Haden most likely out vs. Steelers with hip injury
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Ok. I did find a glitch in my logic and will correct it. Brown is tied for seventh, with the third most drops. As there are 5 players with 1 more and 1 player with 2 more. Here's a link to show it.....
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232
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Here's a more thorough list. You can slice this one a lot of ways. But the drop % still has him way WAY down the list. And I get that Brown isnt terrible. He's quite good. And there are other WRs that drop more balls. But he does have a 6% drop rate, which really isn't good and prevents me from putting him with other top receivers. And he can choke under pressure. Which isn't a good trait either. Kind of a short Braylon Edwards.
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How can you be both 19th and tied for third. I have to go with the Vag. here, how does this math work?
Very simple. Happens all the time with stats. You can tie for first and you can tie for 20TH.
So, if Hoyer, Brady and manning were all tied for the league lead with 20 td passes each and they were all on a list of TD leaders and Hoyers name came up third, would that make him 3rd in the league or tied for first?
Very simple. Happens all the time with stats. You can tie for first and you can tie for 20TH.
So, if Hoyer, Brady and manning were all tied for the league lead with 20 td passes each and they were all on a list of TD leaders and Hoyers name came up third, would that make him 3rd in the league or tied for first?
No, I am not buying that. It doesn't matter which name is listed first.
If QB A has 25 TD passes, he is first.
If QB B has 23 TD passes, he is second.
If QBs C, D, E, F, G all have 20 TD passes they are all tied for third. (G would not be 7th simply because his name was listed last on some list)
If QB H has 18 TD passes then he is eighth
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Very simple. Happens all the time with stats. You can tie for first and you can tie for 20TH.
So, if Hoyer, Brady and manning were all tied for the league lead with 20 td passes each and they were all on a list of TD leaders and Hoyers name came up third, would that make him 3rd in the league or tied for first?
No, I am not buying that. It doesn't matter which name is listed first.
If QB A has 25 TD passes, he is first.
If QB B has 23 TD passes, he is second.
If QBs C, D, E, F, G all have 20 TD passes they are all tied for third. (G would not be 7th simply because his name was listed last on some list)
If QB H has 18 TD passes then he is eighth
No, I am not buying that. It doesn't matter which name is listed first.
If QB A has 25 TD passes, he is first.
If QB B has 23 TD passes, he is second.
If QBs C, D, E, F, G all have 20 TD passes they are all tied for third. (G would not be 7th simply because his name was listed last on some list)
If QB H has 18 TD passes then he is eighth
Exactly. What you just said is what I just said. Brown is 7th and is tied for the 3rd most drops. Not 19th.
Wr 1 has 5 drops, he is first
Wr's 2 thru 6 have 4 drops and are tied for 2nd
Wr's 7-20 have 3 drops and they are tied for 7th
Cleveland Browns = 1 drop. Hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Here's a more thorough list. You can slice this one a lot of ways. But the drop % still has him way WAY down the list. And I get that Brown isnt terrible. He's quite good. And there are other WRs that drop more balls. But he does have a 6% drop rate, which really isn't good and prevents me from putting him with other top receivers. And he can choke under pressure. Which isn't a good trait either. Kind of a short Braylon Edwards.
Here's a more thorough list. You can slice this one a lot of ways. But the drop % still has him way WAY down the list. And I get that Brown isnt terrible. He's quite good. And there are other WRs that drop more balls. But he does have a 6% drop rate, which really isn't good and prevents me from putting him with other top receivers. And he can choke under pressure. Which isn't a good trait either. Kind of a short Braylon Edwards.
You're an idiot. Keep spinning the web. Run the list of receivers above brown on that list. D. Thomas, dez Bryant, Calvin Johnson, Roddy white and that's just naming a few. The first three are arguably top 5 in the league but you aren't ready to put them in your upper tier. Who is in your upper tier big guy? Just admit you started a stupid debate that you can't adequately back track from without just flat out saying you're an idiot. Its only going to spin so long.
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Here's a more thorough list. You can slice this one a lot of ways. But the drop % still has him way WAY down the list. And I get that Brown isnt terrible. He's quite good. And there are other WRs that drop more balls. But he does have a 6% drop rate, which really isn't good and prevents me from putting him with other top receivers. And he can choke under pressure. Which isn't a good trait either. Kind of a short Braylon Edwards.
You're an idiot. Keep spinning the web. Run the list of receivers above brown on that list. D. Thomas, dez Bryant, Calvin Johnson, Roddy white and that's just naming a few. The first three are arguably top 5 in the league but you aren't ready to put them in your upper tier. Who is in your upper tier big guy? Just admit you started a stupid debate that you can't adequately back track from without just flat out saying you're an idiot. Its only going to spin so long.
You're an idiot. Keep spinning the web. Run the list of receivers above brown on that list. D. Thomas, dez Bryant, Calvin Johnson, Roddy white and that's just naming a few. The first three are arguably top 5 in the league but you aren't ready to put them in your upper tier. Who is in your upper tier big guy? Just admit you started a stupid debate that you can't adequately back track from without just flat out saying you're an idiot. Its only going to spin so long.
Upper tier types catch the game winners.
And I didn't try to start a stupid debate. I simply listed current statistics and some facts and my opinion on Brown. It's you who wants to debate them.
We aren't playing those other receivers on the list, so I dont give a shit about them. Im talking about the one we are playing next week. Who also happens to have DROPPED the game winner last week. And, TO ME, THATS RELEVANT.
And, again TO ME, it's an interesting statistic that BROWN has dropped more than the BROWNS.
Get over it. Im not making this shit up.
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You're an idiot. Keep spinning the web. Run the list of receivers above brown on that list. D. Thomas, dez Bryant, Calvin Johnson, Roddy white and that's just naming a few. The first three are arguably top 5 in the league but you aren't ready to put them in your upper tier. Who is in your upper tier big guy? Just admit you started a stupid debate that you can't adequately back track from without just flat out saying you're an idiot. Its only going to spin so long.
Upper tier types catch the game winners.
And I didn't try to start a stupid debate. I simply listed current statistics and some facts and my opinion on Brown. It's you who wants to debate them.
We aren't playing those other receivers on the list, so I dont give a shit about them. Im talking about the one we are playing next week. Who also happens to have DROPPED the game winner last week. And, TO ME, THATS RELEVANT.
And, again TO ME, it's an interesting statistic that BROWN has dropped more than the BROWNS.
Get over it. Im not making this shit up.
Upper tier types catch the game winners.
And I didn't try to start a stupid debate. I simply listed current statistics and some facts and my opinion on Brown. It's you who wants to debate them.
We aren't playing those other receivers on the list, so I dont give a shit about them. Im talking about the one we are playing next week. Who also happens to have DROPPED the game winner last week. And, TO ME, THATS RELEVANT.
And, again TO ME, it's an interesting statistic that BROWN has dropped more than the BROWNS.
Get over it. Im not making this shit up.
Ask Joe haden what he thinks about Antonio brown.
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Ive already said he was a good receiver. Have no problem with that. I know he does well against Haden too. Got no problem with that. If there is ok, good, better and best. Id rate him better..A #1 for most teams. But he's not up there with the Megotrons, TO's and Gordons of the league. Doesn't have the size, speed and muscle combination to do what they do. And, until this year, has had a paltry avg gain per catch(12-13 yards) compared to those others. The big boys get more like 18-20 ypp. Thats my take. Its an opinion. Im allowed. It wont change.
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What must someone's life be like, who spends his presumably free time posting on another NFL team's fan forum, just to constantly try to start arguments? Pathetic and sad both come to mind.
What must someone's life be like, who spends his presumably free time posting on another NFL team's fan forum, just to constantly try to start arguments? Pathetic and sad both come to mind.
I didn't start the debate. Manzy did and its called I have a cell phone and each post takes a minute of my time. I'm not here all the time, only when I'm involved in a thread. Why is it such a problem for you? Hey Manzy what about Lynn swann, Chris carter, sterling Sharpe to name a fewoff the top of my head. I guess they weren't at the top of their craft because they are under 6 foot. Once again, you're an idiot.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Name calling. Brilliant and expected. When you have no valid points, you just call names. What an Einstein.
Again. You miss(and ignore) every valid point I make and just say "idiot" instead. Your a joke. And compared to all those receivers you keep listing, Brown is a joke too.
Sorry it bothers you so much that I dont think your player is the best. He's not. And I wouldnt give up ANY of those players you listed for Brown. Not a single one. But I do understand your apparent need for my approval, so I guess we're at a cross roads.
And which game was it that Jerry Rice dropped the game winner? Slips my mind.
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What must someone's life be like, who spends his presumably free time posting on another NFL team's fan forum, just to constantly try to start arguments? Pathetic and sad both come to mind.
I didn't start the debate. Manzy did and its called I have a cell phone and each post takes a minute of my time. I'm not here all the time, only when I'm involved in a thread. Why is it such a problem for you? Hey Manzy what about Lynn swann, Chris carter, sterling Sharpe to name a fewoff the top of my head. I guess they weren't at the top of their craft because they are under 6 foot. Once again, you're an idiot.
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I didn't say he was the best and I misspoke on rice. He is 6'2.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
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I didn't say he was the best and I misspoke on rice. He is 6'2.
And I didn't say he was the worst.
Yea tied for 3rd with some of the best receivers in the game. You win.
Yea. Tied for third. EXACTLY what I first said and then you had a fukking cow for like 30 posts.
And Id rate him higher if he didnt drop game winners.
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The receivers that are targeted the most are likely to have more drops....as a general rule.
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The receivers that are targeted the most are likely to have more drops....as a general rule.
The receivers that are targeted the most are likely to have more drops....as a general rule.
Thats correct. But the drop percentage accounts for that. Based upon his drop percentage of 5.9%, he ranks well down the list. Actually, something like 211th or so.
It's just a stat fellas. Not a big big deal. It's interesting to me. Thats all. Brown is a fine receiver. Ive said many times.
He has dropped 3 out of 30 catches and 51 attempts.
Our whole team has dropped 1 out of 80 catches and 130 attempts.
Its a good stat. Enjoy it. I am.
Who knows. Maybe Brown hauls in the winning catch and I eat crow next week. Wouldnt be the first time. Or maybe he drops it. Wouldn't be the first time either.
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Skrine on Brown. All day. Buster's quicks should allow him to stay with Brown better than Haden. Joe, compensating for his lack of quicks, always seems to guess the receiver's route and then tries to beat him to an area and re-direct - only to see that the receiver broke off the route and is now 3 yards away and wide open. However, if Joe guesses right, he blankets the guy and often deflects the pass. Hasn't seemed to be guessing right lately.
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I didn't say he was the best and I misspoke on rice. He is 6'2.
And I didn't say he was the worst.
Yea tied for 3rd with some of the best receivers in the game. You win.
Yea. Tied for third. EXACTLY what I first said and then you had a fukking cow for like 30 posts.
And Id rate him higher if he didnt drop game winners.
And I didn't say he was the worst.
Yea. Tied for third. EXACTLY what I first said and then you had a fukking cow for like 30 posts.
And Id rate him higher if he didnt drop game winners.
Right, you just failed to mention he was tied for third with 20 other receivers. Previously it was just Sammy watkins. I'd say that's a substantial omission for the sake of protecting your argument.
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And I didn't say he was the worst.
Yea. Tied for third. EXACTLY what I first said and then you had a fukking cow for like 30 posts.
And Id rate him higher if he didnt drop game winners.
Right, you just failed to mention he was tied for third with 20 other receivers. Previously it was just Sammy watkins. I'd say that's a substantial omission for the sake of protecting your argument.
Right, you just failed to mention he was tied for third with 20 other receivers. Previously it was just Sammy watkins. I'd say that's a substantial omission for the sake of protecting your argument.
Again, I didn't "fail" to mention anything. Those other receivers aren't relevant to this game. I wasn't making a list of best receivers. I was simply stating my opinion and a factual statistic about ONE receiver who is our opponent next week. Ignorance is bliss, eh?
You are REALLY WAY WAY too concerned about my opinion on this guy. Sorry I dont think he's as great as you do. Get another hobby or over it already.
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