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  • LondonBrown L Dedicated Conversation Starter Reacting Well Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    Of the 68 tackles evaluated by Pro Football Focus this season he currently stands.......68th

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      Of the 68 tackles evaluated by Pro Football Focus this season he currently stands.......68th

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      tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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      @londonbrown said:

      Of the 68 tackles evaluated by Pro Football Focus this season he currently stands.......68th

      I think anyone that has watched the interior line play really doesn't even half to look at PFF. This is in stark contrast to just how good the Dline looked against the run in the pre-season.

      I'll say now that I"m still not a fan of the double eagle looks we tend to give quite often. I feel it plays to the weakness of Big Phi, Desmond, Armonty & Winn. All are 1 gap penetrating lineman.

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        our best defensive performance comes with 3 down lineman and some combo of our OLB'ers, preferably Kruger/Sheard on one side and Mingo on the other. This is when our defense is unstoppable. Having only two down lineman on the field with our talent and depth makes no sense. Putting up 3 on the line disallows teams from doubling up any of our outside rushers. I would even love to see packages where Armonty splits out wide with either Sheard or Kruger split out on the other side with their hands in the dirt...and Mingo is standing up behind Armonty ready to dive in or out depending on where the tackle goes with Bryant. For sure though we've looked the best with 3 DL and Sheard/Kruger/Mingo hovering on the edges. I'd like to see Kruger at the last second put his hand in the dirt more if he smells pass, or have Dansby make the call as he's the defensive cpt. Kruger and Sheard are still best with their hands in the dirt when rushing the passer.

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          tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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          The pass rush isnt primary concern. The interior line cannot stop the run. Pushing the pocket against the pass is a secondary at the moment.

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            The pass rush isnt primary concern. The interior line cannot stop the run. Pushing the pocket against the pass is a secondary at the moment.

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            C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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            depends on the team. Had we kept the same pressure throughout the game on Brees that we did in the 1st quarter, they could have run for 200 yds doesn't matter. It's Brees, and Graham, that score points for that offense. Sunday against the Ravens I'd argue that pressure on Flacco is paramount, especially without Ray Rice. If we shut down Flacco we win, period. These aren't the Jamaal Lewis Ravens that will run for 300 yds if you let up on the run game. Imo we keep the pressure on the Flacco and tell our ILB'ers the run game is your responsibility. Our OLB'ers have done a good job of forcing everything inside so the DL and the ILB'ers will have to step up in run defense. If we can pressure Flacco with just our front four we'll be 2-1 next Monday.

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            The pass rush isnt primary concern. The interior line cannot stop the run. Pushing the pocket against the pass is a secondary at the moment.

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              depends on the team. Had we kept the same pressure throughout the game on Brees that we did in the 1st quarter, they could have run for 200 yds doesn't matter. It's Brees, and Graham, that score points for that offense. Sunday against the Ravens I'd argue that pressure on Flacco is paramount, especially without Ray Rice. If we shut down Flacco we win, period. These aren't the Jamaal Lewis Ravens that will run for 300 yds if you let up on the run game. Imo we keep the pressure on the Flacco and tell our ILB'ers the run game is your responsibility. Our OLB'ers have done a good job of forcing everything inside so the DL and the ILB'ers will have to step up in run defense. If we can pressure Flacco with just our front four we'll be 2-1 next Monday.

              @tiamat63 said:

              The pass rush isnt primary concern. The interior line cannot stop the run. Pushing the pocket against the pass is a secondary at the moment.

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              tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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              @clevfan4life said:

              depends on the team. Had we kept the same pressure throughout the game on Brees that we did in the 1st quarter, they could have run for 200 yds doesn't matter. It's Brees, and Graham, that score points for that offense. Sunday against the Ravens I'd argue that pressure on Flacco is paramount, especially without Ray Rice. If we shut down Flacco we win, period. These aren't the Jamaal Lewis Ravens that will run for 300 yds if you let up on the run game. Imo we keep the pressure on the Flacco and tell our ILB'ers the run game is your responsibility. Our OLB'ers have done a good job of forcing everything inside so the DL and the ILB'ers will have to step up in run defense. If we can pressure Flacco with just our front four we'll be 2-1 next Monday.

              That's cool. Until November and December/January come along, then when you see Rub getting blown off the ball and Phil not in a position to do his thing - we'll have that conversation around that time.

              I know some Bills fans had complained about their rush defense last year as well. Some saying it was schematic with Pettine, others blaming the youth at linebacker. I'm hoping its the later.

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                5150k95 5150k9 wrote on last edited by
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                Thoughts on trading him to the COLTS? They just had Jones go down(carted off), Mathis is gone for the season. Get a pretty high draft pick? thoughts?

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                  Thoughts on trading him to the COLTS? They just had Jones go down(carted off), Mathis is gone for the season. Get a pretty high draft pick? thoughts?

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                  C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                  lols...Colts probably aren't gonna do a trade with us for awhile.

                  @5150k9 said:

                  Thoughts on trading him to the COLTS? They just had Jones go down(carted off), Mathis is gone for the season. Get a pretty high draft pick? thoughts?

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                    @clevfan4life said:

                    depends on the team. Had we kept the same pressure throughout the game on Brees that we did in the 1st quarter, they could have run for 200 yds doesn't matter. It's Brees, and Graham, that score points for that offense. Sunday against the Ravens I'd argue that pressure on Flacco is paramount, especially without Ray Rice. If we shut down Flacco we win, period. These aren't the Jamaal Lewis Ravens that will run for 300 yds if you let up on the run game. Imo we keep the pressure on the Flacco and tell our ILB'ers the run game is your responsibility. Our OLB'ers have done a good job of forcing everything inside so the DL and the ILB'ers will have to step up in run defense. If we can pressure Flacco with just our front four we'll be 2-1 next Monday.

                    That's cool. Until November and December/January come along, then when you see Rub getting blown off the ball and Phil not in a position to do his thing - we'll have that conversation around that time.

                    I know some Bills fans had complained about their rush defense last year as well. Some saying it was schematic with Pettine, others blaming the youth at linebacker. I'm hoping its the later.

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                    C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                    @tiamat63 said:

                    That's cool. Until November and December/January come along, then when you see Rub getting blown off the ball and Phil not in a position to do his thing - we'll have that conversation around that time.

                    I know some Bills fans had complained about their rush defense last year as well. Some saying it was schematic with Pettine, others blaming the youth at linebacker. I'm hoping its the later.

                    what makes you think Rub and Phil are gonna get blown off the ball at the end of the year? Did that happen last year? D line is our strongest asset on defense. If they're getting exposed right now it's gotta be the scheme, not them. It's hard for me to judge cause I can't see the interior play that well on tv....maybe Pettine has them trying to slice the gaps too much and they're getting zoned? I dunno.....With our dline depth I"d rather have them going head up and bullrushing virtually every down. Maybe run some stunts every now and then but otherwise we're built to fold the pocket up from the inside....if our edges keep up their play the QB's are gonna no place to go.

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                      lols...Colts probably aren't gonna do a trade with us for awhile.

                      @5150k9 said:

                      Thoughts on trading him to the COLTS? They just had Jones go down(carted off), Mathis is gone for the season. Get a pretty high draft pick? thoughts?

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                      5150k95 5150k9 wrote on last edited by
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                      @clevfan4life said:

                      lols...Colts probably aren't gonna do a trade with us for awhile.

                      If they are desperate enough. Which seemed to be the case for T Rich....

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                        @clevfan4life said:

                        lols...Colts probably aren't gonna do a trade with us for awhile.

                        If they are desperate enough. Which seemed to be the case for T Rich....

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                        C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                        Colts fans would revolt against the team if they traded another draft pick to the Browns and the trade didn't turn out so well. I like Rubin but if Indy gave us a 1st rounder for him than heck yeah I'd do that trade. There's also players on that team that I'd trade Rubin for. Colts aren't gonna part with any of Lucks weapons, but if they wanted to trade like Werner for Rubin I'd do that. We'd have the best OLB rotation in football along with still the best dline rotation around. I just don't see a trade with them happening, not with us...lol. They got "burned" with trich.

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                        If they are desperate enough. Which seemed to be the case for T Rich....

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                          Colts fans would revolt against the team if they traded another draft pick to the Browns and the trade didn't turn out so well. I like Rubin but if Indy gave us a 1st rounder for him than heck yeah I'd do that trade. There's also players on that team that I'd trade Rubin for. Colts aren't gonna part with any of Lucks weapons, but if they wanted to trade like Werner for Rubin I'd do that. We'd have the best OLB rotation in football along with still the best dline rotation around. I just don't see a trade with them happening, not with us...lol. They got "burned" with trich.

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                          If they are desperate enough. Which seemed to be the case for T Rich....

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                          5150k95 5150k9 wrote on last edited by
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                          @clevfan4life said:

                          Colts fans would revolt against the team if they traded another draft pick to the Browns and the trade didn't turn out so well. I like Rubin but if Indy gave us a 1st rounder for him than heck yeah I'd do that trade. There's also players on that team that I'd trade Rubin for. Colts aren't gonna part with any of Lucks weapons, but if they wanted to trade like Werner for Rubin I'd do that. We'd have the best OLB rotation in football along with still the best dline rotation around. I just don't see a trade with them happening, not with us...lol. They got "burned" with trich.

                          After watching T-Rich's fumble, your right. The fans would revolt, but sure would be nice...

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                            C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                            bwahaha, did he fumble tonight? how bad was it?

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                              5150k95 5150k9 wrote on last edited by
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                              His fumble just let the Eagles drive and tie the game. It was like on the Colts 30..

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                                5150k95 5150k9 wrote on last edited by
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                                Showed him pouting on the sidelines.

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                                  bwahaha, did he fumble tonight? how bad was it?

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                                  MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                                  @clevfan4life said:

                                  bwahaha, did he fumble tonight? how bad was it?

                                  It was 7 points for the other team bad

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                                    C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                                    facepalm

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                                      MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                      He's a DT in a 3-4. All he does is clog holes. How do you rank that?

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                                        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                                        Someone needs to get Jim Irsay liquoured up and take their first rounder next year for some kid on our PS.

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                                          Someone needs to get Jim Irsay liquoured up and take their first rounder next year for some kid on our PS.

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                                          You have heard that Irsay rolls harder than that right? You're gonna need to bring some prime Peruvian flake to that party.

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                                          Someone needs to get Jim Irsay liquoured up and take their first rounder next year for some kid on our PS.

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