O-line Grades Week 2
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Bitonio is looking all-world right now. Damn sure proving the draft pick was correct. JT is a competitor so I'm not really worried about the left side as the season progresses. Let's hope Schwartz picks it up as several here predict he will based on his play last year as the season went on. This is turning into the kind of line this team needs to go with a defense that never gets caught scoreboard watching like Tampa Bay did last night on both sides of the ball.
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Week 2: Final Grades
9 series/ 75 offensive plays
Joe Thomas: +30 -13 net +17 C
Joel Bitonio : +37 - 7 net +30 A+
Alex Mack... : +31 - 9 net +22 B-
John Greco. : +31 - 6 net +25 B
M. Schwartz : +25 -22 net + 3 D-
Week 2: Final Grades
9 series/ 75 offensive plays
Joe Thomas: +30 -13 net +17 C
Joel Bitonio : +37 - 7 net +30 A+
Alex Mack... : +31 - 9 net +22 B-
John Greco. : +31 - 6 net +25 B
M. Schwartz : +25 -22 net + 3 D-
OK, I concede Schwartz is the weak link so far ... on a very good OL.
Any chance your scoring system favors interior lineman, because they don't have the riskier assignments or tougher opponents? Not being a smart ass, just asking. Like when you compare a second baseman's fielding percentage with a third baseman's ... much more room for error on the hot corner.
Zombo
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Week 2: Final Grades
9 series/ 75 offensive plays
Joe Thomas: +30 -13 net +17 C
Joel Bitonio : +37 - 7 net +30 A+
Alex Mack... : +31 - 9 net +22 B-
John Greco. : +31 - 6 net +25 B
M. Schwartz : +25 -22 net + 3 D-
OK, I concede Schwartz is the weak link so far ... on a very good OL.
Any chance your scoring system favors interior lineman, because they don't have the riskier assignments or tougher opponents? Not being a smart ass, just asking. Like when you compare a second baseman's fielding percentage with a third baseman's ... much more room for error on the hot corner.
Zombo
Zombo said:
OK, I concede Schwartz is the weak link so far ... on a very good OL.
Any chance your scoring system favors interior lineman, because they don't have the riskier assignments or tougher opponents? Not being a smart ass, just asking. Like when you compare a second baseman's fielding percentage with a third baseman's ... much more room for error on the hot corner.
Zombo
Fair question and a good point, finally.
Schwartz is bad. We need him to achieve his assignments this week v Baltimore's blitzing OLB's.
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Week 2: Final Grades
9 series/ 75 offensive plays
Joe Thomas: +30 -13 net +17 C
Joel Bitonio : +37 - 7 net +30 A+
Alex Mack... : +31 - 9 net +22 B-
John Greco. : +31 - 6 net +25 B
M. Schwartz : +25 -22 net + 3 D-
OK, I concede Schwartz is the weak link so far ... on a very good OL.
Any chance your scoring system favors interior lineman, because they don't have the riskier assignments or tougher opponents? Not being a smart ass, just asking. Like when you compare a second baseman's fielding percentage with a third baseman's ... much more room for error on the hot corner.
Zombo
Zombo said:
OK, I concede Schwartz is the weak link so far ... on a very good OL.
Any chance your scoring system favors interior lineman, because they don't have the riskier assignments or tougher opponents? Not being a smart ass, just asking. Like when you compare a second baseman's fielding percentage with a third baseman's ... much more room for error on the hot corner.
Very fair question taken in the spirit it was intended... asshole...
What you suggest may well be the case, Z, especially for pass plays. The end of the line in battle always carries the added risk of being outflanked to being overrun. I also agree that the OTs face the biggest potential mismatches, or at least the widest variety of talent... strong bulls vs. fast speedsters.
In pass protection the OTs seem far more likely to fail physically than their interior counterparts. The potential for mental failures are probably close to the same across the O-line (excepting the Center given his line call responsibilities, but I have no way of judging this).
I don't think the same can be said for run plays. Physical failure potentials seem to equalize while mental remains level. This may be even more true in our zone scheme. In the 1st two games there have been a couple times when I did not give a - for a failed assignment, because the apparent assignment looked to be undoable.
For grins I looked at Mitch's negs and of his -22 total, half were earned in runs, and half in passes. Three of his four dbl -'s came on run plays; his one dbl+ was a run play.
As mentioned above Mitch is the weakest link... physically and mentally. That's a bad combo made even worse in a zone scheme. Yet there are times when he absolutely wows me. Then there are times like Series 9 Play 3 (around Q4's 2:30 mark) when:
West ran over left guard; Greco and Mitch cut across to shallow downfield in lock step; John engaged Defender 1 and slid to Defender 2, passing D1 to Mitch; Mitch promptly passed D1 to West... and D1 made the tackle after a 4-yd gain that could have been more.
I do have to note that there were only a handful of plays where it appeared an assist for Mitch was in the design. Then again, I am hard pressed to think of any plays where assists seemed to be designed for any other O-lineman.
Mitch may well improve as the season progresses. Lord knows until he does, other teams are going to supply plenty of opportunities for him to strengthen his weaknesses.
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Bitonio is looking all-world right now. Damn sure proving the draft pick was correct. JT is a competitor so I'm not really worried about the left side as the season progresses. Let's hope Schwartz picks it up as several here predict he will based on his play last year as the season went on. This is turning into the kind of line this team needs to go with a defense that never gets caught scoreboard watching like Tampa Bay did last night on both sides of the ball.
Bitonio is looking all-world right now. Damn sure proving the draft pick was correct. JT is a competitor so I'm not really worried about the left side as the season progresses. Let's hope Schwartz picks it up as several here predict he will based on his play last year as the season went on. This is turning into the kind of line this team needs to go with a defense that never gets caught scoreboard watching like Tampa Bay did last night on both sides of the ball.
Which kind of backs my point that we shouldn't burn high first round skill player picks on OL, when we can get solid "all world" performance further down the list......Bitonio is freaking solid.....love this guy!
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Bitonio is looking all-world right now. Damn sure proving the draft pick was correct. JT is a competitor so I'm not really worried about the left side as the season progresses. Let's hope Schwartz picks it up as several here predict he will based on his play last year as the season went on. This is turning into the kind of line this team needs to go with a defense that never gets caught scoreboard watching like Tampa Bay did last night on both sides of the ball.
Which kind of backs my point that we shouldn't burn high first round skill player picks on OL, when we can get solid "all world" performance further down the list......Bitonio is freaking solid.....love this guy!
Which kind of backs my point that we shouldn't burn high first round skill player picks on OL, when we can get solid "all world" performance further down the list......Bitonio is freaking solid.....love this guy!
lol... there are those *cough cough Ghoulie cough cough* that will argue a 2nd is too high for a "dime-a-dozen O-lineman"...
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Any count on how many times a back or TE was assigned to chip on Schwartz side? I'm sure there's no approximate count you have - a guess would be interesting though.
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Bitonio is looking all-world right now. Damn sure proving the draft pick was correct. JT is a competitor so I'm not really worried about the left side as the season progresses. Let's hope Schwartz picks it up as several here predict he will based on his play last year as the season went on. This is turning into the kind of line this team needs to go with a defense that never gets caught scoreboard watching like Tampa Bay did last night on both sides of the ball.
Which kind of backs my point that we shouldn't burn high first round skill player picks on OL, when we can get solid "all world" performance further down the list......Bitonio is freaking solid.....love this guy!
Which kind of backs my point that we shouldn't burn high first round skill player picks on OL, when we can get solid "all world" performance further down the list......Bitonio is freaking solid.....love this guy!
An all-world guard is a far different animal from an all-world OT, especially the blind side. But a mostly running team needs an all-world at both OT's. And a team with a not so fast/elusive QB also needs that. That's just a fact or the opponent knows you will favor running left on most runs and knows to attack the weaker OT on passes. A first rounder for an OT is fully justified when you have 2 first round choices to make. Let's all just hope Schwartz just picks it up a couple notches ASAP.
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Which kind of backs my point that we shouldn't burn high first round skill player picks on OL, when we can get solid "all world" performance further down the list......Bitonio is freaking solid.....love this guy!
An all-world guard is a far different animal from an all-world OT, especially the blind side. But a mostly running team needs an all-world at both OT's. And a team with a not so fast/elusive QB also needs that. That's just a fact or the opponent knows you will favor running left on most runs and knows to attack the weaker OT on passes. A first rounder for an OT is fully justified when you have 2 first round choices to make. Let's all just hope Schwartz just picks it up a couple notches ASAP.
Let's all just hope Schwartz just picks it up a couple notches ASAP.
That would be the best option....right there(fingers crossed).....he will be severely tested on Sunday(fingers crossed again)
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Any count on how many times a back or TE was assigned to chip on Schwartz side? I'm sure there's no approximate count you have - a guess would be interesting though.
Any count on how many times a back or TE was assigned to chip on Schwartz side? I'm sure there's no approximate count you have - a guess would be interesting though.
I do watch for chips and noted none this week, but doesn't mean there wasn't any help intended. Either a TE chip could have been called that was voided by an outside blitz or a RB chip that was voided by an inside blitz.
There were times when Greco's task was definitely shaded towards his OT. I did note earlier the play where he was on Mitch's left hip and Mitch still got beat with an outside speed rush that produced a "pressure"
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Any count on how many times a back or TE was assigned to chip on Schwartz side? I'm sure there's no approximate count you have - a guess would be interesting though.
I do watch for chips and noted none this week, but doesn't mean there wasn't any help intended. Either a TE chip could have been called that was voided by an outside blitz or a RB chip that was voided by an inside blitz.
There were times when Greco's task was definitely shaded towards his OT. I did note earlier the play where he was on Mitch's left hip and Mitch still got beat with an outside speed rush that produced a "pressure"
I do watch for chips and noted none this week, but doesn't mean there wasn't any help intended. Either a TE chip could have been called that was voided by an outside blitz or a RB chip that was voided by an inside blitz.
There were times when Greco's task was definitely shaded towards his OT. I did note earlier the play where he was on Mitch's left hip and Mitch still got beat with an outside speed rush that produced a "pressure"
If you notice Greco on the shade, then that certainly means opposing DC's will as well.
It wouldn't surprise me to see A gap pressure on that side of Mack or seeing more stunts called from the left side of an opposing Dline.
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