    Both starting QBs, McCown/ Henne, looked "dull" with McCown making the worst single throw of the nite, a classic back-footed INT.

    Both 2nd teamers, Glennon/ Bortles, looked sharper... much more decisive in their throws.

    I came away thinking that the Jags will be hard-pressed to stick to their QB plan.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • WOOF WOOF

  • Weeden and McCoy always do well in the preseason. They shit to bed during the regular season.

    Ruining threads since 1897.

  • preseason<worthless

  • VesnaKociper said:

    This is the dumbest thing ever posted on TBB.

    Weeden? McCoy?

    Hey, let's just give them both the Lombardi, admit we were wrong, and move the franchise to Fargo.

    Weeden is a Loser, McCoy is a nice guy, but still a loser.

    The world is surely going to end because I agree with Ghoulie on this lol!!!

    By the way ..................... is a Dick Mellon something like a cantaloupe??

  • Nine Browns starting QB's, past, present and future, after preseason week one, listed by passer rating in descending order.

    1. Colt McCoy – 8/9 – 102 yards – 1 TD – 0 INT – 150.9 rating

    2. Derek Anderson – 5/7 -- 65 yards – 1 TD – 0 INT – 139.9 rating (10 yards rushing)

    3. Brandon Weeden -- 13/17 – 107 yards – 1 TD – 0 INT – 111.6 rating (10 yards rushing)

    4. Bruce Gradkowski – 8/12 – 66 yards – 0 TD – 0 INT -- 80.6 rating

    5. Johnny Football -- 7/11 – 63 yards – 0 TD – 0 INT – 79.0 rating (27 yards rushing)

    6. Brian Hoyer – 6/14 – 92 yards – 0 TD -- 0 INT – 65.2 rating

    7. Thad Lewis -- 16/27 – 150 yards – 0 TD – 1 INT – 59.2 rating

    8. Jason Campbell – 6/15 – 72 yards -- 2 TD – 2 INT – 55.4 Rating

    9. Luke McCown – 7/10 – 49 yards – 0 TD – 1 INT – 41.2 Rating

    Consider the Ravens, They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable are you to God than the Ravens? Book of Luke, Chapter 12, Verse 24.
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  • I think of a Dick Mellon as an extension of sorts for the un-endowed

  • Dick MellonD Dick Mellon

    Nine Browns starting QB's, past, present and future, after preseason week one, listed by passer rating in descending order.

    1. Colt McCoy – 8/9 – 102 yards – 1 TD – 0 INT – 150.9 rating

    2. Derek Anderson – 5/7 -- 65 yards – 1 TD – 0 INT – 139.9 rating (10 yards rushing)

    3. Brandon Weeden -- 13/17 – 107 yards – 1 TD – 0 INT – 111.6 rating (10 yards rushing)

    4. Bruce Gradkowski – 8/12 – 66 yards – 0 TD – 0 INT -- 80.6 rating

    5. Johnny Football -- 7/11 – 63 yards – 0 TD – 0 INT – 79.0 rating (27 yards rushing)

    6. Brian Hoyer – 6/14 – 92 yards – 0 TD -- 0 INT – 65.2 rating

    7. Thad Lewis -- 16/27 – 150 yards – 0 TD – 1 INT – 59.2 rating

    8. Jason Campbell – 6/15 – 72 yards -- 2 TD – 2 INT – 55.4 Rating

    9. Luke McCown – 7/10 – 49 yards – 0 TD – 1 INT – 41.2 Rating

    @dick-mellon said:

    6. Brian Hoyer 6/14 92 yards 0 TD -- 0 INT 65.2 rating

    Wrong! 2013 Preseason Game 1 vs. Rams...

    Brian Hoyer 10/14 100 yards 1 TD -- 0 INT 115.2 rating

    ... but in fairness Wheezy also had a better game than the one Dickie listd...

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @dick-mellon said:

    6. Brian Hoyer 6/14 92 yards 0 TD -- 0 INT 65.2 rating

    Wrong! 2013 Preseason Game 1 vs. Rams...

    Brian Hoyer 10/14 100 yards 1 TD -- 0 INT 115.2 rating

    ... but in fairness Wheezy also had a better game than the one Dickie listd...

    @tour2ma said:

    Wrong! 2013 Preseason Game 1 vs. Rams...

    Brian Hoyer 10/14 100 yards 1 TD -- 0 INT 115.2 rating

    ... but in fairness Wheezy also had a better game than the one Dickie listd...

    Pretty sure the list was referring to all of their stats so far in the 2014 preseason...

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  • Dick MellonD Dick Mellon

    @stocktonshorts said:

    Good reminder that you shouldn't pay too much attention to preseason games.

    Discussions as such are not new for me.

    Please forgive me, in that I look at these games from the perspective of a coach, rather than that of a fan.

    I love the preseason, in that we get to see guys play that we otherwise rarely see.

    I also love the human interest perspective of guys fighting for a job and a very good job at that.

    The preseason should be very special to Browns fans coz yinz can see so many former Browns startng QB's.

    We have thus far seen:

    Weeded

    McCoy

    Campbell

    Lewis

    Stay tuned for:

    Luke McCown

    Bruce Gradkowski

    Derek Anderson

    Seneca Wallace? (last I checked he was waiting for his phone to ring)

    @dick-mellon said:

    Discussions as such are not new for me.

    Please forgive me, in that I look at these games from the perspective of a coach, rather than that of a fan.

    I love the preseason, in that we get to see guys play that we otherwise rarely see.

    I also love the human interest perspective of guys fighting for a job and a very good job at that.

    The preseason should be very special to Browns fans coz yinz can see so many former Browns startng QB's.

    We have thus far seen:

    Weeded

    McCoy

    Campbell

    Lewis

    Stay tuned for:

    Luke McCown

    Bruce Gradkowski

    Derek Anderson

    Seneca Wallace? (last I checked he was waiting for his phone to ring)

    Well, I guess that from a coaches perspective, you still have to evaluate those who will be your 3rd string QBs.

  • U utzie

    @tour2ma said:

    Wrong! 2013 Preseason Game 1 vs. Rams...

    Brian Hoyer 10/14 100 yards 1 TD -- 0 INT 115.2 rating

    ... but in fairness Wheezy also had a better game than the one Dickie listd...

    Pretty sure the list was referring to all of their stats so far in the 2014 preseason...

    @utzie said:

    Pretty sure the list was referring to all of their stats so far in the 2014 preseason...

    Well.. in that case nevermind...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • Not, nevermind, go ahead and list Weeden and McCoys preseason stats from when they played for us. Then maybe the op will realize how pointless this thread is.

  • Newsflash: And now there are ten.

    Brady Quinn signed by Miami.

    Consider the Ravens, They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable are you to God than the Ravens? Book of Luke, Chapter 12, Verse 24.

  • I cant think of one single player at any position that has left the Browns and had success anywhere else recently.....TJ Ward may break that trend, but he isnt off to a good start.

  • Flyin JF Flyin J

    I cant think of one single player at any position that has left the Browns and had success anywhere else recently.....TJ Ward may break that trend, but he isnt off to a good start.

    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    I cant think of one single player at any position that has left the Browns and had success anywhere else recently.....TJ Ward may break that trend, but he isnt off to a good start.

    Not since 1999 anyway. Prior to that, yes, a few ex-Browns did well. E-Rock with the Raiders. Greg Pruitt with the Raiders. A WR that went to Jax....Keenan McCardell.

    Although some say that Big Money did better elsewhere when he left here. Maybe he did about the same as he did here, its just that his expectations here were higher for him than elsewhere.

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