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Starting to think we should of drafted Watkins

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  • WalterWhiteW WalterWhite

    @gftchris said:

    Watkins is going to be great, but so is Gilbert IMO. Maybe he takes half a season to settle in - fine, we've got our lockdown corners for 5 years, and that position is much more important to our scheme than WR.

    True, it really just depends what happens with Gordon.

    I know an elite receiver doesn't always carry a team to the Super Bowl, but it'd be nice.

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #17

    @walterwhite said:

    True, it really just depends what happens with Gordon.

    I know an elite receiver doesn't always carry a team to the Super Bowl, but it'd be nice.

    If any receiver ever would, it'd be Megatron, but even with him the Lions have been pretty poor. Even with Stafford, their No1 overall pick. Even with Gordon last year, and his record breaking season, we weren't much because we couldn't run and didn't have a D. But on the other hand, a strong D and good run game got the hawks and 49ers a long way. All of our picks this year, outside of Mnaziel were about getting a solid D and a good run game - Gilbert, Kirksey, Desir on D, Bitonio & West on O.

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on
    #18

    How do you already know there will be no superstar WRs next year? Or thatWatkins will be a superstar?

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #19

    I was as big a Watkins backer as anyone here. I think he is an exceptional prospect.

    I also did not expect Khalil Mack to fall to us, and was hoping to hear his name.

    That said, it took me about 1 second to like the trade with Buffalo.

    Josh may lose some time this year, but I am 70-negative-test encouraged that he has a long-term future with us.

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  • WalterWhiteW WalterWhite

    @londonbrown said:

    You're never just a WR away from winning, I wanted Watkins at first but went full circle.

    We got a great trade out of Buffalo.

    If Gilbert is as good as advertised and our pick next year, then yes.

    If Watkins goes on to have a hall of fame career, then no we didn't.

    Time will tell.

    Tim Couch Pulls OutT Tim Couch Pulls Out wrote on
    #20

    @walterwhite said:

    If Gilbert is as good as advertised and our pick next year, then yes.

    If Watkins goes on to have a hall of fame career, then no we didn't.

    Time will tell.

    If Gilbert has a hall of fame career and so does Watkins, we'll have won the trade.

    If Gilbert is even a top 10 corner for the duration of his career and Watkins has a hall of fame career, we'll still have won the trade.

    Anything less than that and we'll have lost the trade.

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #21

    the biggest dent in watkin's young career is going to be his QB.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    the biggest dent in watkin's young career is going to be his QB.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #22

    @miktoxic said:

    the biggest dent in watkin's young career is going to be his QB.

    Unlike if he was with us? 😉

    EJ actually looked decent in the Bills 2nd Preseason game against what should be a good Panthers' D.

    But even if he develops, the Bills are definitely looking to feature the run game again and that will hurt Sammie's numbers.

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  • miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #23

    i didn't see or hear much about the second game, but to hear watkins and EJ didn't hook up for ONE pass/catch must have been concerning for bill's nation i'm sure.

    i still don't see in any stats from the first 2 games that watkins has made a catch yet in a game. sure there are posts on the internet of him making spectacular catches in practice.

    but we talking about 'practice'.

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  • SuomiS Suomi

    3 Years from now Gilbert will join Haden as one of the league's top-10 corners.

    The Browns' defense will be a nasty top-5 squad.

    A drug-free Gordon will be paired with a solid #2 WR, along with Baby Hawk and Pro-Bowler Jordan Cameron.

    The running game will be one of the league's most consistent ground attacks.

    Brian Hoyer will be the premiere game manager and lead the Browns to an AFC Championship.

    Cleveland will own the AFC North.

    KvoetheK Kvoethe wrote on
    #24

    @suomi said:

    3 Years from now Gilbert will join Haden as one of the league's top-10 corners.The Browns' defense will be a nasty top-5 squad.A drug-free Gordon will be paired with a solid #2 WR, along with Baby Hawk and Pro-Bowler Jordan Cameron.The running game will be one of the league's most consistent ground attacks.Brian Hoyer will be the premiere game manager and lead the Browns to an AFC Championship.Cleveland will own the AFC North.

    I want what your smoking!

  • SuomiS Suomi

    3 Years from now Gilbert will join Haden as one of the league's top-10 corners.

    The Browns' defense will be a nasty top-5 squad.

    A drug-free Gordon will be paired with a solid #2 WR, along with Baby Hawk and Pro-Bowler Jordan Cameron.

    The running game will be one of the league's most consistent ground attacks.

    Brian Hoyer will be the premiere game manager and lead the Browns to an AFC Championship.

    Cleveland will own the AFC North.

    A Adoug319 wrote on
    #25

    @suomi said:

    3 Years from now Gilbert will join Haden as one of the league's top-10 corners.

    The Browns' defense will be a nasty top-5 squad.

    A drug-free Gordon will be paired with a solid #2 WR, along with Baby Hawk and Pro-Bowler Jordan Cameron.

    The running game will be one of the league's most consistent ground attacks.

    Brian Hoyer will be the premiere game manager and lead the Browns to an AFC Championship.

    Cleveland will own the AFC North.

    We won't be able to keep everybody, especially if Manziel pans out, he's gonna want his money...

    I see Cameron gone within 3 years

    Our priorities are going to be Manziel (if he becomes the franchise qb) and Gordon. We already paid up for Haden long term.

    My gut feeling is that Cameron will be gone, back to Cali

  • thenew23T thenew23 wrote on
    #26

    Rookie WRs rarely do much to help their teams. And truly, WR's, just like RB's, aren't worth an early 1st round pick. They don't impact their teams as much as people think. It's nice to have a good one, but it's all about having a consistent QB who spreads the ball around, an O-Line who can run block, and a D-line that can stuff the run and turn the other team one dimensional, and a pass-rush-coverage combo that stops teams on 3rd down. Of those 4 things, a "stud WR" is not really necessary and hasn't gotten anybody a Super Bowl in the recent past...

    Trivia - Of the last 10 SB champs, how many started a WR who THEY drafted in the top 25?

    FYI - Plaxico for the Giants, and Harvin for the Seahawks don't count b/c they were traded/released by the team who drafted them...

    #Justsayin'
  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    i didn't see or hear much about the second game, but to hear watkins and EJ didn't hook up for ONE pass/catch must have been concerning for bill's nation i'm sure.

    i still don't see in any stats from the first 2 games that watkins has made a catch yet in a game. sure there are posts on the internet of him making spectacular catches in practice.

    but we talking about 'practice'.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #27

    Not sure I agree about WR as early 1's, but in any case there are exceptions to every rule... I just happen to think Sammie is one of those exceptions.

    @miktoxic said:

    i didn't see or hear much about the second game, but to hear watkins and EJ didn't hook up for ONE pass/catch must have been concerning for bill's nation i'm sure.

    i still don't see in any stats from the first 2 games that watkins has made a catch yet in a game. sure there are posts on the internet of him making spectacular catches in practice.

    Sammie caught 3 for 21 in game 2. I know at least one was from E.J. and want to say that all three were, but just remember one.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #28

    Had to post this lil tidbit...

    Sure... was only one-on-one, but still...

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  • Harry BuffaloH Harry Buffalo wrote on
    #29

    Skrine has a thumb injury that may require surgery. His best outlook is that he won't be ready to play till WK 1, and I think that is if he doesn't need surgery. So the Gilbert pick looks alot better at this moment.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Had to post this lil tidbit...

    Sure... was only one-on-one, but still...

    VagitronV Vagitron wrote on
    #30

    @tour2ma said:

    Had to post this lil tidbit...

    Sure... was only one-on-one, but still...

    Lew toller, probably won't even make the team. Sick route either way and he would have smoked 98% of the corners in the league with that route.

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  • KvoetheK Kvoethe wrote on
    #31

    Left game early with rib injury

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  • Z Zombo wrote on
    #32

    Still hasn't caught a pass, can't stay healthy. Super Bust!

    Seriously though, EJ Manuel looking like crap, Bills could be in trouble.

    Zombo

  • Z Zombo

    Still hasn't caught a pass, can't stay healthy. Super Bust!

    Seriously though, EJ Manuel looking like crap, Bills could be in trouble.

    Zombo

    ComeonmanC Comeonman wrote on
    #33

    Zombo said:

    Still hasn't caught a pass, can't stay healthy. Super Bust!

    Seriously though, EJ Manuel looking like crap, Bills could be in trouble.

    Zombo

    #1 overall baby
  • ComeonmanC Comeonman

    Zombo said:

    Still hasn't caught a pass, can't stay healthy. Super Bust!

    Seriously though, EJ Manuel looking like crap, Bills could be in trouble.

    Zombo

    #1 overall baby
    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #34

    @comeonman said:

    #1 overall baby

    Sure. Why not? Who would you take?

    Here are the current choices:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2015

  • ComeonmanC Comeonman wrote on
    #35

    If one of our QBs pans out I would pull a STL and try to get three 1st out of it

  • ComeonmanC Comeonman

    If one of our QBs pans out I would pull a STL and try to get three 1st out of it

    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on
    #36

    @comeonman said:

    If one of our QBs pans out I would pull a STL and try to get three 1st out of it

    ^This. Someone's gonna give up a lot for mariota or winston if he comes out.

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