Satisfying Ghoolie
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Say, why not just trade the entire offense and special teams away for a good wr?Golly, what a joke - trade JOE THOMAS ? And get the qb's stuffed to the turfall over again?Sounds like somebody is afraid the Browns are going to start winning and losing them bets......********************************A man parks his car in a rough part of town with two accordions on the back seat, forgetting to lock the back door.When he returns, there are three accordions.____________________How do you protect a valuable instrument?Hide it in an accordion case.____________________How is playing an accordion like throwing a javelin blindfolded?You don't have to be very good to get people's attention.___________________If you drop an accordion, a broken alarm clock, and a turkey feather off a 20-story building, which one lands first and which way up do they land?Who cares?____________________This guy walks into an antique store and notices a brass rat sitting on one of the top shelves. He asks the clerk, "How much for that brass rat?". The clerk says "Well sir, it's 25 bucks just for the rat, and 50 bucks if you want to hear the story that goes with it. Take my word, you'll want to *hear* the story." The guy says "No, I believe I'll just take the rat for 25 bucks."So, this fella takes his brass rat and heads down the street. Right away he notices that a *real* rat is following him, so he makes a quick turn down the next street. He passes an alley, at which point about a half-dozen rats come out and start following him. This guy is getting pretty panicked at this point, so he starts heading out toward the outskirts of town. When he passes the town dump, *hundreds* of rats stream out and follow him. Our hero is beside himself at this point, so as he passes the river that winds around town, he tosses the brass rat right in the drink. Every last one of the real rats follows the brass rat into the river and drowns.Relieved, our protagonist heads back to the antique store where he got the brass rat. "I knew it!", says the clerk, "You're back to hear the story about the rat, aren't you?". "No sir", says the guy, "I just wanted to find out how much you're asking for that brass accordion I see you've got up there."____________________What is the definition of a gentleman?Somebody who knows how to play the accordion, but doesn't.____________________What is the range of an accordion?Twenty yards if you've got a good arm!____________________What's the difference between an accordion and a macaw?One is loud, obnoxious and noisy; the other is a bird.____________________Why do Accordionists make good politicians?They are used to playing both ends off against the middle.
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LMAO!....best post I've ever read on this board! Thanks.
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Who can ever forget Gene Carroll's Polka Varieties on Sunday to get warmed up for a Browns game?
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Skill players do not make a team great. How many playoff games have the Lions and Cowboys won in the last 3 years?
Skill players complete an offense. Good OL play is required before any offense will be remotely competent.
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The offensive line is the engine of the offense, I say again, the running backs are the tires... eh...
the qb is the steering wheel, etc.
Great offenses have solid blocking. From what I've read, the offense's adaptation to Shannahan's offense
has been a great deal of work.
We'll see how it goes once the regular season starts. Hopefully hits high gear by game 3.
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Hilarious post calfox.
Ghoolie still thinks Andrew Luck is the next Tim Couch.
Done.
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VesnaKociper said:
Richardson and Quinn WERE NOT HOT PICKS. They were shit. Jim Brown called Richardson ORDINARY...........
QUIN would have say untaken until the third round.
You are full of shit. the Browns have NOT been active in the top picks. Other than Tim Couch #1 overall. They have taken second echelon players. Fucking Brady Quinn? Good grief.
I have listed where they have gone with their picks in the first three rounds. I haven't distinguised between high first round picks or low third round picks. But what I have detailed is what the Browns have done with their most valuable assets: high round draft picks. And I don't know what you are referring to by saying "hot picks". These were the picks. I just reported the facts.
But yes....the Browns have been active in their top picks in taking offensive skill players. 42% of those picks have been designated to 4 positions on the field.
What I think I am full of is accuracy. But I also do not think we disagree......What we are both saying is that oh so many of those choices have been the wrong choices.....the Quinns, the Richardsons etc. Yes.....indeed, your are right Ghoolie, those guys have turned out to NOT be top echelon players. They may not even be second echelon players.
I hope you didn't get the impression that I was advocating that these were quality picks. Quite the contrary.
And this is what has killed this team for so long.....making such poor choices with our most valuable assets.
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VesnaKociper said:
My point is this... I think a lot of Browns fans, like Gipper are really lacking in common sense, and are so confused with statistics and numbers that they really don't know what the fuck end is up.
Ghoolie. I will put to a vote to the entire board which one of us is believed to have more common sense when it comes to these things....basic football. I will wager you a pierogie dinner on it. Care to take the challenge?
Cleveland has not been involved AT ALL in drafting the VERY HIGHEST rated players other than Tim Couch. I don't need to hear about fucking Joe Thomas...... he hasn't contributed a single fucking thing that any run of the mill Joe Blow LT couldn't have contributed. Jackoffs here talking about him being a HOF LT............... So fucking what? What has he done? How has the Browns offense improved since he has been here? It hasn't........But I digress............
You do digress.....so I will bring you back to where you should be: Please explain to us what your definition is of "the very highest rated players"
Are you referring to where players were simply drafted? Where pundits had them rated prior to the draft? What?
I gave you the factual breakdown of which positions the took with their choices in the first three rounds. You can't disagree with those facts, so what is it you do disagree with? Maybe you don't like what they have done? Is that your point? What is your point? Joe Thomas was just one of those 33 picks. What about the other 32?
LUCK was the top pick, Watkins was another........ SO was Adrian Petersen, Big Ben and on it goes.
Gipper thinks Quinn demonstrated the Browns being a player.......... fucking idiot. Had the Browns not taken Quin, like assholes, he would have sunk to the second round, or worse. NOBODY was dumb enough to spend a high pick on him............ Oooops, the BROWNS wee stupid enough.
Ghoolie....you are proving yourself to be either a dumbass....or a special ed case...ot being able to comprehend the written word. All I said about Quinn is that he was drafted by the Browns and that he sucked. In hindsight surely the Browns should never have made the move to get him. We both agree on that....he was a terrible choice...so what is your bitching about?
Manziel was not on our radar, and all the top slots were not being used to draft him.... like Quinn he would have sat until the second round.
Finally, trust me.. MANIEL IS A BUST. Like all the jackoffs efore im, he has a slow release, he is a dullard and can't hit a receiver until well after he makes his break....... Manziel is like Couch, Quinn, Frye, McCoy and Anderson................... he has a slow slow, slow release. You can see it already, the NFL is way above his skill set.
Pettine also will be fired after the 2014 season. He is a passive coach, afraid of his own shadow. He plays percentages and has never relied on guts and passion a single day in his career. He is a fucking Romeo-Stinkenhiemer clone.
Fire his ass now. Why let us suffer through an entire season when the jury is already unanimous in this issue.
Do you have your resume ready to submit when that job opening comes up? The guy hasn't coached his first real game yet and you want to fire him.
I wish the Steelers had had your mindset when a coach they hired went 1-13 in his first season. (of course, they, unlike you, were patient, and he went on to win 4 Super Bowls)
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@douche-nozzle said:
Yes and no! Yes because The Yapper is a narcissistic nimrod who is only interested in his own agenda which is usually himself. No because a good left tackle is indescribably valuable and Joe Thomas has been one of the good ones; yes he is showing some signs of falling off but for God sake, look at what the team has put around him......other than Josh Gordon, they are totally inept and have been since his draft!
I am interested in the facts.....and clearly I am not having my own agenda fulfilled.
My agenda is having the Cleveland Browns win football games.
In fact, you and I are absolutely in accord when it come to those facts. Fact: 42% of the Browns 1st/2d/3rd round draft choices have been spent of the offensive skill players. Fact: That amounts to 14 players. (and 5 of those have been QBs). Fact: Only Josh Gordon seems to have been a quality player out of all that bunch (note, Braylon Edwards had 1 Pro Bowl season). Fact: 1 out of 14 is an awful.....inept record.
So, tell me where we disagree? (other than by the fact that you are delighted by these facts....being a Steeler FRAK).
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VesnaKociper said:
Richardson and Quinn WERE NOT HOT PICKS. They were shit. Jim Brown called Richardson ORDINARY...........
QUIN would have say untaken until the third round.
You are full of shit. the Browns have NOT been active in the top picks. Other than Tim Couch #1 overall. They have taken second echelon players. Fucking Brady Quinn? Good grief.
I have listed where they have gone with their picks in the first three rounds. I haven't distinguised between high first round picks or low third round picks. But what I have detailed is what the Browns have done with their most valuable assets: high round draft picks. And I don't know what you are referring to by saying "hot picks". These were the picks. I just reported the facts.
But yes....the Browns have been active in their top picks in taking offensive skill players. 42% of those picks have been designated to 4 positions on the field.
What I think I am full of is accuracy. But I also do not think we disagree......What we are both saying is that oh so many of those choices have been the wrong choices.....the Quinns, the Richardsons etc. Yes.....indeed, your are right Ghoolie, those guys have turned out to NOT be top echelon players. They may not even be second echelon players.
I hope you didn't get the impression that I was advocating that these were quality picks. Quite the contrary.
And this is what has killed this team for so long.....making such poor choices with our most valuable assets.
I have listed where they have gone with their picks in the first three rounds. I haven't distinguised between high first round picks or low third round picks. But what I have detailed is what the Browns have done with their most valuable assets: high round draft picks. And I don't know what you are referring to by saying "hot picks". These were the picks. I just reported the facts.
But yes....the Browns have been active in their top picks in taking offensive skill players. 42% of those picks have been designated to 4 positions on the field.
What I think I am full of is accuracy. But I also do not think we disagree......What we are both saying is that oh so many of those choices have been the wrong choices.....the Quinns, the Richardsons etc. Yes.....indeed, your are right Ghoolie, those guys have turned out to NOT be top echelon players. They may not even be second echelon players.
I hope you didn't get the impression that I was advocating that these were quality picks. Quite the contrary.
And this is what has killed this team for so long.....making such poor choices with our most valuable assets.
Let's get to that epic draft fail the Browns pulled off in 2012. The only thing Holmgren and Heckert did right was bid up the price for RG Knee. 20\20 hindsight says the Redskins gave up far, far to much to draft the guy. And Tom, we weren't getting Andrew Luck at any price. Holmgren offered the Colts his entire draft- and got shot down.
Trent Richardson, We-done, and The Schwartz (who may be on track to get moved to guard) Three top picks, three stinkers. Out of the 11, yes, 11 picks in that draft only ones left besides Schwartz are role players John Hughes (bet Ghoolie didn't even know he was on the team), Billy Winn, and Travis Benjamin. Acho got traded to the Cards and is still playing.
Draft grade= D-.
Until we draft more Josh Gordons instead of Massaquois and Brian SLOWbiskis, the Browns will continue to suck.
Finally Tom, you can find your lardasses in the sixth and seventh rounds- but you find the great ones about as often as the Pats finding a Tom Brady in the sixth. BTW, if you don't think left tackles are important- just ask the Rams how important they are. Jake Long (who's one of the best) has one screw up against the Browns and toooo bad, Bradford is out for the year with a bum knee.
Oh, we could have gotten by with a lesser LT, but the Browns would have led the league every year in quarterbacks to injured reserve.
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I have listed where they have gone with their picks in the first three rounds. I haven't distinguised between high first round picks or low third round picks. But what I have detailed is what the Browns have done with their most valuable assets: high round draft picks. And I don't know what you are referring to by saying "hot picks". These were the picks. I just reported the facts.
But yes....the Browns have been active in their top picks in taking offensive skill players. 42% of those picks have been designated to 4 positions on the field.
What I think I am full of is accuracy. But I also do not think we disagree......What we are both saying is that oh so many of those choices have been the wrong choices.....the Quinns, the Richardsons etc. Yes.....indeed, your are right Ghoolie, those guys have turned out to NOT be top echelon players. They may not even be second echelon players.
I hope you didn't get the impression that I was advocating that these were quality picks. Quite the contrary.
And this is what has killed this team for so long.....making such poor choices with our most valuable assets.
Let's get to that epic draft fail the Browns pulled off in 2012. The only thing Holmgren and Heckert did right was bid up the price for RG Knee. 20\20 hindsight says the Redskins gave up far, far to much to draft the guy. And Tom, we weren't getting Andrew Luck at any price. Holmgren offered the Colts his entire draft- and got shot down.
Trent Richardson, We-done, and The Schwartz (who may be on track to get moved to guard) Three top picks, three stinkers. Out of the 11, yes, 11 picks in that draft only ones left besides Schwartz are role players John Hughes (bet Ghoolie didn't even know he was on the team), Billy Winn, and Travis Benjamin. Acho got traded to the Cards and is still playing.
Draft grade= D-.
Until we draft more Josh Gordons instead of Massaquois and Brian SLOWbiskis, the Browns will continue to suck.
Finally Tom, you can find your lardasses in the sixth and seventh rounds- but you find the great ones about as often as the Pats finding a Tom Brady in the sixth. BTW, if you don't think left tackles are important- just ask the Rams how important they are. Jake Long (who's one of the best) has one screw up against the Browns and toooo bad, Bradford is out for the year with a bum knee.
Oh, we could have gotten by with a lesser LT, but the Browns would have led the league every year in quarterbacks to injured reserve.
Let's get to that epic draft fail the Browns pulled off in 2012. The only thing Holmgren and Heckert did right was bid up the price for RG Knee. 20\20 hindsight says the Redskins gave up far, far to much to draft the guy. And Tom, we weren't getting Andrew Luck at any price. Holmgren offered the Colts his entire draft- and got shot down.
Trent Richardson, We-done, and The Schwartz (who may be on track to get moved to guard) Three top picks, three stinkers. Out of the 11, yes, 11 picks in that draft only ones left besides Schwartz are role players John Hughes (bet Ghoolie didn't even know he was on the team), Billy Winn, and Travis Benjamin. Acho got traded to the Cards and is still playing.
Draft grade= D-.
Until we draft more Josh Gordons instead of Massaquois and Brian SLOWbiskis, the Browns will continue to suck.
Finally Tom, you can find your lardasses in the sixth and seventh rounds- but you find the great ones about as often as the Pats finding a Tom Brady in the sixth. BTW, if you don't think left tackles are important- just ask the Rams how important they are. Jake Long (who's one of the best) has one screw up against the Browns and toooo bad, Bradford is out for the year with a bum knee.
Oh, we could have gotten by with a lesser LT, but the Browns would have led the league every year in quarterbacks to injured reserve.
Are you talking to Tom Ghoolie or Tom Gipper?
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Let's get to that epic draft fail the Browns pulled off in 2012. The only thing Holmgren and Heckert did right was bid up the price for RG Knee. 20\20 hindsight says the Redskins gave up far, far to much to draft the guy. And Tom, we weren't getting Andrew Luck at any price. Holmgren offered the Colts his entire draft- and got shot down.
Trent Richardson, We-done, and The Schwartz (who may be on track to get moved to guard) Three top picks, three stinkers. Out of the 11, yes, 11 picks in that draft only ones left besides Schwartz are role players John Hughes (bet Ghoolie didn't even know he was on the team), Billy Winn, and Travis Benjamin. Acho got traded to the Cards and is still playing.
Draft grade= D-.
Until we draft more Josh Gordons instead of Massaquois and Brian SLOWbiskis, the Browns will continue to suck.
Finally Tom, you can find your lardasses in the sixth and seventh rounds- but you find the great ones about as often as the Pats finding a Tom Brady in the sixth. BTW, if you don't think left tackles are important- just ask the Rams how important they are. Jake Long (who's one of the best) has one screw up against the Browns and toooo bad, Bradford is out for the year with a bum knee.
Oh, we could have gotten by with a lesser LT, but the Browns would have led the league every year in quarterbacks to injured reserve.
Are you talking to Tom Ghoolie or Tom Gipper?
Are you talking to Tom Ghoolie or Tom Gipper?
I thought it would be obvious Gipper that I was addressing Ghoolie- you're smarter than that.
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I have listed where they have gone with their picks in the first three rounds. I haven't distinguised between high first round picks or low third round picks. But what I have detailed is what the Browns have done with their most valuable assets: high round draft picks. And I don't know what you are referring to by saying "hot picks". These were the picks. I just reported the facts.
But yes....the Browns have been active in their top picks in taking offensive skill players. 42% of those picks have been designated to 4 positions on the field.
What I think I am full of is accuracy. But I also do not think we disagree......What we are both saying is that oh so many of those choices have been the wrong choices.....the Quinns, the Richardsons etc. Yes.....indeed, your are right Ghoolie, those guys have turned out to NOT be top echelon players. They may not even be second echelon players.
I hope you didn't get the impression that I was advocating that these were quality picks. Quite the contrary.
And this is what has killed this team for so long.....making such poor choices with our most valuable assets.
Let's get to that epic draft fail the Browns pulled off in 2012. The only thing Holmgren and Heckert did right was bid up the price for RG Knee. 20\20 hindsight says the Redskins gave up far, far to much to draft the guy. And Tom, we weren't getting Andrew Luck at any price. Holmgren offered the Colts his entire draft- and got shot down.
Trent Richardson, We-done, and The Schwartz (who may be on track to get moved to guard) Three top picks, three stinkers. Out of the 11, yes, 11 picks in that draft only ones left besides Schwartz are role players John Hughes (bet Ghoolie didn't even know he was on the team), Billy Winn, and Travis Benjamin. Acho got traded to the Cards and is still playing.
Draft grade= D-.
Until we draft more Josh Gordons instead of Massaquois and Brian SLOWbiskis, the Browns will continue to suck.
Finally Tom, you can find your lardasses in the sixth and seventh rounds- but you find the great ones about as often as the Pats finding a Tom Brady in the sixth. BTW, if you don't think left tackles are important- just ask the Rams how important they are. Jake Long (who's one of the best) has one screw up against the Browns and toooo bad, Bradford is out for the year with a bum knee.
Oh, we could have gotten by with a lesser LT, but the Browns would have led the league every year in quarterbacks to injured reserve.
Draft grade= D-.
Until we draft more Josh Gordons instead of Massaquois and Brian SLOWbiskis, the Browns will continue to suck.
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Well, the good news is that Farmer is 1 for 1, as it is already clear that this years draft class is a very solid group....even if JF bombs, Farmer still scored on 4 out of the first 5 picks....(could it be 5 outta 5???)
Cause, if Johnnys a superstar....then it WILL be our best draft ever.....yes, maybe even better than the Mathews/Newsome draft(77-78? maybe)......
So, add 4+ quality rookies and 2 past pro bowlers to a very young talented team, with 5 more pro bowlers...
Then hit on 2-3 more picks next year .....and.....well......SUPER BOWL BABY!!!......
Yep....I said it!.....
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Are you talking to Tom Ghoolie or Tom Gipper?
I thought it would be obvious Gipper that I was addressing Ghoolie- you're smarter than that.
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