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  • @logicisforsquares said:

    Side note: Where is Desir?

    Browns inactives this week:

    CLEVELAND BROWNS

    #26 DB Pierre Desir

    #41 RB Glenn Winston

    #42 DB Robert Nelson

    #67 DL Ishmaa'ily Kitchen

    #83 WR Rodney Smith

    #89 TE Gerell Robinson

    #93 DL John Hughes

    So far, Williams has blown past both Desir and Gilbert.

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    Browns inactives this week:

    CLEVELAND BROWNS

    #26 DB Pierre Desir

    #41 RB Glenn Winston

    #42 DB Robert Nelson

    #67 DL Ishmaa'ily Kitchen

    #83 WR Rodney Smith

    #89 TE Gerell Robinson

    #93 DL John Hughes

    So far, Williams has blown past both Desir and Gilbert.

    Zombo

    Hughes and Kitchen I thought were a couple of mainstays on our D-Line. Why are they inactive?

    And let me ask this question: Why the fuck should anyone on the roster be inactive?

    The NFL allows what? a 53 man roster, but only allows like 45 of them to be "active"? What is the fucking point of that? It is as stupid a rule as I know of. You are paying these motherfuckers a lot of money to be on the roster, let them play in the game. Why on earth would a roster player be declared to have to sit out?

    It is a useless, stupid, dumbass fucking rule in my opinion.

  • Zombo said:

    Browns inactives this week:

    CLEVELAND BROWNS

    #26 DB Pierre Desir

    #41 RB Glenn Winston

    #42 DB Robert Nelson

    #67 DL Ishmaa'ily Kitchen

    #83 WR Rodney Smith

    #89 TE Gerell Robinson

    #93 DL John Hughes

    So far, Williams has blown past both Desir and Gilbert.

    Zombo

    Hughes and Kitchen I thought were a couple of mainstays on our D-Line. Why are they inactive?

    And let me ask this question: Why the fuck should anyone on the roster be inactive?

    The NFL allows what? a 53 man roster, but only allows like 45 of them to be "active"? What is the fucking point of that? It is as stupid a rule as I know of. You are paying these motherfuckers a lot of money to be on the roster, let them play in the game. Why on earth would a roster player be declared to have to sit out?

    It is a useless, stupid, dumbass fucking rule in my opinion.

    @the-gipper said:

    Hughes and Kitchen I thought were a couple of mainstays on our D-Line. Why are they inactive?

    And let me ask this question: Why the fuck should anyone on the roster be inactive?

    The NFL allows what? a 53 man roster, but only allows like 45 of them to be "active"? What is the fucking point of that? It is as stupid a rule as I know of. You are paying these motherfuckers a lot of money to be on the roster, let them play in the game. Why on earth would a roster player be declared to have to sit out?

    It is a useless, stupid, dumbass fucking rule in my opinion.

    Not that I agree with the rule 100%, but the reason they have the inactive list and 45 man "game day" roster is so both teams are equal and have the same # of healthy players...........

    While one teams 8 man inactive list may be full of bumps, bruises and injured players....the other teams might not.....so this is a fair way for each team to start on an even playing field with the same # of healthy reserves.......

  • Oh boy. Someone has to keep A. Brown contained this Sunday. If Haden doesn't play, then Skrine or Williams? Unless Gilbert learned quickly what he did wrong in week 1...

    @tml1138 said:

    Oh boy. Someone has to keep A. Brown contained this Sunday. If Haden doesn't play, then Skrine or Williams? Unless Gilbert learned quickly what he did wrong in week 1...

    Judging from the past, I believe I could cover Brown better than Haden
  • @tml1138 said:

    Oh boy. Someone has to keep A. Brown contained this Sunday. If Haden doesn't play, then Skrine or Williams? Unless Gilbert learned quickly what he did wrong in week 1...

    Judging from the past, I believe I could cover Brown better than Haden

    @comeonman said:

    Judging from the past, I believe I could cover Brown better than Haden

    Plus, based upon that AND the fact Haden hasn't really played great, there shouldnt be a big drop off here just because he's hurt.

    Brown catches a lot of balls, but chokes when it counts. Right now he is tied for 3rd in the league(with Watkins) for the most drops. Remember he had 2 td's against the Bucs, then dropped the EASY game winning td. Par for the course. We will be fine.

    Based upon the 2014 "drop pass list", Brown has more drops than the entire Cleveland Browns team, which, so far, has only 1 for the season.

    We will be fine. Brown will catch some balls in a losing effort. And will drop the one that counts.

  • @comeonman said:

    Judging from the past, I believe I could cover Brown better than Haden

    Plus, based upon that AND the fact Haden hasn't really played great, there shouldnt be a big drop off here just because he's hurt.

    Brown catches a lot of balls, but chokes when it counts. Right now he is tied for 3rd in the league(with Watkins) for the most drops. Remember he had 2 td's against the Bucs, then dropped the EASY game winning td. Par for the course. We will be fine.

    Based upon the 2014 "drop pass list", Brown has more drops than the entire Cleveland Browns team, which, so far, has only 1 for the season.

    We will be fine. Brown will catch some balls in a losing effort. And will drop the one that counts.

    @manzier said:

    Plus, based upon that AND the fact Haden hasn't really played great, there shouldnt be a big drop off here just because he's hurt.

    Brown catches a lot of balls, but chokes when it counts. Right now he is tied for 3rd in the league(with Watkins) for the most drops. Remember he had 2 td's against the Bucs, then dropped the EASY game winning td. Par for the course. We will be fine.

    Based upon the 2014 "drop pass list", Brown has more drops than the entire Cleveland Browns team, which, so far, has only 1 for the season.

    We will be fine. Brown will catch some balls in a losing effort. And will drop the one that counts.

    Post the link for 2014 drops. I have one that has him listed at 19th with 3 drops on the year. 34 receptions on 54 targets. Do you always talk out of your ass?

  • @manzier said:

    Plus, based upon that AND the fact Haden hasn't really played great, there shouldnt be a big drop off here just because he's hurt.

    Brown catches a lot of balls, but chokes when it counts. Right now he is tied for 3rd in the league(with Watkins) for the most drops. Remember he had 2 td's against the Bucs, then dropped the EASY game winning td. Par for the course. We will be fine.

    Based upon the 2014 "drop pass list", Brown has more drops than the entire Cleveland Browns team, which, so far, has only 1 for the season.

    We will be fine. Brown will catch some balls in a losing effort. And will drop the one that counts.

    Post the link for 2014 drops. I have one that has him listed at 19th with 3 drops on the year. 34 receptions on 54 targets. Do you always talk out of your ass?

    @vagitron said:

    Post the link for 2014 drops. I have one that has him listed at 19th with 3 drops on the year. 34 receptions on 54 targets. Do you always talk out of your ass?

    Yes. we are looking at the same list. He's listed as 19TH, but TIED for 3rd. Are you too dumb to read & interpret the list?

    Considering the BROWNS have one drop as a team, it's realistic to say 3 is a bit much for one player this early.

    Of course you wont agree. Expected. Save your breath, because the facts are the facts.

    Bet you wish he caught that ball in Tampa. That was one huge drop.

  • @vagitron said:

    Post the link for 2014 drops. I have one that has him listed at 19th with 3 drops on the year. 34 receptions on 54 targets. Do you always talk out of your ass?

    Yes. we are looking at the same list. He's listed as 19TH, but TIED for 3rd. Are you too dumb to read & interpret the list?

    Considering the BROWNS have one drop as a team, it's realistic to say 3 is a bit much for one player this early.

    Of course you wont agree. Expected. Save your breath, because the facts are the facts.

    Bet you wish he caught that ball in Tampa. That was one huge drop.

    @manzier said:

    Yes. we are looking at the same list. He's listed as 19TH, but TIED for 3rd. Are you too dumb to read & interpret the list?

    Considering the BROWNS have one drop as a team, it's realistic to say 3 is a bit much for one player this early.

    Of course you wont agree. Expected. Save your breath, because the facts are the facts.

    Bet you wish he caught that ball in Tampa. That was one huge drop.

    You work for fox new by chance? Holy taking things out of context batman. 3 drops on 34 receptions is a bit much heading into week 6? Hilarious. Antonio brown is tied for 3rd with the guys like dez Bryant, Vincent Jackson, gronk, Calvin johnson, Randall Cobb. Brown should hang them up now.

  • @manzier said:

    Yes. we are looking at the same list. He's listed as 19TH, but TIED for 3rd. Are you too dumb to read & interpret the list?

    Considering the BROWNS have one drop as a team, it's realistic to say 3 is a bit much for one player this early.

    Of course you wont agree. Expected. Save your breath, because the facts are the facts.

    Bet you wish he caught that ball in Tampa. That was one huge drop.

    You work for fox new by chance? Holy taking things out of context batman. 3 drops on 34 receptions is a bit much heading into week 6? Hilarious. Antonio brown is tied for 3rd with the guys like dez Bryant, Vincent Jackson, gronk, Calvin johnson, Randall Cobb. Brown should hang them up now.

    @vagitron said:

    You work for fox new by chance? Holy taking things out of context batman. 3 drops on 34 receptions is a bit much heading into week 6? Hilarious. Antonio brown is tied for 3rd with the guys like dez Bryant, Vincent Jackson, gronk, Calvin johnson, Randall Cobb. Brown should hang them up now.

    Hey. Brown is a fine receiver. No debate there. And I didn't say he should hang em up. I just said he drops important passes. 3 on 34 would be almost 10%, which is a LOT. Heck, if we dropped passes at that rate, then we'd have 10 drops instead of 1.

    Like Biilychuck used to say, "I can only go by what I see". And I see Brown as #3 on the drops list and I saw Brown drop the game winner last week. Or is this all just a dream?

    So, you can call it talking out of my ass, but I call it stats and facts.

  • cross your fingers brown isn't down by the 2nd qtr.

    injury report anyone?

    browns just knocking dudes out.

    nitey nite.

  • When, since 1999, has anyone imagined that after 4 games the entire Cleveland Browns team would, so far, only have 1 drop for the season. Greg Little could do that on one series... Davone Bess... Q.... Bray Bray... every time the ball went in the air, my heart would drop in my stomach...

  • When, since 1999, has anyone imagined that after 4 games the entire Cleveland Browns team would, so far, only have 1 drop for the season. Greg Little could do that on one series... Davone Bess... Q.... Bray Bray... every time the ball went in the air, my heart would drop in my stomach...

    @alporcini said:

    When, since 1999, has anyone imagined that after 4 games the entire Cleveland Browns team would, so far, only have 1 drop for the season. Greg Little could do that on one series... Davone Bess... Q.... Bray Bray... every time the ball went in the air, my heart would drop in my stomach...

    And that 1 drop was early in the first game. Miles Austin. No drops since.

    And when Benji elevates and hauls in 2 clutch "hands only" game winning touchdowns, then things are going pretty great! Just happy it wasn't Antonio Brown that Hoyer was throwing to in the endzone. He would have dropped one of them.

    Just another example of how much better Ray Farmer has made this team. Little, Bess, Masaquoi(sic), Robiski weren't that long ago, yet they are forgotten.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Hughes and Kitchen I thought were a couple of mainstays on our D-Line. Why are they inactive?

    And let me ask this question: Why the fuck should anyone on the roster be inactive?

    The NFL allows what? a 53 man roster, but only allows like 45 of them to be "active"? What is the fucking point of that? It is as stupid a rule as I know of. You are paying these motherfuckers a lot of money to be on the roster, let them play in the game. Why on earth would a roster player be declared to have to sit out?

    It is a useless, stupid, dumbass fucking rule in my opinion.

    Not that I agree with the rule 100%, but the reason they have the inactive list and 45 man "game day" roster is so both teams are equal and have the same # of healthy players...........

    While one teams 8 man inactive list may be full of bumps, bruises and injured players....the other teams might not.....so this is a fair way for each team to start on an even playing field with the same # of healthy reserves.......

    @mudfly said:

    Not that I agree with the rule 100%, but the reason they have the inactive list and 45 man "game day" roster is so both teams are equal and have the same # of healthy players...........

    While one teams 8 man inactive list may be full of bumps, bruises and injured players....the other teams might not.....so this is a fair way for each team to start on an even playing field with the same # of healthy reserves.......

    Bullshit. Injuries are part of the game. If one team is banged up and the other is not, then the team with fewer banged up players should have an advantage. If they are that bad, put them on some injured list.

    (I am not saying that you are full of bullshit, I think you are probably right on. I think the rule and the reasoning for it is BS.)

  • @vagitron said:

    Post the link for 2014 drops. I have one that has him listed at 19th with 3 drops on the year. 34 receptions on 54 targets. Do you always talk out of your ass?

    Yes. we are looking at the same list. He's listed as 19TH, but TIED for 3rd. Are you too dumb to read & interpret the list?

    Considering the BROWNS have one drop as a team, it's realistic to say 3 is a bit much for one player this early.

    Of course you wont agree. Expected. Save your breath, because the facts are the facts.

    Bet you wish he caught that ball in Tampa. That was one huge drop.

    @manzier said:

    Yes. we are looking at the same list. He's listed as 19TH, but TIED for 3rd. Are you too dumb to read & interpret the list?

    Considering the BROWNS have one drop as a team, it's realistic to say 3 is a bit much for one player this early.

    Of course you wont agree. Expected. Save your breath, because the facts are the facts.

    Bet you wish he caught that ball in Tampa. That was one huge drop.

    How can you be both 19th and tied for third. I have to go with the Vag. here, how does this math work?

  • @manzier said:

    Yes. we are looking at the same list. He's listed as 19TH, but TIED for 3rd. Are you too dumb to read & interpret the list?

    Considering the BROWNS have one drop as a team, it's realistic to say 3 is a bit much for one player this early.

    Of course you wont agree. Expected. Save your breath, because the facts are the facts.

    Bet you wish he caught that ball in Tampa. That was one huge drop.

    How can you be both 19th and tied for third. I have to go with the Vag. here, how does this math work?

    @the-gipper said:

    How can you be both 19th and tied for third. I have to go with the Vag. here, how does this math work?

    There are a ton of recievers with three drops. The most on the season I believe is 5. Its a slippery ass slope and good ole manzy got caught with his hand in the extremely weak argument cookie jar.

  • @tml1138 said:

    Oh boy. Someone has to keep A. Brown contained this Sunday. If Haden doesn't play, then Skrine or Williams? Unless Gilbert learned quickly what he did wrong in week 1...

    Judging from the past, I believe I could cover Brown better than Haden

    @comeonman said:

    Judging from the past, I believe I could cover Brown better than Haden

    Yes, Haden having trouble with A. Brown was a discussion after the week 1 game. That being said, I'd like to see him healthy to redeem himself there.

    If he's not playing this week I really hope someone can fill the shoes.

  • @manzier said:

    Yes. we are looking at the same list. He's listed as 19TH, but TIED for 3rd. Are you too dumb to read & interpret the list?

    Considering the BROWNS have one drop as a team, it's realistic to say 3 is a bit much for one player this early.

    Of course you wont agree. Expected. Save your breath, because the facts are the facts.

    Bet you wish he caught that ball in Tampa. That was one huge drop.

    How can you be both 19th and tied for third. I have to go with the Vag. here, how does this math work?

    @the-gipper said:

    How can you be both 19th and tied for third. I have to go with the Vag. here, how does this math work?

    Very simple. Happens all the time with stats. You can tie for first and you can tie for 20TH.

    So, if Hoyer, Brady and manning were all tied for the league lead with 20 td passes each and they were all on a list of TD leaders and Hoyers name came up third, would that make him 3rd in the league or tied for first?

  • @comeonman said:

    Judging from the past, I believe I could cover Brown better than Haden

    Yes, Haden having trouble with A. Brown was a discussion after the week 1 game. That being said, I'd like to see him healthy to redeem himself there.

    If he's not playing this week I really hope someone can fill the shoes.

    @tml1138 said:

    Yes, Haden having trouble with A. Brown was a discussion after the week 1 game. That being said, I'd like to see him healthy to redeem himself there.

    If he's not playing this week I really hope someone can fill the shoes.

    well comeonman just stepped up and said he'd do it.

    just hope the belushi speeball is working in the positive not the nodding off on the bench come down.

  • Ok. I did find a glitch in my logic and will correct it. Brown is tied for seventh, with the third most drops. As there are 5 players with 1 more and 1 player with 2 more. Here's a link to show it.....

    http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232

  • Here's a more thorough list. You can slice this one a lot of ways. But the drop % still has him way WAY down the list. And I get that Brown isnt terrible. He's quite good. And there are other WRs that drop more balls. But he does have a 6% drop rate, which really isn't good and prevents me from putting him with other top receivers. And he can choke under pressure. Which isn't a good trait either. Kind of a short Braylon Edwards.

    http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2014/

  • @the-gipper said:

    How can you be both 19th and tied for third. I have to go with the Vag. here, how does this math work?

    Very simple. Happens all the time with stats. You can tie for first and you can tie for 20TH.

    So, if Hoyer, Brady and manning were all tied for the league lead with 20 td passes each and they were all on a list of TD leaders and Hoyers name came up third, would that make him 3rd in the league or tied for first?

    @manzier said:

    Very simple. Happens all the time with stats. You can tie for first and you can tie for 20TH.

    So, if Hoyer, Brady and manning were all tied for the league lead with 20 td passes each and they were all on a list of TD leaders and Hoyers name came up third, would that make him 3rd in the league or tied for first?

    No, I am not buying that. It doesn't matter which name is listed first.

    If QB A has 25 TD passes, he is first.

    If QB B has 23 TD passes, he is second.

    If QBs C, D, E, F, G all have 20 TD passes they are all tied for third. (G would not be 7th simply because his name was listed last on some list)

    If QB H has 18 TD passes then he is eighth