Braylon Edwards
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That's why I posted what I did...he is a me first player.....just like Leon.
Braby needs to go. I have a feeling Mangini isn't going to like Edwards once he spends more than a few hours around him.
That's why I posted what I did...he is a me first player.....
Show me a good WR who isn't a me first player and doesn't always want the ball in his hand, and 9/10 time you'll be showing me a #2 at best WR.
Ego and me first is the nature of the WR position in the NFL. It's part of why you need a mentally strong leader at the QB position.
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That's why I posted what I did...he is a me first player.....
Show me a good WR who isn't a me first player and doesn't always want the ball in his hand, and 9/10 time you'll be showing me a #2 at best WR.
Ego and me first is the nature of the WR position in the NFL. It's part of why you need a mentally strong leader at the QB position.
Masters said:
Show me a good WR who isn't a me first player and doesn't always want the ball in his hand, and 9/10 time you'll be showing me a #2 at best WR.Ego and me first is the nature of the WR position in the NFL. It's part of why you need a mentally strong leader at the QB position.
You are absolutely right about the WR position. It is loaded with primadonnas. But, Fitzgerald isn't the "me" first guy that Boldin is. Do you want to call Hines Ward a #1. Andre Johnson seems to have both feet on the ground and never says shit, even when he doesn't get the ball.
I think my point in the matter is that Crabtree has gained the rep as a guy with very high character and a team player. I have never read a report of him running his mouth or complaining about not getting the ball. So I gauge Edward's value and see if the opportunity is there for a trade if the Browns take Crabtree. If not, I'm sure there are some teams that would love to trade up to get Crabtree.
I don't think Edwards is a waste, but I believe he will walk next year as a free agent. That's want "Me" first guys do. They play hard their contract years and look for the biggest paycheck, it's not about winning to them.
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I agree.....wanting the ball is different from being a me first player.
Ward isn't a me first player....he is a team guy.
Braby doesn't have anything to do with team.
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Edwards isn't a me first guy. He is just a "me" guy.
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I agree.....wanting the ball is different from being a me first player.
Ward isn't a me first player....he is a team guy.
Braby doesn't have anything to do with team.
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That's why I posted what I did...he is a me first player.....
Show me a good WR who isn't a me first player and doesn't always want the ball in his hand, and 9/10 time you'll be showing me a #2 at best WR.
Ego and me first is the nature of the WR position in the NFL. It's part of why you need a mentally strong leader at the QB position.
Masters said:
Show me a good WR who isn't a me first player and doesn't always want the ball in his hand, and 9/10 time you'll be showing me a #2 at best WR.Ego and me first is the nature of the WR position in the NFL. It's part of why you need a mentally strong leader at the QB position.
There are so many great ones that had a good attitude and were team players.
Marvin Harrison is about as soft spoken as a player can get.
Jerry Rice was not egotistical.
Steve Largent was a team player.
There are more but that's off the top of my head.
Ego and a "Me first" mentality IS NOT a prerequisite for a quality WR
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All Edwards has to do to get along in Cleveland is #1) keep his stupid mouth shut , and #2)catch the damn ball .
#1 Impossible (because he is all mouth)
#2 Improbable (because he lacks guts)
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All Edwards has to do to get along in Cleveland is #1) keep his stupid mouth shut , and #2)catch the damn ball .
#1 Impossible (because he is all mouth)
#2 Improbable (because he lacks guts)
All Edwards has to do to get along in Cleveland is #1) keep his stupid mouth shut , and #2)catch the damn ball .
#1 Impossible (because he is all mouth)
#2 Improbable (because he lacks guts)
But what about the five hour energy drink?...he has some 'friend' that asks for some every day on his way to practice....but I guess he is the Five Hour Energy Driver
Edwards is a self serving tool
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there are two problems with trading edwards: 1) we have no one to replace him and 2) his value is at its absolute lowest. a smarter move would be to let edwards play out the final year on his contract, then franchise him the following year to trade him.
even if we can draft crabtree, it's often said that receivers need two years in the league before they really make the jump to being a superstar, so it could even be a good move to have edwards and crabtree on the field together. if defenses have to account for a second viable receiver, they can't blanket edwards as much and he'll be more productive, thus increasing his trade value once we franchise him the following year. plus, it would keep defenses from stifling and frustrating crabtree so he, too, can have a productive year.
this will be edwards' fifth year in the league. he made the leap after the first two then regressed in his fourth. if we trade him now, we get nothing near what we could if we wait and let him have a productive year. hell, a halfway decent year in 2009 will be far better than the pile of shit he and the rest of the browns produced in 2008.
be patient, people. edwards' value likely can't drop any lower than it already is. we have to wait for his stock to rebound, then franchise and trade him. getting rid of him right now would be selling far too low. also, he'll be less of a whiny little bitch if the team plays better. winning cures almost all ills, unless you're terrell owens. that dude is bona fide batshit insane. braylon's nowhere near that bad.
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Masters said:
Show me a good WR who isn't a me first player and doesn't always want the ball in his hand, and 9/10 time you'll be showing me a #2 at best WR.Ego and me first is the nature of the WR position in the NFL. It's part of why you need a mentally strong leader at the QB position.
There are so many great ones that had a good attitude and were team players.
Marvin Harrison is about as soft spoken as a player can get.
Jerry Rice was not egotistical.
Steve Largent was a team player.
There are more but that's off the top of my head.
Ego and a "Me first" mentality IS NOT a prerequisite for a quality WR
oldcow1945 said:
There are so many great ones that had a good attitude and were team players.Marvin Harrison is about as soft spoken as a player can get.
Jerry Rice was not egotistical.
Steve Largent was a team player.
There are more but that's off the top of my head.
Ego and a "Me first" mentality IS NOT a prerequisite for a quality WR
Um...Jerry Rice was actually known for having a huge ego. He just kept his mouth shot until late in his career (he through temper tantrums while with the Raiders especially). You read any story or interview with him, Montana, Jones, or Craig, they'll all tell you that in the huddle all 3 guys were demanding Joe get them the ball.
Largent was know for the same.
Harrison you don't hear about, but Peyton has said he demands the ball.
2 out of those 3 got to play on great teams. Winning always keeps guys more quiet, as far as in public. 2 of those 3 also played a lot of their career in a time when there wasn't quite the media attention there is today.
Braylon hasn't been out there saying CLE isn't winning because he isn't getting the ball, because they aren't throwing to him, that he's the only guy that cares, etc. Basically he hasn't run his mouth like TO does everywhere he goes, Keyshawn used to do, the way Moss did at the end of his MIN days and pretty soon into his Raiders days. Those are me first behaviors imo.
Braylon likes to play, he likes to win, and he likes Braylon. Nothing wrong w/ any of those 3 characteristics. Braylon had a bad season, he knows it, and he lashed out when boo'd. God forbid he be human. CLE needs to see if he can bounce back. Before the season a large majority on this board were calling him the best WR in the NFL (which I didn't agree with). Now it's ship him off. Let the guy try and bounce back. CLE doesn't lose out if he returns to being the player he was in 2007, which is where his talent level actually is.
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All Edwards has to do to get along in Cleveland is #1) keep his stupid mouth shut , and #2)catch the damn ball .
#1 Impossible (because he is all mouth)
#2 Improbable (because he lacks guts)
All Edwards has to do to get along in Cleveland is #1) keep his stupid mouth shut , and #2)catch the damn ball .
#1 Impossible (because he is all mouth)
#2 Improbable (because he lacks guts)
Funny, up until the very end of 2007 Braylon was making the big catches and taking hits, which is guts. But when the QB keeps leading you into big hits or setting you up for them with bad passes, you tend to get alligator arms. No WR likes to keep getting creamed, especially when that is just about every time you are targeted. People were noticing this at the end of the 2007 season. Not just from Edwards, but also Winslow. They quit fully extending on the tough plays, and regularly shaking their heads after a bad DA pass.
Braylon can easly return to the player that made big play catches like he did before his first injury and like he did most of 2007.
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All Edwards has to do to get along in Cleveland is #1) keep his stupid mouth shut , and #2)catch the damn ball .
#1 Impossible (because he is all mouth)
#2 Improbable (because he lacks guts)
But what about the five hour energy drink?...he has some 'friend' that asks for some every day on his way to practice....but I guess he is the Five Hour Energy Driver
Edwards is a self serving tool
But what about the five hour energy drink?...he has some 'friend' that asks for some every day on his way to practice....but I guess he is the Five Hour Energy Driver
Edwards is a self serving tool
I still can't figure out who his friend would be................................................maybe Stallworth. LOL
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oldcow1945 said:
There are so many great ones that had a good attitude and were team players.Marvin Harrison is about as soft spoken as a player can get.
Jerry Rice was not egotistical.
Steve Largent was a team player.
There are more but that's off the top of my head.
Ego and a "Me first" mentality IS NOT a prerequisite for a quality WR
Um...Jerry Rice was actually known for having a huge ego. He just kept his mouth shot until late in his career (he through temper tantrums while with the Raiders especially). You read any story or interview with him, Montana, Jones, or Craig, they'll all tell you that in the huddle all 3 guys were demanding Joe get them the ball.
Largent was know for the same.
Harrison you don't hear about, but Peyton has said he demands the ball.
2 out of those 3 got to play on great teams. Winning always keeps guys more quiet, as far as in public. 2 of those 3 also played a lot of their career in a time when there wasn't quite the media attention there is today.
Braylon hasn't been out there saying CLE isn't winning because he isn't getting the ball, because they aren't throwing to him, that he's the only guy that cares, etc. Basically he hasn't run his mouth like TO does everywhere he goes, Keyshawn used to do, the way Moss did at the end of his MIN days and pretty soon into his Raiders days. Those are me first behaviors imo.
Braylon likes to play, he likes to win, and he likes Braylon. Nothing wrong w/ any of those 3 characteristics. Braylon had a bad season, he knows it, and he lashed out when boo'd. God forbid he be human. CLE needs to see if he can bounce back. Before the season a large majority on this board were calling him the best WR in the NFL (which I didn't agree with). Now it's ship him off. Let the guy try and bounce back. CLE doesn't lose out if he returns to being the player he was in 2007, which is where his talent level actually is.
Masters said:
Um...Jerry Rice was actually known for having a huge ego. He just kept his mouth shot until late in his career (he through temper tantrums while with the Raiders especially). You read any story or interview with him, Montana, Jones, or Craig, they'll all tell you that in the huddle all 3 guys were demanding Joe get them the ball.Largent was know for the same.
Harrison you don't hear about, but Peyton has said he demands the ball.
2 out of those 3 got to play on great teams. Winning always keeps guys more quiet, as far as in public. 2 of those 3 also played a lot of their career in a time when there wasn't quite the media attention there is today.
Braylon hasn't been out there saying CLE isn't winning because he isn't getting the ball, because they aren't throwing to him, that he's the only guy that cares, etc. Basically he hasn't run his mouth like TO does everywhere he goes, Keyshawn used to do, the way Moss did at the end of his MIN days and pretty soon into his Raiders days. Those are me first behaviors imo.
Braylon likes to play, he likes to win, and he likes Braylon. Nothing wrong w/ any of those 3 characteristics. Braylon had a bad season, he knows it, and he lashed out when boo'd. God forbid he be human. CLE needs to see if he can bounce back. Before the season a large majority on this board were calling him the best WR in the NFL (which I didn't agree with). Now it's ship him off. Let the guy try and bounce back. CLE doesn't lose out if he returns to being the player he was in 2007, which is where his talent level actually is.
The whole point is you want to give him another chance and he has 1 year left on his contract and he is moving on. do you expect that he would resign with the Browns. We aren't going to the super bowl next year so give me something for him (like Crabtree) and let's move on and build a winning team.
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oldcow1945 said:
There are so many great ones that had a good attitude and were team players.Marvin Harrison is about as soft spoken as a player can get.
Jerry Rice was not egotistical.
Steve Largent was a team player.
There are more but that's off the top of my head.
Ego and a "Me first" mentality IS NOT a prerequisite for a quality WR
Um...Jerry Rice was actually known for having a huge ego. He just kept his mouth shot until late in his career (he through temper tantrums while with the Raiders especially). You read any story or interview with him, Montana, Jones, or Craig, they'll all tell you that in the huddle all 3 guys were demanding Joe get them the ball.
Largent was know for the same.
Harrison you don't hear about, but Peyton has said he demands the ball.
2 out of those 3 got to play on great teams. Winning always keeps guys more quiet, as far as in public. 2 of those 3 also played a lot of their career in a time when there wasn't quite the media attention there is today.
Braylon hasn't been out there saying CLE isn't winning because he isn't getting the ball, because they aren't throwing to him, that he's the only guy that cares, etc. Basically he hasn't run his mouth like TO does everywhere he goes, Keyshawn used to do, the way Moss did at the end of his MIN days and pretty soon into his Raiders days. Those are me first behaviors imo.
Braylon likes to play, he likes to win, and he likes Braylon. Nothing wrong w/ any of those 3 characteristics. Braylon had a bad season, he knows it, and he lashed out when boo'd. God forbid he be human. CLE needs to see if he can bounce back. Before the season a large majority on this board were calling him the best WR in the NFL (which I didn't agree with). Now it's ship him off. Let the guy try and bounce back. CLE doesn't lose out if he returns to being the player he was in 2007, which is where his talent level actually is.
Masters said:
Um...Jerry Rice was actually known for having a huge ego. He just kept his mouth shot until late in his career (he through temper tantrums while with the Raiders especially). You read any story or interview with him, Montana, Jones, or Craig, they'll all tell you that in the huddle all 3 guys were demanding Joe get them the ball.Largent was know for the same.
Harrison you don't hear about, but Peyton has said he demands the ball.
2 out of those 3 got to play on great teams. Winning always keeps guys more quiet, as far as in public. 2 of those 3 also played a lot of their career in a time when there wasn't quite the media attention there is today.
Um...That actually doesn't make much sense.
The fact that Rice kept his mouth shut, wouldn't that equate to being a team player? In other words, his ego obviously did not interupt the team's ability to win. He kept his mouth shut. Something Braylon Edwards needs to learn in the worst way. Your own words actually makes my point. He may have had an ego, we all do, especially athletes. But he kept his ego in check. He didn't cry to the media. Montana may have seen an ego, but Rice kept it inside the lockeroom or the huddle. Again, something a team player would do. He didn't advertise it to the world....i.e. Braylon Edwards, T.O. etc.
Finally, The point you made isn't even close to the class of WR that is being dicussed in this post.
Show me one article about Steve Largent's ego being a disruptive force. I want to see one. It's easy to post what you've written but I'd like to see it written somewhere.
I don't know if you realize that Largent, ego in check, gave Rice permission to wear his #80 Jersey when he was aquired by the Seahawks even though Largent's #80 had been retired by the Seahwaks.
It's well known that Largent is a class guy.
Finally your claim about Harrison....Are you sure you are not thinking of Reggie Wayne? Again, I'd like to see where Peyton has said Harrison demanded the ball or that his ego ever caused a problem.
I'll never forget Harrison's record breaking catch. Peyton and Harrison had just broken Young's and Rice's record for most TD passes between one QB and WR...Peyton tried to give Harrison the ball as they ran out of the end zone together. Harrison wouldn't take it. He told Manning to keep it. Sure, Marvin has a huge ego. He's no team guy.
I've heard Peyton talk of Marvin a lot. He loves the guy.
In the 80's their wasn't the media attention that there is today? Are you kidding? The NFL was in the middle of huge growth.
Montana's pass to Dwight Clark in the end zone is an iconic image of the NFL. The NFL was televised on the three major networks and ESPN sure covered it heavily. How about Haye's Stickum and the Boz? The Bear's Super bowl Shuffle? Dan Marino was the biggest thing in Florida since Hurricane Cleo...Well, maybe the biggest thing since the undefeated Dolphins.
Walter Payton breaking the career rushing record? The 1982 OT playoff games between the Dolphins and Chargers is almost as famous as any game. The Dolphins Hook and Latteral in that game...The camera in Kellen Winslow's face as he was being carried off the field after the OT becasue he was too exhausted to walk....Another iconic image of the NFL from the 1980's.
There are many example of the NFL's huge popularity in the 80's. I don't think much has changed since the 80's. The only big change is there are more media whores like T.O.
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I keep thinking of the Raiders when it comes to Edwards. Something about Edwards makes me think he would fit well into the silver and black.
I'd love to see the Browns send him there for a 2nd round pick. With the Raiders #2 the Browns could grab Kenny Britt.
I know you'll all think I'm crazy but that's how much I'd like to see Edwards gone. I think he'll be a cancer and then he'll be gone via being an UFA anyways.
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I love all this hate for "me first" receivers.
Wake up. The league is filled with them and they win championships. Let's see:
Moss - New England
Plaxico - New York
Holmes - Pittsburgh
Last three Super Bowl winners had bigger mouths on their teams than Edwards by a long shot and "managed" their egos to championships.
Who's going to be our number 1 receiver next year if we trade Edwards? Crabtree? If available, he'll break the usual pattern of underwhelming first year before blooming in years 2 or 3. He'll struggle his first year. Stallworth? Un huh.
Nope, Mangini will put some discipline on Edwards (may be what he needs, worked at Michigan) and playing in a contract year we'll get huge numbers from him.
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It doesnt matter that we don't have an immediate replacement. Trade him now, when you will get the most for him. Someone who actually catches most of the passes thrown his way is a better option. Successful business plan for the day after tomorrow and not just tomorrow.
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I love all this hate for "me first" receivers.
Wake up. The league is filled with them and they win championships. Let's see:
Moss - New England
Plaxico - New York
Holmes - Pittsburgh
Last three Super Bowl winners had bigger mouths on their teams than Edwards by a long shot and "managed" their egos to championships.
Who's going to be our number 1 receiver next year if we trade Edwards? Crabtree? If available, he'll break the usual pattern of underwhelming first year before blooming in years 2 or 3. He'll struggle his first year. Stallworth? Un huh.
Nope, Mangini will put some discipline on Edwards (may be what he needs, worked at Michigan) and playing in a contract year we'll get huge numbers from him.
I love all this hate for "me first" receivers.
Wake up. The league is filled with them and they win championships. Let's see:
Moss - New England
Plaxico - New York
Holmes - Pittsburgh
Last three Super Bowl winners had bigger mouths on their teams than Edwards by a long shot and "managed" their egos to championships.
Moss has never won the superbowl.
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I love all this hate for "me first" receivers.
Wake up. The league is filled with them and they win championships. Let's see:
Moss - New England
Plaxico - New York
Holmes - Pittsburgh
Last three Super Bowl winners had bigger mouths on their teams than Edwards by a long shot and "managed" their egos to championships.
Who's going to be our number 1 receiver next year if we trade Edwards? Crabtree? If available, he'll break the usual pattern of underwhelming first year before blooming in years 2 or 3. He'll struggle his first year. Stallworth? Un huh.
Nope, Mangini will put some discipline on Edwards (may be what he needs, worked at Michigan) and playing in a contract year we'll get huge numbers from him.
I love all this hate for "me first" receivers.
Wake up. The league is filled with them and they win championships. Let's see:
Moss - New England
Plaxico - New York
Holmes - Pittsburgh
Last three Super Bowl winners had bigger mouths on their teams than Edwards by a long shot and "managed" their egos to championships.
Who's going to be our number 1 receiver next year if we trade Edwards? Crabtree? If available, he'll break the usual pattern of underwhelming first year before blooming in years 2 or 3. He'll struggle his first year. Stallworth? Un huh.
Nope, Mangini will put some discipline on Edwards (may be what he needs, worked at Michigan) and playing in a contract year we'll get huge numbers from him.
I agree with Moss and Plaxico, but Holmes is a real big stretch. Holmes is a team first guy and always has been. I'd like to see Edwards throw just one block downfield like Holmes does. Plus, at least those guys catch the ball. Big mouths who never accept the blame for dropping passes because of their egos like Edwards, TO and Chad Johnson are cancers that ruin teams. BTW NE and NY weren't one man teams. They both had pro bowl QBs that those guys had to respect.
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Masters said:
Um...Jerry Rice was actually known for having a huge ego. He just kept his mouth shot until late in his career (he through temper tantrums while with the Raiders especially). You read any story or interview with him, Montana, Jones, or Craig, they'll all tell you that in the huddle all 3 guys were demanding Joe get them the ball.Largent was know for the same.
Harrison you don't hear about, but Peyton has said he demands the ball.
2 out of those 3 got to play on great teams. Winning always keeps guys more quiet, as far as in public. 2 of those 3 also played a lot of their career in a time when there wasn't quite the media attention there is today.
Braylon hasn't been out there saying CLE isn't winning because he isn't getting the ball, because they aren't throwing to him, that he's the only guy that cares, etc. Basically he hasn't run his mouth like TO does everywhere he goes, Keyshawn used to do, the way Moss did at the end of his MIN days and pretty soon into his Raiders days. Those are me first behaviors imo.
Braylon likes to play, he likes to win, and he likes Braylon. Nothing wrong w/ any of those 3 characteristics. Braylon had a bad season, he knows it, and he lashed out when boo'd. God forbid he be human. CLE needs to see if he can bounce back. Before the season a large majority on this board were calling him the best WR in the NFL (which I didn't agree with). Now it's ship him off. Let the guy try and bounce back. CLE doesn't lose out if he returns to being the player he was in 2007, which is where his talent level actually is.
The whole point is you want to give him another chance and he has 1 year left on his contract and he is moving on. do you expect that he would resign with the Browns. We aren't going to the super bowl next year so give me something for him (like Crabtree) and let's move on and build a winning team.
The whole point is you want to give him another chance and he has 1 year left on his contract and he is moving on. do you expect that he would resign with the Browns. We aren't going to the super bowl next year so give me something for him (like Crabtree) and let's move on and build a winning team.
If he does return to form, CLE can always finally use that franchise tag. You don't work in a new QB (who has 2 career starts) with no established #1 WR. If CLE can actually grab Crabtree in round 1 at the #5 pick, then maybe trading Edwards will make sense. But that's also using the assumption that Crabtree will come in and play like a #1 WR from day one at the NFL. That is a big gamble. Not just at WR but w/ your QB too.
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