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  • I'm A&M class of '94.

    For OP's question, this his been discussed at great length on TexAgs. My opinion, which seems pretty common there, is that Johnny is a special talent who was fortunate enough to play in a system that highlighted his skills, for coaches that were willing to adapt the system to the players.

    So was Johnny's success at A&M due to him or was it the system? Is it the peanut butter or the chocolate? Both - they went well together.

    As for Kenny Hill, he did a stellar job running Sumlin's system closer to its design than Johnny did. But I'd still take Johnny back without a second thought.

  • I'm A&M class of '94.

    For OP's question, this his been discussed at great length on TexAgs. My opinion, which seems pretty common there, is that Johnny is a special talent who was fortunate enough to play in a system that highlighted his skills, for coaches that were willing to adapt the system to the players.

    So was Johnny's success at A&M due to him or was it the system? Is it the peanut butter or the chocolate? Both - they went well together.

    As for Kenny Hill, he did a stellar job running Sumlin's system closer to its design than Johnny did. But I'd still take Johnny back without a second thought.

    @howdy2u said:

    I'm A&M class of '94.

    For OP's question, this his been discussed at great length on TexAgs. My opinion, which seems pretty common there, is that Johnny is a special talent who was fortunate enough to play in a system that highlighted his skills, for coaches that were willing to adapt the system to the players.

    So was Johnny's success at A&M due to him or was it the system? Is it the peanut butter or the chocolate? Both - they went well together.

    As for Kenny Hill, he did a stellar job running Sumlin's system closer to its design than Johnny did. But I'd still take Johnny back without a second thought.

    i hope kyle allen gets to play in some of these non conference games coming up....he's supposed to have a great arm...i'd like to see it in action....

  • Agreed on Kyle Allen. From everything I've heard, their performance was very close in the preseason QB competition and Kenny got the nod based more on experience than talent.

    Remind you of anything? 🙂

  • @cvcanedy said:

    Yes, I'm serious. I'm also on this board every single day and don't renember this discussion. So much JF stuff got buried in the first month with fanboys and vitriol.

    Ive been sayin that i was curious how kenny Hill was going to do this year. HMMMMMM Breaks Jff school record in his first game against a top 10 sec team. That right there drops JFF stock. It may not matter but it shows JFF wasnt making the team better around him. He was part of a well oiled system.

    @cdl15 said:

    Ive been sayin that i was curious how kenny Hill was going to do this year. HMMMMMM Breaks Jff school record in his first game against a top 10 sec team. That right there drops JFF stock. It may not matter but it shows JFF wasnt making the team better around him. He was part of a well oiled system.

    i don't want to take anything away from kenny hill...that was a great job...and yes he threw for 511 yards and broke johnny's record of 464 yards against alabama (another quality team) last year...but when you look at the total picture...it was the aggie defense that made the difference...last year the defense couldn't get the opposing offense off the field....and against alabama (where johhny set his record) the aggies only possessed the ball for 24:58 minutes....against south carolina, the aggies possessed the ball fro 37:38 minutes...a huge difference....against carolina the aggies had time to run 99 plays; against alabama last year they only had time to run 76 plays....that's the difference...against alabama in 2013 the aggies, with manziel, gained 25.15 yards/minute....against SC, the aggies, with hill, only gained 18.07 yards/min....another interesting stat: hill gained 511 passing on 60 attempts or 8.52 yd/att; against alabama manziel passed for 464 yds on 39 attempts for an ave of 11.89 yd/att; manziel's passing yds/att for the whole year (in 2013) were 9.6 yd/att...better than hills average in his record breaking game.....like i say...i don't want to take anything away from hill...but manziel's averages were better on a per attempt or per minute basis....hill has the luxury of playing with a decent defense...that could even handle a good team like south carolina....we all know the aggies defense last year sucked and they struggled against just about everyone....

  • I'm A&M class of '94.

    For OP's question, this his been discussed at great length on TexAgs. My opinion, which seems pretty common there, is that Johnny is a special talent who was fortunate enough to play in a system that highlighted his skills, for coaches that were willing to adapt the system to the players.

    So was Johnny's success at A&M due to him or was it the system? Is it the peanut butter or the chocolate? Both - they went well together.

    As for Kenny Hill, he did a stellar job running Sumlin's system closer to its design than Johnny did. But I'd still take Johnny back without a second thought.

    @howdy2u said:

    As for Kenny Hill, he did a stellar job running Sumlin's system closer to its design than Johnny did. But I'd still take Johnny back without a second thought.

    Deal! 😉 Welcome to the forum...

    @tim-couch-pulls-out said:

    I will say that Manziel possesses an extraordinary knack for turning busted plays into gains...

    Matched only by his willingness to bust plays that were there...

  • Whatever! They beat the piss out of Carolina and it was great!!!

  • Just sayin'-got to draft this guy! Browns miss on this with the Buffalo pick then shame on us.

    "Texas A&M OT Cedric Ogbuehi was as good as advertised in his first game at left tackle for the Aggies. The 6-5, 305-pound senior dominated the line of scrimmage with his combination of size, strength and power, while also exhibiting the technical skills that scouts covet in premier offensive tackles. He repeated stoned Gamecock defenders with strong jams following short sets, which left them unable to harass Hill in the pocket. Consequently, the Aggies' young QB enjoyed a banner day without facing much pressure from a defense that normally bullies passers into submission. Given the importance NFL evaluators place on protecting the quarterback in the pocket, Ogbuehi's strong showing at left tackle will only enhance his value in war rooms around the league."

    Bucky Brooks-NFL Media Analyst

    See any fat there? http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2014/01/80582041.jpg

  • Just sayin'-got to draft this guy! Browns miss on this with the Buffalo pick then shame on us.

    "Texas A&M OT Cedric Ogbuehi was as good as advertised in his first game at left tackle for the Aggies. The 6-5, 305-pound senior dominated the line of scrimmage with his combination of size, strength and power, while also exhibiting the technical skills that scouts covet in premier offensive tackles. He repeated stoned Gamecock defenders with strong jams following short sets, which left them unable to harass Hill in the pocket. Consequently, the Aggies' young QB enjoyed a banner day without facing much pressure from a defense that normally bullies passers into submission. Given the importance NFL evaluators place on protecting the quarterback in the pocket, Ogbuehi's strong showing at left tackle will only enhance his value in war rooms around the league."

    Bucky Brooks-NFL Media Analyst

    See any fat there? http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2014/01/80582041.jpg

  • @cdl15 said:

    Ive been sayin that i was curious how kenny Hill was going to do this year. HMMMMMM Breaks Jff school record in his first game against a top 10 sec team. That right there drops JFF stock. It may not matter but it shows JFF wasnt making the team better around him. He was part of a well oiled system.

    i don't want to take anything away from kenny hill...that was a great job...and yes he threw for 511 yards and broke johnny's record of 464 yards against alabama (another quality team) last year...but when you look at the total picture...it was the aggie defense that made the difference...last year the defense couldn't get the opposing offense off the field....and against alabama (where johhny set his record) the aggies only possessed the ball for 24:58 minutes....against south carolina, the aggies possessed the ball fro 37:38 minutes...a huge difference....against carolina the aggies had time to run 99 plays; against alabama last year they only had time to run 76 plays....that's the difference...against alabama in 2013 the aggies, with manziel, gained 25.15 yards/minute....against SC, the aggies, with hill, only gained 18.07 yards/min....another interesting stat: hill gained 511 passing on 60 attempts or 8.52 yd/att; against alabama manziel passed for 464 yds on 39 attempts for an ave of 11.89 yd/att; manziel's passing yds/att for the whole year (in 2013) were 9.6 yd/att...better than hills average in his record breaking game.....like i say...i don't want to take anything away from hill...but manziel's averages were better on a per attempt or per minute basis....hill has the luxury of playing with a decent defense...that could even handle a good team like south carolina....we all know the aggies defense last year sucked and they struggled against just about everyone....

    @jim_brown said:

    i don't want to take anything away from kenny hill...that was a great job...and yes he threw for 511 yards and broke johnny's record of 464 yards against alabama (another quality team) last year...but when you look at the total picture...it was the aggie defense that made the difference...last year the defense couldn't get the opposing offense off the field....and against alabama (where johhny set his record) the aggies only possessed the ball for 24:58 minutes....against south carolina, the aggies possessed the ball fro 37:38 minutes...a huge difference....against carolina the aggies had time to run 99 plays; against alabama last year they only had time to run 76 plays....that's the difference...against alabama in 2013 the aggies, with manziel, gained 25.15 yards/minute....against SC, the aggies, with hill, only gained 18.07 yards/min....another interesting stat: hill gained 511 passing on 60 attempts or 8.52 yd/att; against alabama manziel passed for 464 yds on 39 attempts for an ave of 11.89 yd/att; manziel's passing yds/att for the whole year (in 2013) were 9.6 yd/att...better than hills average in his record breaking game.....like i say...i don't want to take anything away from hill...but manziel's averages were better on a per attempt or per minute basis....hill has the luxury of playing with a decent defense...that could even handle a good team like south carolina....we all know the aggies defense last year sucked and they struggled against just about everyone....

    if the manziel had thrown 60 times against alabama last year, at 11.89 yd/attempt, he would have thrown for 713 yards....over 200 more than hill's new record......on the other hand, if the aggie defense continues to hang tough and hill and the offense continues to get over 37 minutes of possession each game...katie bar the door...the aggies will be headed for the national championship.....but with auburn, alabama, lsu, and other sec power houses still to come, it's wishful thinking that they can dominate all those team like they did south carolina....still a great start...sumlin has done a fantastic job recruiting and getting his team ready....let's hope he stays in college station a long time....

  • Just sayin'-got to draft this guy! Browns miss on this with the Buffalo pick then shame on us.

    "Texas A&M OT Cedric Ogbuehi was as good as advertised in his first game at left tackle for the Aggies. The 6-5, 305-pound senior dominated the line of scrimmage with his combination of size, strength and power, while also exhibiting the technical skills that scouts covet in premier offensive tackles. He repeated stoned Gamecock defenders with strong jams following short sets, which left them unable to harass Hill in the pocket. Consequently, the Aggies' young QB enjoyed a banner day without facing much pressure from a defense that normally bullies passers into submission. Given the importance NFL evaluators place on protecting the quarterback in the pocket, Ogbuehi's strong showing at left tackle will only enhance his value in war rooms around the league."

    Bucky Brooks-NFL Media Analyst

    See any fat there? http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2014/01/80582041.jpg

    @texasag1969 said:

    Just sayin'-got to draft this guy! Browns miss on this with the Buffalo pick then shame on us.

    "Texas A&M OT Cedric Ogbuehi was as good as advertised in his first game at left tackle for the Aggies. The 6-5, 305-pound senior dominated the line of scrimmage with his combination of size, strength and power, while also exhibiting the technical skills that scouts covet in premier offensive tackles. He repeated stoned Gamecock defenders with strong jams following short sets, which left them unable to harass Hill in the pocket. Consequently, the Aggies' young QB enjoyed a banner day without facing much pressure from a defense that normally bullies passers into submission. Given the importance NFL evaluators place on protecting the quarterback in the pocket, Ogbuehi's strong showing at left tackle will only enhance his value in war rooms around the league."

    Bucky Brooks-NFL Media Analyst

    See any fat there? http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2014/01/80582041.jp

    myles garrett is the guy who has me excited that the aggies may actually have a pass rush this year,,,,,