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Is Schwartz that bad or Kerrigan that good?

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  • Clevfan4life C Banned Very Popular
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    C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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    Kerrigan didn't even have his hand in the ground on one of those sacks where he bulled Schwartz like a bitch. Everybody's saying this is just preseason but something tells me that Ryan Kerrigan would have had a highlight day if this was a couple games into the season. He'd better clean that technique up by the start of the season. If not you all can bet that the Texans line up Clowney as the left OLB on the 16th of Nov. If our o line play goes as it did last year I'm not even gonna watch that game cause you can bet Watt is gonna shifted over the right guard too. Anybody remember a few years ago that game between the 9'ers and Chicago where the Bears o line was helpless against Aldon and Justin Smith? Watt and Clowney may embarrass the Browns O line worse than that. Record for most sacks in a game is 12, if that right side is as bad as it was last year 12 sacks will look like a solid protection effort in comparison.

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    • Gips GipsG
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      GipsG Gips wrote on last edited by
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      Schwartz and Greco are the weak links on the offensive line..

      I am far from impressed with either of them..

      We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS!
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        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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        His first 2 seasons, schwartz has started terribly, then become more solid as the season progressed. For example last year, he allow something ridiculous like 7 sacks in the first 4 games, then maybe 4-5 in the next 12. I don't remember/can't find the exact numbers, but it's that ball park. If he can start at that level, not just finish, then he's very solid. If he has another up and down season, we might be looking for a top draft pick to play RT for 5 years, then take over from Thomas maybe.

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          cdl15C cdl15 wrote on last edited by
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          Again just another player that is what in his 3rd? 4th? different coach since joining the Browns. Hard to get a feel for a position that way. Thats what makes Joe Thomas so good.

          "We are Americans. We don't quit doing something because it's wrong. We just keep doing the wrong thing till it turns out right." Browns maybe the most American Football team ever.
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            T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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            Slow footwork makes easy pickings in the NFL. So far i am not impressed.

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            • LondonBrown L Dedicated Conversation Starter Reacting Well Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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              L LondonBrown wrote on last edited by
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              I felt like I was shouting at my laptop "f***ing Schwartz" all last year I dont think he's very good at all

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              • Clevfan4life C Banned Very Popular
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                C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                It is our most glaring year to year weakness yet we never fix it. Everybody wants the best new shiny qb in the draft but we never build anything to protect them first. It's comically ridiculous.

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                  miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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                  right side of the OL fucking SUKZZZZZZ!!

                  i'd do an anti-ghoolie and pick OL within first 2 rounds every year.

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                    It is our most glaring year to year weakness yet we never fix it. Everybody wants the best new shiny qb in the draft but we never build anything to protect them first. It's comically ridiculous.

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                    gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                    @clevfan4life said:

                    It is our most glaring year to year weakness yet we never fix it. Everybody wants the best new shiny qb in the draft but we never build anything to protect them first. It's comically ridiculous.

                    Most glaring weakness year to year? You wouldn't maybe call that QB?

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                      C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                      What choice do we have if we can't get a top talent in FA? Have to do it through the draft.

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                        @clevfan4life said:

                        It is our most glaring year to year weakness yet we never fix it. Everybody wants the best new shiny qb in the draft but we never build anything to protect them first. It's comically ridiculous.

                        Most glaring weakness year to year? You wouldn't maybe call that QB?

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                        C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                        QB is a very close 2nd. If our line didn't suck and the qb's were still as terrible as they have been..than I would put that first. It's hard to put it all of our qb woes completely on the qb's since 99 because with the exception of maybe one year, ain't none of em had time to do anything besides get killed. I am thoroughly convinced that Peyton Manning would have lasted 2-3 years in the NFL had he been drafted by the Browns. You can take the best qb's in the league and if you put them behind our O line they will be avg at best. Than factor in the appalling drop rates of our receivers and you can see where this is going. A qb that has to get rid of the ball quickly and receivers who don't feel like catching much if it requires a whole lot of extra effort out of em.

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                        Most glaring weakness year to year? You wouldn't maybe call that QB?

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                        • The Gipper The GipperT In Memoriam Very Popular
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                          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                          The Schwartz will be fine. WE have far weaker links than he.

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                            The Schwartz will be fine. WE have far weaker links than he.

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                            C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                            I hoper you're right but you do know he's going to go up against far far better this year than Ryan Kerrigan right? Suggs comes to mind...he usually lines up over JT but you can bet your ass Blt will put him on the other side. By the time we play Indy Mathis should be off his suspension so that's the best OLB in the league. Like I said if the season isn't going well I'm not even going to watch the Houston game because Watt and Clowney are going to be put on the left side of their D line. I'm really not sure what is a "far" weaker link than our O line. Because if the O line is good which gives the qb time, he has a better chance of making those breadbasket throws that apparently are the only passes our wr'ers are willing to hold on to. We could have better qb and wr play but if that right side is gonna fold like it did last year.....it doesn't matter who's playing qb for us if he as 1.5-2 seconds to throw the ball. Secondary's will be jumping all of our quick routes the whole season. This isn't hyperbole this is what we all witnessed last year....right?

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                            The Schwartz will be fine. WE have far weaker links than he.

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                              chocoC choco wrote on last edited by
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                              Good god...every one of your threads picks out a single player and overemphasizes a play or 2. Yet, you never say anything they have done well.

                              Pretty sad schtick actually. Your a fucking baffoon demanding perfect play every game....including preseason.

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                                Good god...every one of your threads picks out a single player and overemphasizes a play or 2. Yet, you never say anything they have done well.

                                Pretty sad schtick actually. Your a fucking baffoon demanding perfect play every game....including preseason.

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                                C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                                @choco said:

                                Good god...every one of your threads picks out a single player and overemphasizes a play or 2. Yet, you never say anything they have done well.

                                Pretty sad schtick actually. Your a fucking baffoon demanding perfect play every game....including preseason.

                                So a porous right side to the offensive line isn't a recurring theme over the years? I'm not picking out a couple plays dude get a hold of yourself. This has been going on for years. And frankly offensive line play can't afford to be lax even in preseason because it's not like defensive players aren't trying to lower the hammer on a qb in preseason. Be serious now. Have you forgotten what happened in Miami opening day last year? You know we play Pgh and Blt upfront right?

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                                  Good god...every one of your threads picks out a single player and overemphasizes a play or 2. Yet, you never say anything they have done well.

                                  Pretty sad schtick actually. Your a fucking baffoon demanding perfect play every game....including preseason.

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                                  C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                                  @choco said:

                                  Yet, you never say anything they have done well.

                                  The only other player I've really ever singled out was Paul Kruger for his lackluster edge rush, but I always admitted he was tough against the run last year. Possibly one of the best OLB'ers against the run 1 year separated from being rated as one of the worst. But his bad outside rush technique cost us a lot of sacks last year, it's just a fact. In any case your above statement is categorically false I really am not sure why you made it. Puzzling.

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                                    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                                    I'm no Schwartz fan, but actually Kerrigan is pretty good... He has averaged 8+ sacks/yr each of his 1st 3-years.

                                    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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                                      IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown wrote on last edited by
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                                      I just want him to be good so l can have an excuse to lay out some Spaceballs quotes.

                                      May the Schwartz be with you.

                                      There, l'm good now.

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                                        chocoC choco wrote on last edited by choco
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                                        http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=29979

                                        On the opposite side of my reply topic coin.....

                                        http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=29974

                                        Just the first page man...

                                        So forgive me for think you perhaps overreact a bit when during one preseason game, you demnify one player while hop on the bandwagon of another. Flavor of the week, is your opinion.

                                        While I totally agree AB needs playing time, suggesting changing the base defense is not only a completely baseless question (switching philosophy based on the emergence of a late round pick), but the question itself suggests you're not paying attention to the philosophy of pettine and O'Neil.

                                        The better question would be to ask whose snaps is AB gonna be taking, cause he's a player in this league. I'm sorry to condescend, but his knee jerk bullshit is driving me nuts. Be the best fans in football that we are and think a bit about this crazy ass shit before you post.

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                                          @choco said:

                                          Yet, you never say anything they have done well.

                                          The only other player I've really ever singled out was Paul Kruger for his lackluster edge rush, but I always admitted he was tough against the run last year. Possibly one of the best OLB'ers against the run 1 year separated from being rated as one of the worst. But his bad outside rush technique cost us a lot of sacks last year, it's just a fact. In any case your above statement is categorically false I really am not sure why you made it. Puzzling.

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                                          miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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                                          @clevfan4life said:

                                          The only other player I've really ever singled out was Paul Kruger for his lackluster edge rush

                                          PAUL KRUGER SUCKZZZ AZZZ TOO!!!!!!!!

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