Would anyone be dissapointed if the Browns took Crabtree is he's still there?
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I sure the hell wouldn't. Might be arguably the best player in the draft but I dont see the Lions taking yet another receiver this year
I seriously don't think KC or Rams will draft him. Seattle might so that means there is a 50/50 chance he will still be there. 
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drafting a WR would be dumb, between stallworth and BE we're fine at WR. not to mention winslow, and hieden.
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drafting a WR would be dumb, between stallworth and BE we're fine at WR. not to mention winslow, and hieden.
drafting a WR would be dumb, between stallworth and BE we're fine at WR. not to mention winslow, and hieden.
Stallworth? How much has he played since he's been here? Heiden? 
would not consider him a staple in our offense. Good backup though. So you would rather go with that lineup instead of Crabtree,Edwards,Stallworth in the slot(if he can ever get healthy) Winslow and Rucker? We can get Crabtree and still get our LB's. I heard many times that the draft is deep with linebackers. Hell we can get LB's in free agency(depending whether or not they resign of we make a serious run for them) Dansby,Farrior,Suggs,B.Scott, and of course Julius Peppers. If we can land at lest 2 of those guys we can still get another one in the draft. -
I'm sorry but I have to comment on Stallworth again!
I don't care what he did in NE, he hasn't showed me sh*t yet in Cleveland. Well the only thing he has showed me is that he is CONSTANTLY injured and grossly OVERPAYED! 7 years contract? are they for real? The only reason I that I can think of for that is cap space or something. What has Stallworth done to merit not drafting Crabtree to take his place? -
its called drafting needs over a flashy WR. same reason drafting joe thomas was better than getting a WR that year. you can't just draft WRs and RBs every single year. you have to fill out your other positions.
we have a solid recieving core, now that we'll have a QB that can get the ball to them we'll have a fine offense
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I wouldn't be disappointed, but I don't think we should take Crabtree with our first pick, our glaring need is on the D right now.
About Stallworth...I think if we can find a receiver in FA to take his place then he's gone. I know that Savage thought he could be a good #2, he was when healthy, but the guy has been plagued by injury his whole career.
In my opinion we either take Curry at #5 or trade down.
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I would be. I want a trade down for more picks.
The defense just has to be addressed. Look at the Super bowl winners this year. The league's #1 defense.
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I would be. I want a trade down for more picks.
The defense just has to be addressed. Look at the Super bowl winners this year. The league's #1 defense.
oldcow1945 said:
I would be. I want a trade down for more picks.The defense just has to be addressed. Look at the Super bowl winners this year. The league's #1 defense.
Just because they had the number 1 defense doesn't mean you have to have a number 1 defense. Last year(10-6) our offense was in the top 5 or so and if we had at least a top 10 rated defense instead od one rated at 31st, we would have been contenders. we are closer to having an elite offense than we are a defense. We can still get pieces from free agency and continue to build the D because face it, it can only get better no matter what. I say if you can get another major weapon GET IT. Add to the arsenal. Get another RT if possible. My FA priorities would be OLB,ILB,RT,and C. My Draft priorities would be RB,WR,DL, and a OLB. If you can get a guy like bart scott to play inside next to jackson then all we need in the draft is pass rushers. Then there are always the undrafted free agents. Maybe we can find a good gem at ILB to groom with Scott.
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drafting a WR would be dumb, between stallworth and BE we're fine at WR. not to mention winslow, and hieden.
drafting a WR would be dumb, between stallworth and BE we're fine at WR. not to mention winslow, and hieden.
It may be unconventional, but it wouldn't be dumb.
Edwards is gone after this year or we will have to pay him way too much to keep him, and Dainty just doesn't have it.
I agree....it isn't a need today as compared to other positions....but need isn't the way to draft. It is a part of the process no doubt, but it shouldn't be the singular purpose. You do have to think long term. Sure taking some lesser player at a position of need might win an extra game or two this year, but in the long run....???
Crabtree might be the best player in the draft...even selecting Curry is taking a lesser talent....but it is close enough to warrant allowing needs to swing the vote.
If Curry is gone and Crabtree is on the board, it would be dumb not to select him.
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Depends on what we do in free agency. If we bring in some serious LB help (Crowder, Suggs, etc.) then I might be willing to pass on Curry. Still, I think the possibility of trading down if Crabtree falls to us is too strong, so I can't very well justify taking him at #5.
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This is a catch 22 thread..hehehe
I like many others on here feel we need desperately to solidify our defense with a solid impact linebacker but on the otherhand quinn/da/whoever will have no one to throw too except butterfingers and maybe kw2...to me this is a big problem as well.
My first instinct if curry isnt on the board at #5 is to grab crabtree in the unlikely event he is still there at #5 if both are gone we should try to trade down and go for rey mauluga...
The unseen factor is who will we trade and for what before the draft?
Butterfingers is a likely candidate to not cut it in the mankok regime just watching him on last seasons film should be enough to warrant extreme concern from both the coach and GM...kw2 as much as i like him may be approaching the end of his game..smart money parts with him before the inevidable occurs and the browns are left holding the bill(again)..DA is already as good as gone rumors keep surfacing that the browns are already shopping him for a #2...
We have a lot of holes to plug and uncertainty on both sides of the ball and a bad drafting situation unless something gives soon...
I consider our WR corps an area of extreme need as well..we are thin there and emo and me me first mental which is a problem..
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I would be estatic if he is still on the board t #5. This would absolutely be the best possible situation for the Browns. If we want a trade down?..... Teams will be all over us for this dude. We could pick up SEVERAL nice high picks for crabtreee.
If the value is not there in a trade for us. Take him at #5 and do the happy dance! We could have a 1-2-3 punch like no one in the afc. I think Quinn would be drooling over a Crabtree pick. To have Crabtree, Braylon and Stallworth... very ..very nice. (not sure stallworth would still be there..but the 7 year deal is pretty cap friendly I believe). But that would put such pressure on the defensive backfields.. we could actually live another year with Jamal.
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oldcow1945 said:
I would be. I want a trade down for more picks.The defense just has to be addressed. Look at the Super bowl winners this year. The league's #1 defense.
Just because they had the number 1 defense doesn't mean you have to have a number 1 defense. Last year(10-6) our offense was in the top 5 or so and if we had at least a top 10 rated defense instead od one rated at 31st, we would have been contenders. we are closer to having an elite offense than we are a defense. We can still get pieces from free agency and continue to build the D because face it, it can only get better no matter what. I say if you can get another major weapon GET IT. Add to the arsenal. Get another RT if possible. My FA priorities would be OLB,ILB,RT,and C. My Draft priorities would be RB,WR,DL, and a OLB. If you can get a guy like bart scott to play inside next to jackson then all we need in the draft is pass rushers. Then there are always the undrafted free agents. Maybe we can find a good gem at ILB to groom with Scott.
Dacaddyman said:
Just because they had the number 1 defense doesn't mean you have to have a number 1 defense.You don't HAVE to have a #1 defense, but like the saying goes...DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
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@inspecta said:
I don't know, we definitely need an impact player at that pick, and WR generally take a few years to develop, even the top 10 ones.We certainly need to solidify the defense first however we may need to look at FA for at least a true possession reciever our WR position is thin,mental and brittle at best as it stands 1 injury/mental breakdown and we return to last years disaster and mangini will likely want to go with the traditional big blocking TE set..i think our offense may be in serious trouble for a while unless we can do something to bolster our recieving corp and hank frail-ey has to go hadnothing may be able to handle the center only slightly better...
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Dacaddyman said:
Just because they had the number 1 defense doesn't mean you have to have a number 1 defense.You don't HAVE to have a #1 defense, but like the saying goes...DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
You don't HAVE to have a #1 defense, but like the saying goes...DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
I forgot to add this.
Lets look back from from the 1999 year Super Bowl to this past year and see what the winning teams defensive ranking was.
'99 Rams - Total Yards Rank TotYds PassComp PassAtt PassYds PassYPA PassTds PassInts RushAtt RushYds RushYPA RushTds
7 5056 319 596 3867 6.49 19 29 338 1189 3.52 4
'00 Ravens - Total Yards Rank TotYds PassComp PassAtt PassYds PassYPA PassTds PassInts RushAtt RushYds RushYPA RushTds
1 4145 295 528 3175 6.01 11 23 361 970 2.69 5
'01 Pats - Total Yards Rank TotYds PassComp PassAtt PassYds PassYPA PassTds PassInts RushAtt RushYds RushYPA RushTds
24 5586 299 546 3731 6.83 15 22 430 1855 4.31 7
'02 Bucs - Total Yards Rank TotYds PassComp PassAtt PassYds PassYPA PassTds PassInts RushAtt RushYds RushYPA RushTds
1 4339 259 510 2785 5.46 10 31 410 1554 3.79 8
'03 Pats - Total Yards Rank TotYds PassComp PassAtt PassYds PassYPA PassTds PassInts RushAtt RushYds RushYPA RushTds
7 4919 328 618 3485 5.64 11 29 401 1434 3.58 10
'04 Pats - Total Yards Rank TotYds PassComp PassAtt PassYds PassYPA PassTds PassInts RushAtt RushYds RushYPA RushTds
9 5283 315 538 3711 6.90 18 20 405 1572 3.88 9
'05 Steelers - Total Yards Rank TotYds PassComp PassAtt PassYds PassYPA PassTds PassInts RushAtt RushYds RushYPA RushTds
5 4848 315 549 3480 6.34 15 15 402 1368 3.40 10
'06 Colts - Total Yards Rank TotYds PassComp PassAtt PassYds PassYPA PassTds PassInts RushAtt RushYds RushYPA RushTds
17 5473 266 414 2705 6.53 16 15 519 2768 5.33 20
'07 Giants - Total Yards Rank TotYds PassComp PassAtt PassYds PassYPA PassTds PassInts RushAtt RushYds RushYPA RushTds
7 4880 306 523 3317 6.50 24 15 408 1563 4.19 12
'08 Steelers - Total Yards Rank TotYds PassComp PassAtt PassYds PassYPA PassTds PassInts RushAtt RushYds RushYPA RushTds
1 3796 301 533 2512 4.71 12 20 390 1284 3.29 7
8 out of the last 10 Super Bowl winning teams had a defense in the top 10. Coincidence?
EDIT: Sorry the chart came out crappy.
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its called drafting needs over a flashy WR. same reason drafting joe thomas was better than getting a WR that year. you can't just draft WRs and RBs every single year. you have to fill out your other positions.
we have a solid recieving core, now that we'll have a QB that can get the ball to them we'll have a fine offense
its called drafting needs over a flashy WR. same reason drafting joe thomas was better than getting a WR that year. you can't just draft WRs and RBs every single year. you have to fill out your other positions.
we have a solid recieving core, now that we'll have a QB that can get the ball to them we'll have a fine offense
Do you honestly believe that they have a solid receiving corps? HONESTLY?? What receivers were you watching last year? JJ? Nope. Stallworth? Mostly Nope. BE? When he bothered to catch it. Winslow? When he wasn't injured. But they are solid, right?
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This is stupid..... how many impact recievers did Detroit have... like 5! DEFENCE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!! End of story!!!!
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The best thing the Browns can do is take the best player available. If it's Crabtree, then so be it.
Neb is absolutely correct. This WR corps is anything but solid. It needs a complete overhaul. BE sucks. One good year amongst a plethora of bad years. I will be saying "good riddance" when he's gone. $8m per year for the league leader in dropped passes...no thanks!
This isn't a situation where it's Super Bowl 2009 or bust. This is gonna take a few years and a few drafts. We can be competitive sooner rather than later, but it's gonna take more than the 2009 offseason to right this ship.
We need LBs, we need a DE, we need Safeties, we need OL, we need a RB, and yes, we need WRs. That's just starters. We also need depth. I don't want to see late round projects thrown into the fire when a starter goes down.
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