Jonathan Paul Manziel
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This thread is a perfect example of the double standard. It's preseason. And it's football, not knitting class. There plenty of "fuck you's" flying around at any given moment on a football field, whether verbal or hand gesture, it's the same thing. In fact, it's no different than the "fucks" and "shits" that get bleeped out of most of today's pop music and daytime TV, or when you can clearly lip read the vulgarity that comes out of a lot of these "professionals" mouths. It doesn't really matter how it's communicated, a "fuck you" is a "fuck you", but what the real issue is here, is WHO it is coming from. When rules only apply to certain people, that is a double standard. Anyone else can get away with this without a peep from the media. The ONLY reason this is an issue, is because the networks KNOW that anything they put out on the air about JF will be watched by millions, so they find ANY reason to create DRAMA, because most of their viewers subconciously want to watch soap operas with their wives. Society has turned into a bunch of nancies, and the double standard is EXACTLY what is wrong with this country today. Personally, I like his brand of football and fiery competitiveness. If I wanted to watch a "classy" sport, I'd watch golf or tennis. Acting like football is this safe-haven for choir boys is ridiculous. And spare me the whole shtick about "he should know better" and "this proves he isn't ready". Yes, he should know better than to give the media any more ammo, but let's face it, if this were not covered by the media as a storyline, NOBODY would give a shit. It's not that people care that it happened, it's that it came from Johnny, AND it's that Browns fans are tired of being the punchline in an ongoing joke, and then you have the haters out there.
Before passing judgement on someone, look in the mirror and ask yourself if you have ever done the same before being a hypocrite and condemning this type of behavior. Not saying it is right, there is a time and place for it, but I wasn't offended by it either. I know none of you have been in JF's situation, but this is what I am talking about with the double standard. We all can sit on our internet soapbox and scold people from afar, anonymously, and act like we are sooo much better than that, but we all know that the truth is, it's mostly just jealousy. And low self-esteem. If you are embarrassed because a kid threw the bird at someone else, it's probably because your life is so lame that you have to live vicariously through a football team and when a player from your favorite team acts a certain way, it somehow reflects bad on you so you have to tear the kid down in self-preservation. THAT is LAME! I have been a fan of a losing team, but NEVER turned on the players, and NEVER felt inferior because my favorite football team wasn't winning, or when they did things that were totally classless. I know who I am, and don't need a football team to dictate my identity or validate my character as a man.For those of you saying no other QBs use that word in a football game, here are a few other prominent QB's that were listed above, giving a few fucks. It's not the bird, but the actual word that the gesture represents, which is just as bad if not worse. It's football, and if you are offended by that type of language or behavior, try a different sport. I hear ballet and figure skating needs a few fans.
Tom Brady gives a Fuck
Payton Manning gives a Fuck
Andrew Luck gives a Fuck
" rel="external nofollow">" rel="external nofollow">Ha. Harvey Dahl. That was awesome when it happened. Because it *wasn't* fucking holding.
Man I hate Jerome Boger. Nobody sucks more.
As far as Manziel flipping the bird goes. Meh. Dude's 21 and answered smack with smack. But he's gonna have to learn that what he hard from the Redskins is just the tip of the iceberg. Now that dudes know they can get in his head, it's only gonna get worse. His handlers need to pound that into his head or he needs better handlers. Personally, I thought it was funny. Reminded me of high school.
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Anyone else getting that Vibe from Haslam, Farmer, & Pettine?
I can guarantee knowing what they know now with all the off field stories, the abysmal Monday Night game, media frenzy, and all the hype they wouldn't of drafted him. I bet they would have stayed pat at 26 and taken Bridgewater or Carr. I don't know why, I'm just getting that vibe.
Anyone else getting that Vibe from Haslam, Farmer, & Pettine?
I can guarantee knowing what they know now with all the off field stories, the abysmal Monday Night game, media frenzy, and all the hype they wouldn't of drafted him. I bet they would have stayed pat at 26 and taken Bridgewater or Carr. I don't know why, I'm just getting that vibe.
They new exactly what they wanted to accomplish and they did! Was nothing but a marketing scheme to get people talking and spending money! What a scam!
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We are pretty happy with Bridgewater.
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I still like the kid but wish we had stayed at #4 and taken either Watkins or Mack. With having Hoyer on the roster and knowing Gordon was gonna get pinched for min 8 games possibly all 16...there was no excuse to pass up Watkins and if he was gone you take Khalil Mack and have him play next to Dansby for a couple years.
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walterwhite.
the king of the flip flops.
should've drafted a WR @22. and ridden out the old horses we have to pick our franchise QB with 1st pick next year........IMO.
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I still like the kid but wish we had stayed at #4 and taken either Watkins or Mack. With having Hoyer on the roster and knowing Gordon was gonna get pinched for min 8 games possibly all 16...there was no excuse to pass up Watkins and if he was gone you take Khalil Mack and have him play next to Dansby for a couple years.
I still like the kid but wish we had stayed at #4 and taken either Watkins or Mack. With having Hoyer on the roster and knowing Gordon was gonna get pinched for min 8 games possibly all 16...there was no excuse to pass up Watkins and if he was gone you take Khalil Mack and have him play next to Dansby for a couple years.
the trade and pick of gilbert was top notch. you can't deny that. sammy watkins and kahlil mack won't have the same impact on winning games as gilbert will. at 22 there were plenty of WRs still available, PLUS the trade will garner us another blue chip player next year.
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the cross-dressing fag?
a young teddy pendergrass.
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Anybody watch Hard Knocks last night and see the near fight the Texans guy got into with the Atlanta sideline? "Fuck you" was the nicest thing said.
That goes on every single play in the NFL, flipping the bird is about the most polite thing conveyed on a football field during a game. -
the cross-dressing fag?
a young teddy pendergrass.
I suppose you'd rather him roll bills in a public bathroom?
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walterwhite.
the king of the flip flops.
should've drafted a WR @22. and ridden out the old horses we have to pick our franchise QB with 1st pick next year........IMO.
walterwhite.
the king of the flip flops.
should've drafted a WR @22. and ridden out the old horses we have to pick our franchise QB with 1st pick next year........IMO.
He even changed his avatar so folks don't recognize him.
What a bitchass.
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I still like the kid but wish we had stayed at #4 and taken either Watkins or Mack. With having Hoyer on the roster and knowing Gordon was gonna get pinched for min 8 games possibly all 16...there was no excuse to pass up Watkins and if he was gone you take Khalil Mack and have him play next to Dansby for a couple years.
the trade and pick of gilbert was top notch. you can't deny that. sammy watkins and kahlil mack won't have the same impact on winning games as gilbert will. at 22 there were plenty of WRs still available, PLUS the trade will garner us another blue chip player next year.
the trade and pick of gilbert was top notch. you can't deny that. sammy watkins and kahlil mack won't have the same impact on winning games as gilbert will. at 22 there were plenty of WRs still available, PLUS the trade will garner us another blue chip player next year.
The trade was great.
The Browns should had taken Bridgewater at 22 based on that 100K QB analysis instead of a 'wreck the league' text.
Bridgewater has been everything as advertised. Live and breath football since day 1.
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I still like the kid but wish we had stayed at #4 and taken either Watkins or Mack. With having Hoyer on the roster and knowing Gordon was gonna get pinched for min 8 games possibly all 16...there was no excuse to pass up Watkins and if he was gone you take Khalil Mack and have him play next to Dansby for a couple years.
the trade and pick of gilbert was top notch. you can't deny that. sammy watkins and kahlil mack won't have the same impact on winning games as gilbert will. at 22 there were plenty of WRs still available, PLUS the trade will garner us another blue chip player next year.
I'm not against Gilbert per se....it's still to be determined. Hard to argue though that Watkins wouldn't have any impact on winning games. You can maybe make that argument with Mack even though I think long term Mack was possibly the next Ray Lewis. Watkins would have had an immediate effect. Even though I'd love to point out the drops we've had so far and that Watkins wouldn't drop shit, we've seen WR'ers come here before that never dropped anything but fuck if there isn't something in the water in Berea.
the trade and pick of gilbert was top notch. you can't deny that. sammy watkins and kahlil mack won't have the same impact on winning games as gilbert will. at 22 there were plenty of WRs still available, PLUS the trade will garner us another blue chip player next year.
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I think Pettine would rather have not had the distractions, but who could have been taken in the 1st round, competed and not have created the bulk of the current mess?
I do not think any of the Browns' brain trust are to the regret stage yet... but many have "found religion"... praying Hoyer does well enough for them to bring JM along. Just as they'd hoped all along.
If you think that is true then that should play out in a trade soon. When it doesn't happen then come back and recant the thread.
I love seeing a word for the first time here...
I think Pettine would rather have not had the distractions, but who could have been taken in the 1st round, competed and not have created the bulk of the current mess?
I do not think any of the Browns' brain trust are to the regret stage yet... but many have "found religion"... praying Hoyer does well enough for them to bring JM along. Just as they'd hoped all along.
I love seeing a word for the first time here...
LOL!
re·cantriˈkant/verbverb: recant; 3rd person present: recants; past tense: recanted; past participle: recanted; gerund or present participle: recantingsay that one no longer holds an opinion or belief, especially one considered heretical."heretics were burned if they would not recant"I'll bring the matches! Got that from 45 years with my Phi Beta Kappa Magna Cum Laude Cornelll Grad wife. Life long English teacher-hell on a little bitty ole Texian vocabulary. -
Nobody thinks this is all jumping the gun quite a bit?
I mean shouldn't Johnny at least have 1 turnover before he's the worst decision they've made? -
I was the biggest Bridgewater supporter on this board, but he told his agent he didn't want to be here. There was a report that he said he would retire if the browns were to pick him. I can't blame the f.o. for not drafting him, but Manziel was a terrible pick. I thought he was worth a gamble in the 3rd, but not only did we pick him in the first, we traded up to get him.
I'm not saying all hope is lost after 2 preseason games, he has shown some good things and I hope he proves me wrong.
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Ah, Jerrah will take him off your hands for a 5th rounder next year. Make the deal.
Of course Philly and Seattle would give up 4th rounders for a good backup in the high octane offenses they run. They are both a snap away from needing a JM. You might even get them to throw in a real RT for the O as a bonus. Hoyer's gonna need it.
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He even changed his avatar so folks don't recognize him.
What a bitchass.
Oh you fag I changed it to this.
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walterwhite.
the king of the flip flops.
should've drafted a WR @22. and ridden out the old horses we have to pick our franchise QB with 1st pick next year........IMO.
walterwhite.
the king of the flip flops.
No you fucking dummy, I just get the vibe they are regretting it.
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Isn't that just life and having a career in sports? Penalties and drops happen in every game, as far as being under the microscope and fighting for his career, well duh, he's a rookie looking to be "The Man", if that rattles him, well best he should be moving on ?
He has it way worse than any other player, even Ray Rice
He has it way worse than any other player, even Ray Rice
He has it worse because he consistently does stupid & immature stuff...all while the world is watching. Face it, Johnny is an attention hound and begs for the spotlight. He's put himself in these awkward positions completely on his own. If he was simply minding his P's and Q's, instead of being a party animal, there would be nothing to pick on and he would be just another rookie trying to make a team.....
So, let's not blame the media for simply reporting his indiscretions.....let's blame him for constantly making them....
Lastly.....Cant stand when someone acts like a f@ck up and then folks point to another f@ck up to make it seem alright.....who cares about Ray Rice and how much press he gets, cause it's not relevant to JFF.......To me, it just means there are at least 2 players out there who dont know how to act......
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So when AJ Hawk, Brian Sipe, etc does it its alright. What a bunch of bitches here. Buying into to all the drama.
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