Interesting Options Developing in Browns QB Situation

VaporTrail

@frenchie said:
I knew this topic would start hitting the main stream media. Now what do we do? Franchise Hoyer? Sign him and trade Johnny? Keep both (will that be acceptable to Hoyer?). Your thoughts? I'm still not a JM believer and if I was with the Browns, I would sign Hoyer now, trade Manziel for a high second rounder or best draft choice available.

Why wouldn't you keep both? We have a somewhat known commodity in Hoyer and an unknown in Manziel. We need to lock Hoyer up, but there's no harm in keeping Johnny in the wings.

DieHardBrownsFan

Keep both of course.

LondonBrown

Definitely keep both, with the way our run game is working Jonny is potentially our Russel Wilson. Can make plays with his legs. That's if he doesn't try to be a superstar and just manages games. He also must not be like RG3 when it comes to sliding.

Manzier

@frenchie said:
I knew this topic would start hitting the main stream media. Now what do we do? Franchise Hoyer? Sign him and trade Johnny? Keep both (will that be acceptable to Hoyer?). Your thoughts? I'm still not a JM believer and if I was with the Browns, I would sign Hoyer now, trade Manziel for a high second rounder or best draft choice available.

Why would we do that??!!?? Especially right after a game where we lost several key players. What if Hoyer goes down too? Every team needs backups and players for the future and JFF fills BOTH of those bills.

And a second round pick??? what??? Again, why would we do that when we just paid a first and a third??? THAT would be the dumbest move ever. taking a loss on a good player AND giving up our security blanket at QB. Glad you're not our GM.

DownSouthKC

Yeah, no point in not keeping both. Even this year we are only a play away from needing our backup QB in the game.

Clevfan4life

Johhny for a 2nd round pick? Utterly brilliant, whoever mentions that to Farmer might get hired on the spot into the FO. You guys should jump all over that.

jesus titty fucking Christ a 2nd rounder

Tour2ma

Franchise Brian? No... Don't see top 5 bucks in his future.

I've said before a good, three-ish year deal with a mutual option year, and a base salary in the top half of starters plus incentives should do the trick. At least I believe this will do it now... but the longer we wait...

And Johnny's no issue if Brian goes into camps as THE announced starter for as long as he is on this roll. No telling how long that will be...

Clevfan4life

Dude stfu. Go to the Steelers board and talk about "YOUR" team. And Hoyer has been doing this all season and the games he played in last year. I agree we shouldn't do some dumb shit like trade Johhny just cause Hoyers playing well.

@douche-nozzle said:
First of all, short of a publicity buffoon like Jerry Jones, I doubt if anyone would give you anything better than a late 2nd rounder for Johnny Fuckup. Second, don't be like the Browns of old and make decisions based on a game or two, the jury will be out on Hoyer until he has done it for two seasons not two games.

VaporTrail

@douche-nozzle said:
First of all, short of a publicity buffoon like Jerry Jones, I doubt if anyone would give you anything better than a late 2nd rounder for Johnny Fuckup. Second, don't be like the Browns of old and make decisions based on a game or two, the jury will be out on Hoyer until he has done it for two seasons not two games.

I could see Jerry giving us a first.

Clevfan4life

@vaportrail said:

I could see Jerry giving us a first.

Wouldn't take it even then unless it's a HIGH 1st rounder with some Clowney like talent on the board when we pick. I like JM exactly where he is right now, studying the NFL game under a guy that did the same under Tom Brady.

Tour2ma

Just maybe it was your choice of "Johnny Fuckup" . It's going make folks react the way you do to "Rapistberger".

Just sayin'...

VaporTrail

@douche-nozzle said:
Good point! They both get those names from poor decisions they made. But at least I am not pretending that Ben is something he is not.

The only person we need to fool is Jerry.

MasterDog

You'll be lucky to get a bag of chips for Manziel now.

Hoyer is the man and should be the man going forward. We can win with him.

Now the bigger question is, do FO start the process of putting a contract together now to offer Hoyer or wait until AFTER the season is over?

With every passing victory and performance like this past few weeks, the price will continue to climb.

Tour2ma

@douche-nozzle said:
Good point!

There ya go...

Whatever Johnny was... he's ours now...

And thou shall not assail that which is ours...

That said... between the two of them the only thing I know for sure that either has fucked up is one motorcycle...

DieHardBrownsFan

Johnny's greatness is coming, we have to keep him until that time comes.

hoorta

@tour2ma said:

Franchise Brian? No... Don't see top 5 bucks in his future.

I've said before a good, three-ish year deal with a mutual option year, and a base salary in the top half of starters plus incentives should do the trick. At least I believe this will do it now... but the longer we wait...

And Johnny's no issue if Brian goes into camps as THE announced starter for as long as he is on this roll. No telling how long that will be...

Will Hoyer give the Browns a hometown discount? He might. $20 million guaranteed (at least) will set him up for life. The franchise tag for a qb is $16 million- I don't see Hoyer as being the greedy type to extract the last dime out of the Browns. You saw it already- as long as he's winning, he owns the town- stuff hanging over the walls- Hoyer the Destroyer & This is Hoyer Country. BTW, should Brian take the Browns to the playoffs (maybe a little early to start thinking along those lines) , he's untradeable- the fans would riot.

Trade Manziel? Way dumb, it's not happening- he's on a cheap rookie contract, and this is an ideal situation. Sit and learn. Short of an injury, JF isn't seeing the field this year. It might get more difficult a few years down the road, if Hoyer continues showing he's the first competent qb the Browns have had since Bernie Kosar.

thenew23

Keep both. Dumb to even consider trading one of only 2 QBs on our current 53-man roster. Manziel is 1 play away from being our starting QB. The longer he is on the bench, the better it will be for him. Hoyer gets an extension at the end of the season, and Manziel remains backup until needed. After his rookie deal, he can either walk, we can trade him, or maybe he becomes our starter... too early to make a move here...

Mudfly

@frenchie said:

I knew this topic would start hitting the main stream media.....Didn't know it was...

Now what do we do?....Nothing, Just stay the course. Main stream media is lame and knows only what it reads from other main stream media.

Franchise Hoyer? ...No way! He looks good, but not THAT good.

Sign him and trade Johnny? ...Yes, you sign him. No way do you trade Johnny.

Keep both (will that be acceptable to Hoyer?). ..Yes. You need both, so you keep both....and no one cares whats acceptable to Hoyer. It's not his job to control the roster.

Your thoughts? ....See above.

I'm still not a JM believer .....There is no way to know if he's good or not. I wish people would stop GUESSING and use a little sense.

and if I was with the Browns, I would sign Hoyer now...I think they will....

trade Manziel for a high second rounder or best draft choice available....that would be a foolish and irrational move...

The Cysko Kid

Plain dealer reports Hoyer allegedly won't resign with the team if manziel is on it. Hoyer won't comment. Thoughts? I'm a Hoyer supporter so I say if he proves himself trade Johnny and let Shaw back him up.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/10/brian_hoyer_on_if_hell_sign_a.html

Erie Dawg

Total Dick move on hoyers part.

That shit rubbs me the wrong way. Who is he to dictate the roster, total opposite of what team leader and what being a team mate mean.