DA is just one component in a TEAM game.
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I think history will judge him in the Jim Everett area.
Or Tommy Maddox, in more ways than one I guess.
Scott Mitchell
And one more thing for defending DA, lets all not forget that one of the TDs on the board was a Cribbs return and another was pick that few WR could have taken away from a DB.
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Scott MitchellAnd one more thing for defending DA, lets all not forget that one of the TDs on the board was a Cribbs return and another was pick that few WR could have taken away from a DB.
And Jason Wright never broke the plane.
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This is becoming a sort of DA religion war and I don't think that's right.
Yes, the QB is just one eleventh of the offense. But he handles the ball on every snap and at least half of those snaps are for passes. Just because of that he cannot be considered one eleventh of the team.
Look at the Falcons. They have a rookie at the helm and they don't have a better team than the Browns.
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... the losing component.
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This is becoming a sort of DA religion war and I don't think that's right.Yes, the QB is just one eleventh of the offense. But he handles the ball on every snap and at least half of those snaps are for passes. Just because of that he cannot be considered one eleventh of the team.
Look at the Falcons. They have a rookie at the helm and they don't have a better team than the Browns.
Yes, look at Atlanta!!!!! LOL, the #1 Rushing team in the League ... yes, look to them and scratch head as to why their QB gets pimped for having a less completion percentage than Derek Anderson.
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When will this DA madness stop? It's incredible the lengths people go to defend this guy. It really makes ZERO sense at this point.Yes, football is a team game but COMPLETING PASSES IS SOLELY ON THE QB.
DA does not do that fundamental job very well. He simply does not complete enough passes to sustain drives.
Do you want to know why our D gets gashed by the run? Because they are on the field ALL THE TIME.
And they're just not good enough yet to make the big play to get off the field. Our coaches know that, which is why we play bend-don't-break D.
Which means having an offense that AT LEAST gets a few first downs each drive is CRUCIAL to the D's success. Therefore, having a QB who can complete more than 50% of his passes is ESSENTIAL to the O.
DA isn't that guy.
By the way, Jamal Lewis is slowing down big-time and his lack of burst is hurting the O. So answer me this:
If we had Chris Johnson or Matt Forte or Tim Hightower or Kevin Smith sitting on the bench, would you be okay with that too?
Dama you make way too much sense bro. I'm 100% with ya.
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Bottom line: Anderception had 3 minutes, the ball in his hands, and a 3-point deficit in the 4th quarter and did the worst possible thing he could have done.
Defend that shit, losers.
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I like the argument of how much a qB gets paid is equivelent to his importance on the field. How much does Joe Thomas or Steinbach get paid?..........
Steinbach went out in the 4th.... Tucker did not play nor Vickers..... Blocking, blocking funny the busted screen play came from the left side.
If you have a 2 td lead and cant hold on to it because you cant run there for are forced to throw to who again? Oh yeah Winslow and droppsies Braylon. The defense is again not stretched because we have steptoe as our number two.
You people are so fixated on anger and criticism of DA even though for most of the game he had a pretty good first half and third quarter WITHOUT the benefit of a rushing game or another legitimate wide reciever.
Yes the QB has a different value than say a blocking fb like a queen on a chess board versus a pawn. If you take away the pawn on a chess board from one team and say a rook plus a knight all on oneside the tactics and balance shift toward favoring the other team.
We need to be able to run the ball and at least slow down the run for clock management (fatigue), we need to be able to block for the run and pass (steinbach and tucker, vickers) and you need people to catch the ball or relieve and open up the field to the pressure defenses put on be and kw.
7tds and 2 ints in 5 games is not bad production. You cant lay all of our woes on just DA and call for his head because you think the game is that simple.
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the more we lose, the stupider everyone gets.....
someone misses an assignment...its DA's fault.
someone drops a ball.....DA's fault.
defense can't stop a child on a tricycle....DA's fault.
coaches haven't graduated past highschool schemes....DA's fault.
i came here to get some sports analysis....im seemingly in the wrong place.
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Ok what is it about a screen do you not understand? They are suppose to let the rush in, there was no missed block just a throw to the defender because DA cant handle any pressure, that simple. DA blew that game and did not have the great game you guys want to act like he did. He was saved an int for a TD, cribbs was sitting him up with great field position and when playing calling put him in behind situations he crumbled. That simple, DA is not the QB we all wanted him to be, time to move on.
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.... because DA cant handle any pressure, that simple. DA blew that game and did not have the great game you guys want to act like he did.You mean that DA can't handle this kind of pressure (at mid game never the less):
Down 10-7
Anderson is 5-of-6 for 61 yards in a 11-play Drive that is capped by a Dawson Field goal to tie the score at 10-10.
Raven's take lead with FG of their own and are up 10-13.
Anderson gets the ball back with 00:25 before the half and nails two straight passes, netting 30-yards and Dawson ties the score again at 13-13 with a 54-yard field goal at the half.
Cribbs gets us good field position on a 30+ punt return, and Anderson goes to work immediately with a 28-yard TD pass as Edwards wrestles it from coverage. Putting us up 20-13.
We get the ball back again and Anderson goes 3-of-3 for 45 yards on the 8-play 72-yard drive to increase our lead to 14 (27-13).
He was 11-of-14 for 164 yards with 2 TD's & 2 FG drives in those come from behind/tie game/take a 14 point lead/ drives. Were those not pressure drives enough to be given any credit?
Add in Cribbs Punt Return for a score, and you mean to tell me that the Defense played up to this calibre at any time during that game?
The Defense was the weak link.
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No of course those things are not factored in Ate, because even in this Team game with muli million dollar components only DA is to be blamed. Some Fans dont understand why a QB without a Defense last year led us to potent offense that had to score almost everytime because our D got 10 wins, the best home game record in franchise history, 30+ total tds 3700 yds as a first year starter is still playing.
They dont see that BE and his problems gives us only ONE consistent reciever KW, The multiple injuries puts 3rd string and cut players into the starting linup at skill spots the QB has to rely on. JJ, and Stallworth gone along with Be who drops constantly might give a qb a problem. They dont see that JL and our o line has not done very good on running the ball putting too much pressure on our already depleted skill players on the passing part of our offense.
No DA cant handle the pressure of 60k fans who boo him on a regular basis and chant brady along with the media. Coming back from deficits etc.
Is he perfect? NOT BY A LONG SHOT but again this is a complicated game that SEEMS simple. The instant shots of every formation that is played and then printed for review on the opposing sidelines along with the MIllions of dollars in coaching and support staff must all be EASY and simple as replacing a QB.
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So there is pressure in moving the ball 30 yards? Come on, Cribbs got everybody rev'd up and DA came in and threw a couple of passes. The guy does look good on some plays I might add, he isnt starting with out some reason. He does look good in some instances, like the Giants game, and really really bad in others, if everything is going right and the weight of the game isnt on his shoulders he can play. But if you want him to come behind in crunch time you are going to be sorely upset, because he is incapable of doing it.
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Oh yea, and about the defense just a few days ago everybody was happy with the growth of the Defense, now they are a bunch of bums who cant stop anybody. Well I got news for you, because the offense went 3 and out 5 straight times is the reason the defense fell apart. We all know that Shaun Rogers is the reason this defense plays well when it does. And the defense did look good in the first half when we was able to move the ball and let the defense rest. But when Rogers is on the field constanly for the 3rd and 4th quarters you get what we got. No secondary can cover NFL recievers with unlimited amount of time. We had no pass rush and that is a direct result of not getting our defense off the field.
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So there is pressure in moving the ball 30 yards?No, maybe you missed the part that he was 11-of-14 for 164 yards with 2 TD's in four consecutive drives where his offense tied the score twice, and took the lead and then increased it to a 14-point margin. 30 can be divided into 164 five times though, if you wish to look at it in those increments.
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Come on, Cribbs got everybody rev'd up and DA came in and threw a couple of passes.Actually you are wrong. Cribbs took one to the house requiring no passes and the other good return he left it at the 28 yard line and it only took the offense ONE pass to turn that one into 6-points. But it was the other 10-of-13 for 136 in three other come from behind drives, including one getting the ball back with 00:25 that you may have trouble discounting as not pressure packed.
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if everything is going right and the weight of the game isnt on his shoulders he can play. But if you want him to come behind in crunch time you are going to be sorely upset, because he is incapable of doing it.Why would he be blamed for 17 unanswered points where we forced the run on first and second down and our defense rolled over like Paris Hilton?
He should have never been in that position. The fact that he was is because the defense didn't feed off of Cribbs returns and the Offense success and they laid an egg in giving up the big plays and the tying, go-ahead scores ... they must handle pressure better huh?
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.... because DA cant handle any pressure, that simple. DA blew that game and did not have the great game you guys want to act like he did.You mean that DA can't handle this kind of pressure (at mid game never the less):
Down 10-7
Anderson is 5-of-6 for 61 yards in a 11-play Drive that is capped by a Dawson Field goal to tie the score at 10-10.
Raven's take lead with FG of their own and are up 10-13.
Anderson gets the ball back with 00:25 before the half and nails two straight passes, netting 30-yards and Dawson ties the score again at 13-13 with a 54-yard field goal at the half.
Cribbs gets us good field position on a 30+ punt return, and Anderson goes to work immediately with a 28-yard TD pass as Edwards wrestles it from coverage. Putting us up 20-13.
We get the ball back again and Anderson goes 3-of-3 for 45 yards on the 8-play 72-yard drive to increase our lead to 14 (27-13).
He was 11-of-14 for 164 yards with 2 TD's & 2 FG drives in those come from behind/tie game/take a 14 point lead/ drives. Were those not pressure drives enough to be given any credit?
Add in Cribbs Punt Return for a score, and you mean to tell me that the Defense played up to this calibre at any time during that game?
The Defense was the weak link.
So what you're saying is DA led us to 2 field goals in the first half? What a stud!
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Yes its a team game, so lets look at it objectively.
Let's look up the lowest NFL ranking player on the Browns offense by position. OK, now let's look to the bench to see if there is anyone there that may be better.
DA!! He's the lowest ranked player on the offense AND he has a first rounder behind him!!
Argh!!! Why is this hard to understand?!!
The leader of the offense is the lowest ranked player we have!
Someone talk me down!
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Ok let me spell it out for you.
DA has the ability to look good on some occasions, otherwise he wouldnt be starting with BQ on the bench
He had moments he looked good in this game
When it came down to it he couldnt get the job done.
Is there blame to be laid else where? YES play calling for one, you dont go into prevent in the 3rd quarter only up 14 for starters
Defense was worn out by the end of this game, Shuan Rogers needs some help in creating pressure, namely blizting
We stopped blizting in the 3rd to go into our prevent defense
So bad coaching put us in the position where DA needed to make a drive, HE COULD NOT DO IT!!!!
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OK, I'm calm now.
We have no idea if Quinn will be any better, and yes things can be worse. But who could fault the Browns for giving it a whirl?
Q: "Why would you replace DA? Your 10-win starter from last year. A pro-bowler."
A: "Well, we gave DA a chance. But, we're 3-5 and he's at the bottom of the league for QB's. We thought we'd try Quinn and see if we could generate a spark. We gave up a lot to get him, so we believed in him, and its time to see if we were right".
Sound reasonable to me.
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So what you're saying is DA led us to 2 field goals in the first half? What a stud!
If that's the way you want to read it, but both tied the game and the discussion was about pressure situations. Care to add anything along thoes lines? or about the next 14 points we scored thereafter before Braylon killed two consectutive drives with third down drops?
Who we focusing on about pressure? The defense who got bend over like a cheap whore? Nope! Braylon Edwards who choked on the deep ball and securing first downs? Nope! Jamal Lewis for knowing his job is to move the chains and keep the clock moving to protect a 14-point lead at Home in the second half? Nope! Derek Anderson for getting things clicking with a mentally challenged #1 WR, no #2 WR, a TE that is still running school yard 5-6 cut fakes, An over-rated Line that can't run block to gain an important yard, or a Running Back that played tougher wearing purple? You guessed it ... the paper fans sing again.
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