Brian Hoyer is the reason we're losing...
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most of my complaints thus far come from the sidelines.
everyone wants to bitch about haden gilbert the run D blah blah blah...
but pettine supposedly earned his keep calling great defensive schemes. with the talent we have on paper he is not (or o'brien as well) to that end of the stick.
shanny has an ego problem and if he doesn't stop trying to out do every other OC with some stupid calls he needs a stern talking too.
i trust this staff has it in them to turn it around and i think haslam knows now that he has to give a staff more than one year to prove themselves.
really though we've been at the cusp of being great for 3-4 years now and no one seems to be able to pull each side of the ball together to get us over the hump.
a couple of plays this way and that and we are 3-0. but that has been said for the last couple of years as well.
time for someone to STOP THE FUCKING NONSENSE.
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It isn't Hoyer. The D is just not playing up to snuff. And the one play JM was involved actually worked well except the rook West was somehow flagged. Too bad. Mo was on our side at that point.
So are you a browns fan or riding the hoyer train?
So are you a browns fan or riding the hoyer train?
I'm a Browns fan and Hoyer is doing exactly what staff is asking of him. So the answer is both. This was a very winable game and we did not lose because of QB play. It was a team effort.
I am very disappointed the D is not playing as well as I expected. But Pettine being a D coach I expect that to change in short order. I expect a rook like Gilbert to struggle in year one. I did not expect Haden would struggle as much considering the contract he got and said he would live up to. Right now that isn't happening.
Also could someone explain to me how the trick play was illegal? Why did the refs cite West and not JM or the bench if it was illegal?
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@everlastingxxx said:
I think Hoyer has done a very good job. He has given the team a chance to win in every game. He is protecting the ball and managing the offense.
Yesterdays game falls on the special teams. Billy used to kick for the Cowboys years ago and he sucked. Yesterday confirms that he still sucks.
A few things i didnt like. Gabriel has to score on the deep pass.He falls down for no reason and was too slow to run into the endzone. Haden reminds me of Newman. Great corner until someone tests them last in games. The Manziel trick play...really? You spent time practicing a play that was illegal? Come on Shanny, thats amature shit. Miles still looks great.
I just said this same thing to my brother on a short ride in the car today. Seriously how the F does our OC not know a play he puts in and spends practice time on is illegal?? That is some dime store amateur crap
I just said this same thing to my brother on a short ride in the car today. Seriously how the F does our OC not know a play he puts in and spends practice time on is illegal?? That is some dime store amateur crap
Although I was totally against it, to be fair even the commentators mentioned the rule they broke was a really obscure unknown one. The refs on the field didn't call it and it took an expert several minutes later to even bring it up. Again though, I don't understand why Shanny doesn't just keep damn momentum going sometimes. You want to try something like that early in the first quarter or when you need a spark down a couple TD's? Fine. But don't interrupt a well-oiled offense to be cute.
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So are you a browns fan or riding the hoyer train?
I'm a Browns fan and Hoyer is doing exactly what staff is asking of him. So the answer is both. This was a very winable game and we did not lose because of QB play. It was a team effort.
I am very disappointed the D is not playing as well as I expected. But Pettine being a D coach I expect that to change in short order. I expect a rook like Gilbert to struggle in year one. I did not expect Haden would struggle as much considering the contract he got and said he would live up to. Right now that isn't happening.
Also could someone explain to me how the trick play was illegal? Why did the refs cite West and not JM or the bench if it was illegal?
Also could someone explain to me how the trick play was illegal? Why did the refs cite West and not JM or the bench if it was illegal?
Apparently you're not allowed to line up within 15(?) yards of the sidelines when in front of the benches - that is, within the 30 yard lines.
I'd never heard of the rule, and the refs basically forgot about it, I think.
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156 pass attempts without a pick.
290 yds against the Ravens.
No Josh Gordon.
Hoyer is playing well enough to stick around IMO. No way in hell Johnny plays this consistent when he does get his chance, it would help if Hoyer can be good for another 2-3 years and then develop Johnny Football in that timetable.
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@everlastingxxx said:
I think Hoyer has done a very good job. He has given the team a chance to win in every game. He is protecting the ball and managing the offense.
Yesterdays game falls on the special teams. Billy used to kick for the Cowboys years ago and he sucked. Yesterday confirms that he still sucks.
A few things i didnt like. Gabriel has to score on the deep pass.He falls down for no reason and was too slow to run into the endzone. Haden reminds me of Newman. Great corner until someone tests them last in games. The Manziel trick play...really? You spent time practicing a play that was illegal? Come on Shanny, thats amature
shit. Miles still looks great.
Another classic shan-anigan
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I like shanny though. I hope he sticks around
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My gripe with the offense is that Shanny seems to have a need to be too cute by half.
When we have mo', we need to keep it going, not run a slow-developing reverse that
ends with Suggs staring at our sideline going "Are you fucking kidding me?"
Right now we are not a disciplined team. What was it, 12 penalties against the Ravens?
12 men in the defensive huddle? 3 fucking times?!? I look at the score box at the beginning
of the 4th quarter and we have 1 timeout left. Our run defense is non-existent. Fourth string
RB hits through the line untouched--doesn't have to make an evasive move until he's already
run 4 or 5 yards.
Hoyer is not a candidate for MVP by any stretch of the imagination, but he's doing what our recent QB's
have painfully demonstrated that they are incapable of: managing the offense, seeing the field, leading.
NO TURNOVERS.
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manziel himself prefers this current arrangement so the issue is moot. I'm really starting to like that kid btw. It really looks like he gets it now. Being a rockstar in the NFL takes time and dedication and right now he's in a good spot where there's no pressure on him and he can go out when the coach wants to dial up a special play..and just play free. All the pressure is on Hoyer and he's playing like iceman. Hoyer is the starter for the rest of the season even if we continue to lose. I only see JF getting a few starts towards the end of the season when it doesn't matter..just so we see his progress.
manziel himself prefers this current arrangement so the issue is moot. I'm really starting to like that kid btw. It really looks like he gets it now. Being a rockstar in the NFL takes time and dedication and right now he's in a good spot where there's no pressure on him and he can go out when the coach wants to dial up a special play..and just play free. All the pressure is on Hoyer and he's playing like iceman. Hoyer is the starter for the rest of the season even if we continue to lose. I only see JF getting a few starts towards the end of the season when it doesn't matter..just so we see his progress.
when it doesn't matter....??? that's confidence for you.....
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Hoyer is playing very very well...
He's going to make a nice buck if he can play like this all season.
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Brian Hoyer is the fuckin man, i told you sons a bitchs this months ago. And as far as the Browns go, he is our mvp (coulda been Crow but they won't feed him the ball).
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according to a bunch of fucking idiots.
Passing Yards: 12th
TD's: T-18th
Interceptions: T-1st
Completion Percentage: 16th
Passer Rating: 10th
Yards/Attempt: 12th
Yards/Game: 15th
Longest Pass: 6th
Hoyer is in the top half of the league in nearly every common QB metric.
Meanwhile, our defense is sucking hind teat:
Yds/Game: 31st
Yds/Play: 32nd
3rd down %: 18th
1st downs: 30th
Pts/game: 24th
according to a bunch of fucking idiots.
Passing Yards: 12th
TD's: T-18th
Interceptions: T-1st
Completion Percentage: 16th
Passer Rating: 10th
Yards/Attempt: 12th
Yards/Game: 15th
Longest Pass: 6th
Hoyer is in the top half of the league in nearly every common QB metric.
Meanwhile, our defense is sucking hind teat:
Yds/Game: 31st
Yds/Play: 32nd
3rd down %: 18th
1st downs: 30th
Pts/game: 24th
all the statistics you chose don't mean shit...the only statistic that counts is the ave. number of wins per game....right now the average nfl qb has won 1.5 games out of 3 played....hoyer has 1 out of 3...so he's below average in the only stat that means anything......hopefully, that will improve...but he's got to win the next game just to be an average nfl quarterback.....pretty sure that's the way pettine looks at it.....all this coming close bullshit is just that....it's winning that matters.....
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I dont know why I'm just now seeing this thread but anyone who thinks Hoyer is the reason we are losing needs thrown from skyscraper scaffolding.
We are losing to a very overrated defense.
In particular Joe Haden, Whitner, Rubin, Taylor, and Justin Gil-burnt.
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I dont know why I'm just now seeing this thread but anyone who thinks Hoyer is the reason we are losing needs thrown from skyscraper scaffolding.
We are losing to a very overrated defense.
In particular Joe Haden, Whitner, Rubin, Taylor, and Justin Gil-burnt.
I dont know why I'm just now seeing this thread but anyone who thinks Hoyer is the reason we are losing needs thrown from skyscraper scaffolding.
We are losing to a very overrated defense.
In particular Joe Haden, Whitner, Rubin, Taylor, and Justin Gil-burnt.
for sake of argument, one could easily point out that manziel won last year, went to a post season bowl game and won that too, with the worst defense in his league...sometimes the offense has to make up for the defense's shortcomings....just being "statistically" good doesn't feed the bulldog....you have to find a way to win....
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I dont know why I'm just now seeing this thread but anyone who thinks Hoyer is the reason we are losing needs thrown from skyscraper scaffolding.
We are losing to a very overrated defense.
In particular Joe Haden, Whitner, Rubin, Taylor, and Justin Gil-burnt.
for sake of argument, one could easily point out that manziel won last year, went to a post season bowl game and won that too, with the worst defense in his league...sometimes the offense has to make up for the defense's shortcomings....just being "statistically" good doesn't feed the bulldog....you have to find a way to win....
for sake of argument, one could easily point out that manziel won last year, went to a post season bowl game and won that too, with the worst defense in his league...sometimes the offense has to make up for the defense's shortcomings....just being "statistically" good doesn't feed the bulldog....you have to find a way to win....
Manziel won in College. His slate is clean in the NFL, so college stats mean nothing.
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Why start a thread with this title??
#Justsayin' -
according to a bunch of fucking idiots.
Passing Yards: 12th
TD's: T-18th
Interceptions: T-1st
Completion Percentage: 16th
Passer Rating: 10th
Yards/Attempt: 12th
Yards/Game: 15th
Longest Pass: 6th
Hoyer is in the top half of the league in nearly every common QB metric.
Meanwhile, our defense is sucking hind teat:
Yds/Game: 31st
Yds/Play: 32nd
3rd down %: 18th
1st downs: 30th
Pts/game: 24th
all the statistics you chose don't mean shit...the only statistic that counts is the ave. number of wins per game....right now the average nfl qb has won 1.5 games out of 3 played....hoyer has 1 out of 3...so he's below average in the only stat that means anything......hopefully, that will improve...but he's got to win the next game just to be an average nfl quarterback.....pretty sure that's the way pettine looks at it.....all this coming close bullshit is just that....it's winning that matters.....
all the statistics you chose don't mean shit...the only statistic that counts is the ave. number of wins per game....right now the average nfl qb has won 1.5 games out of 3 played....hoyer has 1 out of 3...so he's below average in the only stat that means anything......hopefully, that will improve...but he's got to win the next game just to be an average nfl quarterback.....pretty sure that's the way pettine looks at it.....all this coming close bullshit is just that....it's winning that matters.....
oh man. it's wins that matter? shit.
someone get pettine on the horn...we've got this shit all wrong.
Thanks, genius.
Manziel has just as many wins as he does completed passes...0.
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Irony?
Prestidigitation?
Finding joy in reading idiocy?
Illiciting material for writing tabloids?
Wasting server space?
Baiting trolls, obviously...
Wasting my time right now?
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