Hoyer named starting QB
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browns have another pathetic year with hoyer as quarterback....but homey says, "i know i suck on the field, but i really excel in the off-season....."
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browns have another pathetic year with hoyer as quarterback....but homey says, "i know i suck on the field, but i really excel in the off-season....."
jayjay said:
browns have another pathetic year with hoyer as quarterback....but homey says, "i know i suck on the field, but i really excel in the off-season....."
that remains to be seen. Hoyer is probably still the best option if our O line is giving the qb 1.7 seconds to throw the ball.
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in any case, Hoyer is the guy I'd rather have mentoring JF....not fucking Rex Grossman. Hoyer has at least tasted a pro offensive environment with New England.
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i guess going 3 and out all the time and scoring zero touchdowns is what the browns' management calls "earning it."
jayjay said:
i guess going 3 and out all the time and scoring zero touchdowns is what the browns' management calls "earning it."
I don't consider failure to grasp the playbook earning it either.
Its not the incumbents task to keep down the competition....its the competitions task to unseat the incumbent.
But continue your diatribe of excuses. Its quite amusing to see the vitriol of the sad manzealots.
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After Shurmur and Chud, it's nice to finally have a coach that has balls big enough to make the tough decisions. He did not bow to media and fan pressure.
Hey, it's his a$$ and his job that is on the line here. And I think he simply choose the "man" he trusted to lead his troops, as opposed to the one the TMZ/ESPN/FOX world wanted. He would have been a fool to do otherwise.......(shurmur woulda buckled by now)
And so much for all the rumors about Haslam calling the shots on who starts...eh?
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Glad Hoyer got the nod, puts us in the best position to win game 1.
However I dont think alot of you are watching the same practice/preseason footage. Instead of going into a 3 page rant. Know that:
-Hoyer got the job simply because he can get the huddle to the line faster and more accurately (right now). He deserves that and its our best chance to win.
-Hoyer played better in practice. Johnny played BETTER in preason. Yes he got blitzed. No he didnt take weeden sacks. Yes he tried to throw hot receiver. Offense looks confused as a whole.
-Johnny isnt a bust... Yet (Personally, im pretty optimistic)He played pretty well for what he was expected to do. I think hes smart and has a good arm from what ive seen. He needs time to get it together, along with everyone else on the O.
-I expect if things dont go well (1-2 before bye or worse) we will see johnny week 5 or before the jags game when he should be able to competently call plays.
I just expect better thoughts/views out of this board sometimes instead of "yeah johnny clipboard bitch!" or "Hoyer looked so much better!. Watch the games, i dont want debate football with that guy who only watches the superbowl every year. Ya know?
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Glad they named a starter. This at least quiets some of the distraction surrounding this team, and now they can focus on scoring TDs instead of "who's going to start." I hope Hoyer works out. Problem is, if he struggles at all... at all... even in the first game... the media, and fans, are going to clamor for Manziel... this hasn't gone away...
By the way, this in no way slams the door on Manziel. He was dead-even in a competition with a 5-year vet, and was passed over based on experience, something he cannot control. The kid is only 21 years old. He needs to mature, learn the offense, and get his feet wet a little more. I still believe he will be good, but I just hope we don't have to see him until next season...
Glad they named a starter. This at least quiets some of the distraction surrounding this team, and now they can focus on scoring TDs instead of "who's going to start." I hope Hoyer works out. Problem is, if he struggles at all... at all... even in the first game... the media, and fans, are going to clamor for Manziel... this hasn't gone away...
By the way, this in no way slams the door on Manziel. He was dead-even in a competition with a 5-year vet, and was passed over based on experience, something he cannot control. The kid is only 21 years old. He needs to mature, learn the offense, and get his feet wet a little more. I still believe he will be good, but I just hope we don't have to see him until next season...
I agree almost 100%, but Johnny MAY be ready later this season if need be. I hope Fans understand that Hoyer can have a bad game without losing his starting position. He's the starter & I'll support him.
Keep in mind too that LeBeau's Ds have chewed up some pretty fine VETERAN QBs over the years & he is 17-2 against rookie QBs since 2004. Funny thing is that one of those rookies was WEEDEN! Of course, that was the game where we got 8 turnovers.
Mike
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in any case, Hoyer is the guy I'd rather have mentoring JF....not fucking Rex Grossman. Hoyer has at least tasted a pro offensive environment with New England.
in any case, Hoyer is the guy I'd rather have mentoring JF....not fucking Rex Grossman. Hoyer has at least tasted a pro offensive environment with New England.
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The SB Bears weren't a pro environment?
WSS
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It's what trolls do
Yeah, but it's a valid question in this case.. just does not need to be in every thread...
Excellent point. Perhaps he should make some adjustments.
My first thought was a stick and a box of dirt to draw in...
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Glad Hoyer got the nod, puts us in the best position to win game 1.
However I dont think alot of you are watching the same practice/preseason footage. Instead of going into a 3 page rant. Know that:
-Hoyer got the job simply because he can get the huddle to the line faster and more accurately (right now). He deserves that and its our best chance to win.
-Hoyer played better in practice. Johnny played BETTER in preason. Yes he got blitzed. No he didnt take weeden sacks. Yes he tried to throw hot receiver. Offense looks confused as a whole.
-Johnny isnt a bust... Yet (Personally, im pretty optimistic)He played pretty well for what he was expected to do. I think hes smart and has a good arm from what ive seen. He needs time to get it together, along with everyone else on the O.
-I expect if things dont go well (1-2 before bye or worse) we will see johnny week 5 or before the jags game when he should be able to competently call plays.
I just expect better thoughts/views out of this board sometimes instead of "yeah johnny clipboard bitch!" or "Hoyer looked so much better!. Watch the games, i dont want debate football with that guy who only watches the superbowl every year. Ya know?
Glad Hoyer got the nod, puts us in the best position to win game 1.
However I dont think alot of you are watching the same practice/preseason footage. Instead of going into a 3 page rant. Know that:
-Hoyer got the job simply because he can get the huddle to the line faster and more accurately (right now). He deserves that and its our best chance to win.
-Hoyer played better in practice. Johnny played BETTER in preason. Yes he got blitzed. No he didnt take weeden sacks. Yes he tried to throw hot receiver. Offense looks confused as a whole.
Watch the games, i dont want debate football with that guy who only watches the superbowl every year. Ya know?
First, there's practice footage?
Agree with a lot of what you said, but not that it was as simple as time-to-the-line. I also disagree that JM played "better" in preseason.
JM made very few reads let alone correct ones and threw the ball poorly. He is still looking for the open guy, occasionally a second open guy. The main difference was that if he stopped at one (Detroit) and took off he'd post some yardage, but if he looked for a second (WSH), then the D ate him up. He simply is not ready...
BH consistently made the proper reads, but threw poorly. He was the "better" option now just as he was in week 3 last year...
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I view these PRESEASON performances purely through the prism of how the QB, or any player, does their job. I put much less emphasis on the result of any play versus the execution of the play. There's so many moving parts in preseason that its hard to make direct comparisons.
Vanilla play calling goes hand in hand with coaches calling plays to check a situation. Creating adversity if you will....
Bubble players constantly in and out of the lineups....
Scrambles put up a better stat line for sure....but that also tells the tale of how stats lie.
Hoyers mid and long range accuracy was piss poor....but he was making the right read, getting the ball out on time, and into a catchable window. He simply missed the throws. That can be cured by reps. While concerning, it demonstrates that execution of a given play is greatly dependent on first and foremost, understanding of the play relative to the defensive scheme. Its impossible to consistently make good decisions if one lacks the knowledge and understanding to process the information at hand to reach a good decision. So while Boyer does not possess the natural athletic gifts of scrambles, he has probably the most important gift to succeeding at the NFL level....the understanding. Without that part, succeeding is so much more difficult. What remains to be seen is whether he can turn understanding into points and wins.
Conversely....the Lil guy just doesn't know what to do with his athleticism. I'll be honest here....while even the stanchest manzealots are cringing an blaming the coaches, I'm become ever more a fan. I like what he says since TC has started. He's much smarter than I thought. I don't think it'll be long before the patterns in the playbook click, the defenses begin to look similar, and movements become predictable. I'm pretty excited to see him if it all comes together for him. I actually think it will....so step away from the ledge at least until next season. Fuck man....weeden got 2 seasons.....right?
I think pettiness has done an admirable job considering the coverage around the browns for a first year HC. He's gonna make mistakes, either we accept that people are fallible and deserve some time to correct those mistakes, or we invite the revolving door that been this FO and team. Chill the fuck out, stop being so knee jerk and fickle and watch what unfolds.
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Word Chico.
I have been cracking the fuck up reading the board today. The majority of the hardcore, kneel down manzealots are hiding in their corners while the more reasonable individuals of our newly acquired manziel fans are beginning to come around and see the sense in Pettines decision.
I agree with the majority of you guys in that they both have EXECUTED very poorly in the first two games.
As has been said, Hoyer continues to demonstrate a thorough understanding of mental quarterbacking such as making great reads and progressions with above average pocket presence. Where he has faltered is with EXECUTING and ACTING on his understanding with accurate throws and loose play. He seems to play very tense to me. He sees the window, gets the ball out very fast, but the throws have been mostly poor to serviceable at best. That indicates a high level of tension and nerves in my opinion. Let's see if he relaxes and returns to his surgical game management we glimpsed in two and a quarter games last year.
Manziel on the other hand has demonstrated, in my opinion, the athletic ability to EXECUTE and PERFORM at high level. What he has lacked happens to be Hoyer s greatest strength: a superb understanding of the mental mechanics to be an efficient and productive starting QB in the NFL. Just like Hoyer s issues can be remedied with a commitment of all first team reps and repetition solely to himself and the removal of what I have termed the "manziel effect' hanging so close over his head, Johnnys woes can cured with a heavy, heavy dose of film and playbook study and extra work with our QB coach Dowell Loggains on his mechanics and maintaining his poise under pressure.
If only we can perform some sort of mind meld with Hoyer and Johnny: infuse Hoyer s superb understanding of the mental aspect with Johnnys supreme athletic abilities and instincts and wah lah we have a real Johnny Cleveland poised to take us to the super bowl.
My only suggestion for all of us is supreme patience. And no, that does not mean tolerate another dumpster fire of a fucking season this year. We just need to be logical creatures while this process plays out. I know that's hard to do as Neanderthal football nuts, but we must persevere.
Anyways, GO BROWNS! FUCK SHITSBURGH! FUCK THE RATBIRDS! AND FUCK THE ORANGE PUSSY CATS ????
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i guess going 3 and out on almost every possession and never scoring a touchdown is what passes for "earning it" in cleveland....but the homey's going to start, so all's good....
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Glad Hoyer got the nod, puts us in the best position to win game 1.
However I dont think alot of you are watching the same practice/preseason footage. Instead of going into a 3 page rant. Know that:
-Hoyer got the job simply because he can get the huddle to the line faster and more accurately (right now). He deserves that and its our best chance to win.
-Hoyer played better in practice. Johnny played BETTER in preason. Yes he got blitzed. No he didnt take weeden sacks. Yes he tried to throw hot receiver. Offense looks confused as a whole.
-Johnny isnt a bust... Yet (Personally, im pretty optimistic)He played pretty well for what he was expected to do. I think hes smart and has a good arm from what ive seen. He needs time to get it together, along with everyone else on the O.
-I expect if things dont go well (1-2 before bye or worse) we will see johnny week 5 or before the jags game when he should be able to competently call plays.
I just expect better thoughts/views out of this board sometimes instead of "yeah johnny clipboard bitch!" or "Hoyer looked so much better!. Watch the games, i dont want debate football with that guy who only watches the superbowl every year. Ya know?
Glad Hoyer got the nod, puts us in the best position to win game 1.
However I dont think alot of you are watching the same practice/preseason footage. Instead of going into a 3 page rant. Know that:
-Hoyer got the job simply because he can get the huddle to the line faster and more accurately (right now). He deserves that and its our best chance to win.
-Hoyer played better in practice. Johnny played BETTER in preason. Yes he got blitzed. No he didnt take weeden sacks. Yes he tried to throw hot receiver. Offense looks confused as a whole.
-Johnny isnt a bust... Yet (Personally, im pretty optimistic)He played pretty well for what he was expected to do. I think hes smart and has a good arm from what ive seen. He needs time to get it together, along with everyone else on the O.
-I expect if things dont go well (1-2 before bye or worse) we will see johnny week 5 or before the jags game when he should be able to competently call plays.
I just expect better thoughts/views out of this board sometimes instead of "yeah johnny clipboard bitch!" or "Hoyer looked so much better!. Watch the games, i dont want debate football with that guy who only watches the superbowl every year. Ya know?
well if you only talk to Super Bowl fans, you sure won't talk to anyone connected to the browns....
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Lol @ Browns fans. You guys are so short sighted. I'm not going anywhere. Have fun taking pictures next to my statue in 10 years.
Lol @ Browns fans. You guys are so short sighted. I'm not going anywhere. Have fun taking pictures next to my statue in 10 years.
How did it take this long for this handle to come up? I'm disappointed it's taken this long.
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Glad Hoyer got the nod, puts us in the best position to win game 1.
However I dont think alot of you are watching the same practice/preseason footage. Instead of going into a 3 page rant. Know that:
-Hoyer got the job simply because he can get the huddle to the line faster and more accurately (right now). He deserves that and its our best chance to win.
-Hoyer played better in practice. Johnny played BETTER in preason. Yes he got blitzed. No he didnt take weeden sacks. Yes he tried to throw hot receiver. Offense looks confused as a whole.
-Johnny isnt a bust... Yet (Personally, im pretty optimistic)He played pretty well for what he was expected to do. I think hes smart and has a good arm from what ive seen. He needs time to get it together, along with everyone else on the O.
-I expect if things dont go well (1-2 before bye or worse) we will see johnny week 5 or before the jags game when he should be able to competently call plays.
I just expect better thoughts/views out of this board sometimes instead of "yeah johnny clipboard bitch!" or "Hoyer looked so much better!. Watch the games, i dont want debate football with that guy who only watches the superbowl every year. Ya know?
well if you only talk to Super Bowl fans, you sure won't talk to anyone connected to the browns....
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Glad Hoyer got the nod, puts us in the best position to win game 1.
However I dont think alot of you are watching the same practice/preseason footage. Instead of going into a 3 page rant. Know that:
-Hoyer got the job simply because he can get the huddle to the line faster and more accurately (right now). He deserves that and its our best chance to win.
-Hoyer played better in practice. Johnny played BETTER in preason. Yes he got blitzed. No he didnt take weeden sacks. Yes he tried to throw hot receiver. Offense looks confused as a whole.
-Johnny isnt a bust... Yet (Personally, im pretty optimistic)He played pretty well for what he was expected to do. I think hes smart and has a good arm from what ive seen. He needs time to get it together, along with everyone else on the O.
-I expect if things dont go well (1-2 before bye or worse) we will see johnny week 5 or before the jags game when he should be able to competently call plays.
I just expect better thoughts/views out of this board sometimes instead of "yeah johnny clipboard bitch!" or "Hoyer looked so much better!. Watch the games, i dont want debate football with that guy who only watches the superbowl every year. Ya know?
well if you only talk to Super Bowl fans, you sure won't talk to anyone connected to the browns....
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Choco, very well put. You too Gunner. JayJay, you're repeating yourself.
I think Manziel is a visual learner, meaning it sinks in when what he sees what's happening on the field just like he sees it in his mind. He's made a comment or two when asked about learning the playbook that led me to think that. Talked about "seeing" the play.
The plus side to all that is that it's just a matter of reps before he gets it.
I'm also starting to think that the whole scrambling thing is like a light switch to him, and he just needs to work on when he hits the switch. Been hitting it a little too early l think in the preseason.
Again it's nothing that reps and trust in what his teammates can and can't do won't fix.
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Thanks for the great thoughts chico, gunner and tour. That is more of what i expected when I logged on today. Thats all i was asking for.
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