Billy Cundiff
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Not dismissing the position, dismissing the "arguments" being made here...
The Doink was from 50, but the block was from 36. So what's your point on the latter?
And not attempting the late FG Week 1 was still the right call... IMO...
The macro level point is that he is 21.8% career for FG's 50 and up. That is well below the average for NFL kickers in the last 10 years. We need a guy that can win us close games from the 50 and its not him.
The macro level point is that he is 21.8% career for FG's 50 and up. That is well below the average for NFL kickers in the last 10 years. We need a guy that can win us close games from the 50 and its not him.
What is the 50+ average?
How does Billy stack up 40-49? 30-39? etc.?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
What is the 50+ average?
How does Billy stack up 40-49? 30-39? etc.?
Here is an excerpt from a CBS news article written in 2010. I am sure its still as good or better. I will try to crunch his other numbers later but its the 50 and up that concern me. Basically Cundiff is stuck in the 70s for his long field goal ability.
The rise in precision from 50 yards and greater has been especially dramatic:
1960s: 13.1 percent
1970s: 21.6 percent
1980s: 35.6 percent
1990s: 47.8 percent
2000s: 53.0 percent
And this year (2010), it's better still: 55.9 percent.
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You cant dismiss this position. How many games are won by 3 or less points. How many times do you NEED 50+ to win/take a lead? Im sorry but if youre not top 5 offense and defense, you need to make it up by putting points on the board.
Not dismissing the position, dismissing the "arguments" being made here...
The Doink was from 50, but the block was from 36. So what's your point on the latter?
And not attempting the late FG Week 1 was still the right call... IMO...
Not dismissing the position, dismissing the "arguments" being made here...
The Doink was from 50, but the block was from 36. So what's your point on the latter?
And not attempting the late FG Week 1 was still the right call... IMO...
A block is not always on the kicker, but a doink is. He makes one or the other and we win...
We'll agree to disagree about the Steelers game
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Final 8 kickers in the playoffs last year. Career stats from 50+
Steven Hauschka 7 of 13 54%
Matt Prater 21 of 27 78%
Stephen Gostowski 12 of 16 75%
Phil Dawson 28 of 40 70%
Graham Gano 12 of 18 67%
Garrett Hartley 6 of 8 75%
Adam Vinatieri 20 of 38 53%
Nick Novak 9 of 15 60%
Billy Cundiff 7 of 27 26%
Kicker makes a difference. He's gotta go...
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Not dismissing the position, dismissing the "arguments" being made here...
The Doink was from 50, but the block was from 36. So what's your point on the latter?
And not attempting the late FG Week 1 was still the right call... IMO...
A block is not always on the kicker, but a doink is. He makes one or the other and we win...
We'll agree to disagree about the Steelers game
A block is not always on the kicker, but a doink is. He makes one or the other and we win...
We'll agree to disagree about the Steelers game
This block was definitely not on Billy. The Doink may not be either if the hold was "off", i.e., angled improperly, laces, etc.
I really cannot see the hold in the footage, but it had the distance so the contact was solid. The flight looked "funny" and that can be a sign of the hold being off.
As for agreeing to disagree... I'll think about it...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
A block is not always on the kicker, but a doink is. He makes one or the other and we win...
We'll agree to disagree about the Steelers game
This block was definitely not on Billy. The Doink may not be either if the hold was "off", i.e., angled improperly, laces, etc.
I really cannot see the hold in the footage, but it had the distance so the contact was solid. The flight looked "funny" and that can be a sign of the hold being off.
As for agreeing to disagree... I'll think about it...
This block was definitely not on Billy. The Doink may not be either if the hold was "off", i.e., angled improperly, laces, etc.
I really cannot see the hold in the footage, but it had the distance so the contact was solid. The flight looked "funny" and that can be a sign of the hold being off.
As for agreeing to disagree... I'll think about it...
Dont give me that "laces out" bullsh**, Jim Carey. He doinked it. And he is NOT good enough. If he stays, he costs us 2-3 more losses... 6-10 vs 9-7 because of a kicker? Could be. Did you know 20+% of nfl games have historically been decided by 3 or fewer points...
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ask steve spurrier or bill parcells about kickers.
you don't make it you're baggin groceries on monday.
not blaming the L on cuntlips but if i'm not mistaken didn't he miss a chip shot xtra point last week?
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ask steve spurrier or bill parcells about kickers.
you don't make it you're baggin groceries on monday.
not blaming the L on cuntlips but if i'm not mistaken didn't he miss a chip shot xtra point last week?
ask steve spurrier or bill parcells about kickers.
you don't make it you're baggin groceries on monday.
not blaming the L on cuntlips but if i'm not mistaken didn't he miss a chip shot xtra point last week?
Why not blame it on Cundiff?? We played well enough to win but he didnt convert.
And yes, he missed a PAT that almost costed us a game... jeesh
#Justsayin' -
Too early to bring this one back?
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Yes... way too early...
...................overall. M.. A.. %.blk.lng 1-19... 20-29.... 30-39... 40-49....50+
2013 Billy Cundiff CLE K 21 26 81 1 51 0-0 0 7-7 100 6-5 83 9-7 78 4-2 50
Hanging is too good for him...
If there was a better Kicker out there, why isn't he already kicking for us?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Yes... way too early...
...................overall. M.. A.. %.blk.lng 1-19... 20-29.... 30-39... 40-49....50+
2013 Billy Cundiff CLE K 21 26 81 1 51 0-0 0 7-7 100 6-5 83 9-7 78 4-2 50
Hanging is too good for him...
If there was a better Kicker out there, why isn't he already kicking for us?
Yes... way too early...
...................overall. M.. A.. %.blk.lng 1-19... 20-29.... 30-39... 40-49....50+
2013 Billy Cundiff CLE K 21 26 81 1 51 0-0 0 7-7 100 6-5 83 9-7 78 4-2 50
Hanging is too good for him...
If there was a better Kicker out there, why isn't he already kicking for us?
I dont know but if u ask the other 31 teams, none of them would trade their K for Cundiff straight up... i guarantee that
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KICKALICIOUS
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Josh Brown or Rian Lindell would work for me
I wonder how Connor Barth is doing recovering from injury, he was becoming a stud in TB
And I know hes kinda old but Jay Feely is stl around
How are any of these guys NOT better than Cundiff
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I don't think this is a priority now - perhaps in the off season. But fixing the bad snaps is a priority. Can we get a statistic on the accuracy of snaps for PAT and field goals? Everyone seems way off target.
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Billy Cuntsniff
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ask steve spurrier or bill parcells about kickers.
you don't make it you're baggin groceries on monday.
not blaming the L on cuntlips but if i'm not mistaken didn't he miss a chip shot xtra point last week?
Why not blame it on Cundiff?? We played well enough to win but he didnt convert.
And yes, he missed a PAT that almost costed us a game... jeesh
Why not blame it on Cundiff?? We played well enough to win but he didnt convert.
And yes, he missed a PAT that almost costed us a game... jeesh
Yes, the Browns played well enough to win. But to say it's all on Cundiff? We make one more first down at the end of the game, we're not having this discussion on how bad Cundiff sucks.
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Why not blame it on Cundiff?? We played well enough to win but he didnt convert.
And yes, he missed a PAT that almost costed us a game... jeesh
Yes, the Browns played well enough to win. But to say it's all on Cundiff? We make one more first down at the end of the game, we're not having this discussion on how bad Cundiff sucks.
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