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True.
During his tenure at A&M, Manziel play with the following players:
Luke Joekel - 2nd overall in 2013 draft
Mathews - 6th overall in 2014 draft
Cedric Ogbuehi - Potential top 5 pick in 2015 Draft
Mike Evans - 7th overall in 2014 draft
That's some serious talent on the offensive line and an elite WR that can get everything.
It's crazy to me how different the college and pro game can be sometimes. Watching the A and M game last night reminded me how open those receivers are and how many missed tackles, it's a crapshoot drafting for some positions.
It's crazy to me how different the college and pro game can be sometimes. Watching the A and M game last night reminded me how open those receivers are and how many missed tackles, it's a crapshoot drafting for some positions.
That's exactly what i saw last year watching JFF.
Incredible protection that requires him to simply SIT in the pocket. He make things look a lot more difficult than it needs to be. Hill demonstrated that last night with incredible protection from Ogbuehi. When the blind side is taken care of, a QB should be comfortable passing the ball with great efficiency.
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It's crazy to me how different the college and pro game can be sometimes. Watching the A and M game last night reminded me how open those receivers are and how many missed tackles, it's a crapshoot drafting for some positions.
That's exactly what i saw last year watching JFF.
Incredible protection that requires him to simply SIT in the pocket. He make things look a lot more difficult than it needs to be. Hill demonstrated that last night with incredible protection from Ogbuehi. When the blind side is taken care of, a QB should be comfortable passing the ball with great efficiency.
That's exactly what i saw last year watching JFF.
Incredible protection that requires him to simply SIT in the pocket. He make things look a lot more difficult than it needs to be. Hill demonstrated that last night with incredible protection from Ogbuehi. When the blind side is taken care of, a QB should be comfortable passing the ball with great efficiency.
Ogbuehi-something we finally agree on MD. But as long as we are discussing A&M, here is the NEXT "Mike Evans". Remember the name for draft day in 2016 or 2017. Ricky Seal-Jones. 6-5, 235 with 4.4 speed and huge hands gifted enough to play QB in HS.
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That's exactly what i saw last year watching JFF.
Incredible protection that requires him to simply SIT in the pocket. He make things look a lot more difficult than it needs to be. Hill demonstrated that last night with incredible protection from Ogbuehi. When the blind side is taken care of, a QB should be comfortable passing the ball with great efficiency.
Ogbuehi-something we finally agree on MD. But as long as we are discussing A&M, here is the NEXT "Mike Evans". Remember the name for draft day in 2016 or 2017. Ricky Seal-Jones. 6-5, 235 with 4.4 speed and huge hands gifted enough to play QB in HS.
Ogbuehi-something we finally agree on MD. But as long as we are discussing A&M, here is the NEXT "Mike Evans". Remember the name for draft day in 2016 or 2017. Ricky Seal-Jones. 6-5, 235 with 4.4 speed and huge hands gifted enough to play QB in HS.
when you pass for 511 yards against the #9 team in the nation in their stadium filled with 80,000 loud/hostile fans...you're doing well....the OL was great...and those receivers played like the gamecocks' defense was in slow motion......if they can play like that against every team...most of whom don't win 11 games a year in the SEC, like SC does.....it's going to be a good season for sumlin and the aggies.....i thought hill was amazing.....good for him....can't get off to a much better start than that.....and what about that defense...take away those two long pass plays and they were outstanding too.....
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Win cost a College Station furniture store a few bucks...
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/08/ashley-furniture-texas-am-promotion
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Yes, I'm serious. I'm also on this board every single day and don't renember this discussion. So much JF stuff got buried in the first month with fanboys and vitriol.
Yes, I'm serious. I'm also on this board every single day and don't renember this discussion. So much JF stuff got buried in the first month with fanboys and vitriol.
Ive been sayin that i was curious how kenny Hill was going to do this year. HMMMMMM Breaks Jff school record in his first game against a top 10 sec team. That right there drops JFF stock. It may not matter but it shows JFF wasnt making the team better around him. He was part of a well oiled system.
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good things tend to happen when you run 99 offensive plays in a game.....more than a few times the carolina defense just wasn't ready to defend.....playing at that speed really puts pressure on the defense...against a slow methodical offense, south carolina doesn't give up 52 points...and it could have easily been 59, if a&m hadn't taken their foot off the gas in the last 2 minutes.....
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Yes, I'm serious. I'm also on this board every single day and don't renember this discussion. So much JF stuff got buried in the first month with fanboys and vitriol.
True.
During his tenure at A&M, Manziel play with the following players:
Luke Joekel - 2nd overall in 2013 draft
Mathews - 6th overall in 2014 draft
Cedric Ogbuehi - Potential top 5 pick in 2015 Draft
Mike Evans - 7th overall in 2014 draft
That's some serious talent on the offensive line and an elite WR that can get everything.
True.
During his tenure at A&M, Manziel play with the following players:
Luke Joekel - 2nd overall in 2013 draft
Mathews - 6th overall in 2014 draft
Cedric Ogbuehi - Potential top 5 pick in 2015 Draft
Mike Evans - 7th overall in 2014 draft
That's some serious talent on the offensive line and an elite WR that can get everything.
It's the same argument that can be made about Trent Richardson, yet there are still people that claim Richardson is an extraordinary talented player.
I will say that Manziel possesses an extraordinary knack for turning busted plays into gains, but I do believe the amount of talent around him absolutely contributed to the level of success he achieved at A&M. The guy is a QB that would have been drafted regardless of where he played or with who. His elusiveness would have seen to that. It's just that being surrounded by talent helped him get a Heisman, and that Heisman helped improve his draft ranking.
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True.
During his tenure at A&M, Manziel play with the following players:
Luke Joekel - 2nd overall in 2013 draft
Mathews - 6th overall in 2014 draft
Cedric Ogbuehi - Potential top 5 pick in 2015 Draft
Mike Evans - 7th overall in 2014 draft
That's some serious talent on the offensive line and an elite WR that can get everything.
It's the same argument that can be made about Trent Richardson, yet there are still people that claim Richardson is an extraordinary talented player.
I will say that Manziel possesses an extraordinary knack for turning busted plays into gains, but I do believe the amount of talent around him absolutely contributed to the level of success he achieved at A&M. The guy is a QB that would have been drafted regardless of where he played or with who. His elusiveness would have seen to that. It's just that being surrounded by talent helped him get a Heisman, and that Heisman helped improve his draft ranking.
It's the same argument that can be made about Trent Richardson, yet there are still people that claim Richardson is an extraordinary talented player.
I will say that Manziel possesses an extraordinary knack for turning busted plays into gains, but I do believe the amount of talent around him absolutely contributed to the level of success he achieved at A&M. The guy is a QB that would have been drafted regardless of where he played or with who. His elusiveness would have seen to that. It's just that being surrounded by talent helped him get a Heisman, and that Heisman helped improve his draft ranking.
of course it did.....nobody does it on their own.....qb's aside, this years team is considerably better than last years....evans was/is great...but this year's wr crew are better than last years....and wait till they hit mid-season form.....more importantly, this year's defense is much improved.....hill won't have to score 52 every game to win.....last night he only had to score 29...and that was against a #9 ranked team in their house....the way the aggies are recruiting, they are going to be good, across the board, for quite a while......
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It's the same argument that can be made about Trent Richardson, yet there are still people that claim Richardson is an extraordinary talented player.
I will say that Manziel possesses an extraordinary knack for turning busted plays into gains, but I do believe the amount of talent around him absolutely contributed to the level of success he achieved at A&M. The guy is a QB that would have been drafted regardless of where he played or with who. His elusiveness would have seen to that. It's just that being surrounded by talent helped him get a Heisman, and that Heisman helped improve his draft ranking.
of course it did.....nobody does it on their own.....qb's aside, this years team is considerably better than last years....evans was/is great...but this year's wr crew are better than last years....and wait till they hit mid-season form.....more importantly, this year's defense is much improved.....hill won't have to score 52 every game to win.....last night he only had to score 29...and that was against a #9 ranked team in their house....the way the aggies are recruiting, they are going to be good, across the board, for quite a while......
of course it did.....nobody does it on their own.....qb's aside, this years team is considerably better than last years....evans was/is great...but this year's wr crew are better than last years....and wait till they hit mid-season form.....more importantly, this year's defense is much improved.....hill won't have to score 52 every game to win.....last night he only had to score 29...and that was against a #9 ranked team in their house....the way the aggies are recruiting, they are going to be good, across the board, for quite a while......
Why the constant ellipses?
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Yes, I'm serious. I'm also on this board every single day and don't renember this discussion. So much JF stuff got buried in the first month with fanboys and vitriol.
True.
During his tenure at A&M, Manziel play with the following players:
Luke Joekel - 2nd overall in 2013 draft
Mathews - 6th overall in 2014 draft
Cedric Ogbuehi - Potential top 5 pick in 2015 Draft
Mike Evans - 7th overall in 2014 draft
That's some serious talent on the offensive line and an elite WR that can get everything.
True.
During his tenure at A&M, Manziel play with the following players:
Luke Joekel - 2nd overall in 2013 draft
Mathews - 6th overall in 2014 draft
Cedric Ogbuehi - Potential top 5 pick in 2015 Draft
Mike Evans - 7th overall in 2014 draft
That's some serious talent on the offensive line and an elite WR that can get everything.
Yes it is, and all of those players played with Manziel too...........
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And if the Browns can get Ogbuehi, Seals-Jones and Garrett in the next few years, you'll be glad it is.
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I'm A&M class of '94.
For OP's question, this his been discussed at great length on TexAgs. My opinion, which seems pretty common there, is that Johnny is a special talent who was fortunate enough to play in a system that highlighted his skills, for coaches that were willing to adapt the system to the players.
So was Johnny's success at A&M due to him or was it the system? Is it the peanut butter or the chocolate? Both - they went well together.
As for Kenny Hill, he did a stellar job running Sumlin's system closer to its design than Johnny did. But I'd still take Johnny back without a second thought.
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I'm A&M class of '94.
For OP's question, this his been discussed at great length on TexAgs. My opinion, which seems pretty common there, is that Johnny is a special talent who was fortunate enough to play in a system that highlighted his skills, for coaches that were willing to adapt the system to the players.
So was Johnny's success at A&M due to him or was it the system? Is it the peanut butter or the chocolate? Both - they went well together.
As for Kenny Hill, he did a stellar job running Sumlin's system closer to its design than Johnny did. But I'd still take Johnny back without a second thought.
I'm A&M class of '94.
For OP's question, this his been discussed at great length on TexAgs. My opinion, which seems pretty common there, is that Johnny is a special talent who was fortunate enough to play in a system that highlighted his skills, for coaches that were willing to adapt the system to the players.
So was Johnny's success at A&M due to him or was it the system? Is it the peanut butter or the chocolate? Both - they went well together.
As for Kenny Hill, he did a stellar job running Sumlin's system closer to its design than Johnny did. But I'd still take Johnny back without a second thought.
i hope kyle allen gets to play in some of these non conference games coming up....he's supposed to have a great arm...i'd like to see it in action....
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Yes, I'm serious. I'm also on this board every single day and don't renember this discussion. So much JF stuff got buried in the first month with fanboys and vitriol.
Ive been sayin that i was curious how kenny Hill was going to do this year. HMMMMMM Breaks Jff school record in his first game against a top 10 sec team. That right there drops JFF stock. It may not matter but it shows JFF wasnt making the team better around him. He was part of a well oiled system.
Ive been sayin that i was curious how kenny Hill was going to do this year. HMMMMMM Breaks Jff school record in his first game against a top 10 sec team. That right there drops JFF stock. It may not matter but it shows JFF wasnt making the team better around him. He was part of a well oiled system.
i don't want to take anything away from kenny hill...that was a great job...and yes he threw for 511 yards and broke johnny's record of 464 yards against alabama (another quality team) last year...but when you look at the total picture...it was the aggie defense that made the difference...last year the defense couldn't get the opposing offense off the field....and against alabama (where johhny set his record) the aggies only possessed the ball for 24:58 minutes....against south carolina, the aggies possessed the ball fro 37:38 minutes...a huge difference....against carolina the aggies had time to run 99 plays; against alabama last year they only had time to run 76 plays....that's the difference...against alabama in 2013 the aggies, with manziel, gained 25.15 yards/minute....against SC, the aggies, with hill, only gained 18.07 yards/min....another interesting stat: hill gained 511 passing on 60 attempts or 8.52 yd/att; against alabama manziel passed for 464 yds on 39 attempts for an ave of 11.89 yd/att; manziel's passing yds/att for the whole year (in 2013) were 9.6 yd/att...better than hills average in his record breaking game.....like i say...i don't want to take anything away from hill...but manziel's averages were better on a per attempt or per minute basis....hill has the luxury of playing with a decent defense...that could even handle a good team like south carolina....we all know the aggies defense last year sucked and they struggled against just about everyone....
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I'm A&M class of '94.
For OP's question, this his been discussed at great length on TexAgs. My opinion, which seems pretty common there, is that Johnny is a special talent who was fortunate enough to play in a system that highlighted his skills, for coaches that were willing to adapt the system to the players.
So was Johnny's success at A&M due to him or was it the system? Is it the peanut butter or the chocolate? Both - they went well together.
As for Kenny Hill, he did a stellar job running Sumlin's system closer to its design than Johnny did. But I'd still take Johnny back without a second thought.
As for Kenny Hill, he did a stellar job running Sumlin's system closer to its design than Johnny did. But I'd still take Johnny back without a second thought.
Deal!
Welcome to the forum... I will say that Manziel possesses an extraordinary knack for turning busted plays into gains...
Matched only by his willingness to bust plays that were there...
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Whatever! They beat the piss out of Carolina and it was great!!!
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Just sayin'-got to draft this guy! Browns miss on this with the Buffalo pick then shame on us.
"Texas A&M OT Cedric Ogbuehi was as good as advertised in his first game at left tackle for the Aggies. The 6-5, 305-pound senior dominated the line of scrimmage with his combination of size, strength and power, while also exhibiting the technical skills that scouts covet in premier offensive tackles. He repeated stoned Gamecock defenders with strong jams following short sets, which left them unable to harass Hill in the pocket. Consequently, the Aggies' young QB enjoyed a banner day without facing much pressure from a defense that normally bullies passers into submission. Given the importance NFL evaluators place on protecting the quarterback in the pocket, Ogbuehi's strong showing at left tackle will only enhance his value in war rooms around the league."
Bucky Brooks-NFL Media Analyst
See any fat there? http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2014/01/80582041.jpg
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Just sayin'-got to draft this guy! Browns miss on this with the Buffalo pick then shame on us.
"Texas A&M OT Cedric Ogbuehi was as good as advertised in his first game at left tackle for the Aggies. The 6-5, 305-pound senior dominated the line of scrimmage with his combination of size, strength and power, while also exhibiting the technical skills that scouts covet in premier offensive tackles. He repeated stoned Gamecock defenders with strong jams following short sets, which left them unable to harass Hill in the pocket. Consequently, the Aggies' young QB enjoyed a banner day without facing much pressure from a defense that normally bullies passers into submission. Given the importance NFL evaluators place on protecting the quarterback in the pocket, Ogbuehi's strong showing at left tackle will only enhance his value in war rooms around the league."
Bucky Brooks-NFL Media Analyst
See any fat there? http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2014/01/80582041.jpg
See any fat there? http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2014/01/80582041.jpg
Yes... but not much.
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