Interesting Options Developing in Browns QB Situation
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I knew this topic would start hitting the main stream media. Now what do we do? Franchise Hoyer? Sign him and trade Johnny? Keep both (will that be acceptable to Hoyer?). Your thoughts? I'm still not a JM believer and if I was with the Browns, I would sign Hoyer now, trade Manziel for a high second rounder or best draft choice available.
I knew this topic would start hitting the main stream media.....Didn't know it was...
Now what do we do?....Nothing, Just stay the course. Main stream media is lame and knows only what it reads from other main stream media.
Franchise Hoyer? ...No way! He looks good, but not THAT good.
Sign him and trade Johnny? ...Yes, you sign him. No way do you trade Johnny.
Keep both (will that be acceptable to Hoyer?). ..Yes. You need both, so you keep both....and no one cares whats acceptable to Hoyer. It's not his job to control the roster.
Your thoughts? ....See above.
I'm still not a JM believer .....There is no way to know if he's good or not. I wish people would stop GUESSING and use a little sense.
and if I was with the Browns, I would sign Hoyer now...I think they will....
trade Manziel for a high second rounder or best draft choice available....that would be a foolish and irrational move...
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Plain dealer reports Hoyer allegedly won't resign with the team if manziel is on it. Hoyer won't comment. Thoughts? I'm a Hoyer supporter so I say if he proves himself trade Johnny and let Shaw back him up.
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/10/brian_hoyer_on_if_hell_sign_a.html
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Total Dick move on hoyers part.
That shit rubbs me the wrong way. Who is he to dictate the roster, total opposite of what team leader and what being a team mate mean.
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Clearly there's no love lost. I get Hoyer's reaction. He can never be comfortable as long as Johnny Media is on the bench. On the other hand you're right. No player is bigger than the team. But Hoyer's play is putting him in a good spot.
Reading the comments Johnny sounds kind of more like a team player. But who is the better player? Right now it's got to be Hoyer. Over 6 weeks he's the 8th highest rated qb in the league. That's no joke right there.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Grossi was just on and saying this story(or take) is bs. No one ever said anything about Johnny being on the team. Hoyer was clarifying he will be starting and getting paid......where Johnny is doesnt matter at all....mary kay crabgrass is stirring the pot...
So PLEASE.....dont freak out and start bashing Hoyer based on one crappy MK story.....I believe Grossi
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and to clarify....this DOES open the door for hoyer to leave....He wants someone(preferably Cleveland) to commit to him 100% as the starter....say HE's the man....then pay him...so, the Browns gotta say it, give him the job, pay him, then keep the manzealots in check by saying JFF sits another year
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Johnny can sit till his contracts up.
Didn't he hold out? If so good for him, hopefully it was worth it.
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Clearly there's no love lost. I get Hoyer's reaction. He can never be comfortable as long as Johnny Media is on the bench. On the other hand you're right. No player is bigger than the team. But Hoyer's play is putting him in a good spot.
Reading the comments Johnny sounds kind of more like a team player. But who is the better player? Right now it's got to be Hoyer. Over 6 weeks he's the 8th highest rated qb in the league. That's no joke right there.
FUCK!
And in the distance I can hear the JM Fanboys stampeding back to the forum...
Reading the comments Johnny sounds kind of more like a team player.
You said it yourself... Johnny Media. But in the locker room? on the sideline? Who knows...
Anyway... sounds bullshitish to me...
Agent has not been in negotiations since May...
It's Mary Kay citing a Bleacher Report...
Play ball...
EDIT: Thanks, Mud... I feel better now...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
"IF" this is true it lowers my estimation of Hoyer slightly. It really does. What's best for the team is to have Manziel study underneath Hoyer just like Rodgers did under Farve. I fucking hate the plain dealer for reporting this too..even if it's true. If there's no truth to it the plain dealer should have their locker room privileges revoked. A semi qb controversy is simply the last fucking thing we need right now. Fucking Hoyer ought to know that he's one Retarded slide away from being out a year again. It just doesn't "sound" like Hoyer tbh. He's a competitor, and what competitor pulls a ho move like that? It would show he's not confident in himself to keep the job. So basically Hoyer won't be happy unless we have a bum backing him up which ensures that the team sucks if he goes down. Fuck that. And fuck Hoyer if he really is trying to strong arm the Browns like that. Again, until it's proven I won't believe it. I have a hard time believing Manziel would pull something like that either. I get it that Hoyer wants paid and he should be. But if he loses out to Manziel in 3 years that's football. I would hope Hoyer, who considers himself a homer, to be content to be the best back up in football and take the reigns right back if/when Manziel gets hurt.
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To early to say exactly what his worth is. Paid well, for sure. Elite $ no. I would pay him top 8 thru 12$ at this point.
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Oh it was Mary Kay reporting this? Holy fucking balls if that huure was blowing it out her ass yet again she's got to be run out of town. Especially on something like this which is a complete shit stirrer right in the middle of a tough ass season with so many injured players. Good lord this is the last fucking thing we need, fuck her even if it's true actually. This is one you fucking sit on even if you know it's true.
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My stance never changes....if reported by the media,it's gossip & bullshit speculation until proven true or false. We'll see.
Mike
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If Hoyer keeps playing like he is, Johnny will be somewhere else anyway.
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FUCK THAT GROVELING C U NEXT TUESDAY.
We just can't celebrate our win over Pittsburgh without this dolt MKC ruining everything again?
God she's a fucking bag of burden
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She's not even reporting it...she's just repeating what she heard from Bleacher Report...sheesh.....Grossi seemed certain Hoyer wasn't being difficult....he;s just deflecting because it's FOOTBALL time....not Johnny Contract talking time....he's a pro.....no worries.
All the idiot reporterS(LIKE MCK) will pick it up from the AP reports and it still will get lots of air play....cause no one checks facts anymore, they just repeat, report and then react....
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Johnny can sit till his contracts up.
Didn't he hold out? If so good for him, hopefully it was worth it.
Johnny can sit till his contracts up.
Didn't he hold out? If so good for him, hopefully it was worth it.
No, he did not.
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FUCK THAT GROVELING C U NEXT TUESDAY.
We just can't celebrate our win over Pittsburgh without this dolt MKC ruining everything again?
God she's a fucking bag of burden
wow! Are you going to do something nasty to her? Why Tuesday?FUCK THAT GROVELING C U NEXT TUESDAY.
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wow! Are you going to do something nasty to her? Why Tuesday?FUCK THAT GROVELING C U NEXT TUESDAY.
wow! Are you going to do something nasty to her? Why Tuesday?
I think he meant to read closely & abbreviate! LOL
Mike
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wow! Are you going to do something nasty to her? Why Tuesday?FUCK THAT GROVELING C U NEXT TUESDAY.
wow! Are you going to do something nasty to her? Why Tuesday?
Wasn't that a former Cav's coaches quote? Former.
Hoyer is betting on himself, and has been even before the season started when he had all the negative tags. Career backup. Coming off major injury. I gotta admit l admire that.
I don't know about this report though. I think Hoyer's a self starter, but l still think drafting Manziel turned that burner up to 11 under his ass, and so far l'm digging the results.
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Franchise Brian? No... Don't see top 5 bucks in his future.
I've said before a good, three-ish year deal with a mutual option year, and a base salary in the top half of starters plus incentives should do the trick. At least I believe this will do it now... but the longer we wait...
And Johnny's no issue if Brian goes into camps as THE announced starter for as long as he is on this roll. No telling how long that will be...
Will Hoyer give the Browns a hometown discount? He might. $20 million guaranteed (at least) will set him up for life. The franchise tag for a qb is $16 million- I don't see Hoyer as being the greedy type to extract the last dime out of the Browns. You saw it already- as long as he's winning, he owns the town- stuff hanging over the walls- Hoyer the Destroyer & This is Hoyer Country. BTW, should Brian take the Browns to the playoffs (maybe a little early to start thinking along those lines) , he's untradeable- the fans would riot.
Trade Manziel? Way dumb, it's not happening- he's on a cheap rookie contract, and this is an ideal situation. Sit and learn. Short of an injury, JF isn't seeing the field this year. It might get more difficult a few years down the road, if Hoyer continues showing he's the first competent qb the Browns have had since Bernie Kosar.
Will Hoyer give the Browns a hometown discount? He might. $20 million guaranteed (at least) will set him up for life.
I didn't even think about guaranteed money... $20M as part of essentially a 4-year deal seems about right.
Keep both. Dumb to even consider trading one of only 2 QBs on our current 53-man roster. Manziel is 1 play away from being our starting QB. The longer he is on the bench, the better it will be for him. Hoyer gets an extension at the end of the season, and Manziel remains backup until needed. After his rookie deal, he can either walk, we can trade him, or maybe he becomes our starter... too early to make a move here...
Well, first there's Shaw sitting as well. But let's go hypothetical...
There's a QB in Dallas that is at least as close to a hit away from season's end as Hoyer...
Say the Big D QB gets hit first...
A certain GM/ owner sees his dream season evaporating in the hands of a certain backup QB...
We shall call this QB, "Wheezy"...
And Farmer's phone rings...
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