Did Gilbert and Mingo Play?

[LondonBrown]

Mingo had three QB hurries in 12 rushes. Sheard one hit one hurry on 32 rushes. Kruger one hit on 33 rushes

They should rush him more, I think they're torn with what to do with him and its stopping getting the best out of him. He's stuck in two places.

[Zombo]

Mingo had two nice pressures two plays in a row. He's developing, I think we'll see his role expand down the stretch.

Zombo

[slowburn]

Mingo needs to put on twenty pounds to fill out that big frame of his or he will continue to be outmuscled. Whens the next PED's piss test?

[tiamat63]

@thenew23 said:

Don't forget about Gipson. He's quietly having himself quite a season...

I'll say this again, Gipson would be going to the pro bowl with better name recognition and a better pass rush in front of him.

@londonbrown said:

Mingo had three QB hurries in 12 rushes. Sheard one hit one hurry on 32 rushes. Kruger one hit on 33 rushes

They should rush him more, I think they're torn with what to do with him and its stopping getting the best out of him. He's stuck in two places.

A product of Kruger going back to his jump step trying to setup the OT as opposed to attacking a shoulder and dictating leverage.

I think the coaching staff will love the film they put on of this game. Mingo's pressure came from the right side of the Oline with his hand in the ground. He'll have more than ample opportunities to get

after the QB against Jacksonville and Oakland. I hope he gets them in just that fashion. Pettine and O'Neil noticed their blitz happy scheme isn't conducive to the current personnel and rule changes.

Let us hope they start realizing that our best pass rush is with 4 hands in the ground.

I'd also like to credit Desmond Bryant for showing up and playing good yesterday. Held his own against the run and was solid at getting pressure of the middle. We need more of that.

@slowburn said:

Mingo needs to put on twenty pounds to fill out that big frame of his or he will continue to be outmuscled. Whens the next PED's piss test?

Mingo is only slightly lighter than Von Miller. He is however a fair bit taller. Keep in mind he is still very young, a male body doesn't reach full maturity until 25ish. As long as he keeps that speed, learns to keep

his pad level lower and not run so 'leggy' ( a problem Gilbert has) he'll get better.

[Clevfan4life]

You guys realize that one of your main critiques of DQ was he was making tackles downfield.....what game were you guys watching then when you praise our ILB'ers for having double digit tackles? Of course they had double digit tackles cause they were making all the tackles after 5-8 yds. I was at the game 6 rows up from the 50 so I had a good look at our defense. ILB'ers are supposed to fill the gaps and meet the runner at or pretty much as close as possible to the line of scrimmage. Neither of our ILB'ers was doing that. They were all crashing down after the play was already past them. I'm starting to wonder if the defensive scheme is to allow 6 ypc's to the opposing RB.

[Clevfan4life]

@manzier said:

. Maybe they were "bouncing to the outside", because the middle wasn't there. Doh.

The steelers RB's went wherever they pleased tbh. Most of the runs were inside, just like the whole season. Difference was there was more to the outside on sunday than in past games. Our edge guys were pinching inside too much and that is tell tale sign that the inside needed too much help and the DC said fuck it and left it to the DB's and SS to cover the outside. It's not good. If it weren't for Hoyer forcing the Steelers to get away from the run game, yesterdays game could have been a lot closer. If that 1st quarter had kept up the whole game our defense would have been toast by the 4th quarter. I was talking with a Dr today who said if you're needing a cortisone shot to play football the writing might be on the wall for Kruger...you can only do that so many weeks. So Kruger might get shut down for the season in a few weeks if we can't rest him.

[tiamat63]

@clevfan4life said:

You guys realize that one of your main critiques of DQ was he was making tackles downfield.....what game were you guys watching then when you praise our ILB'ers for having double digit tackles? Of course they had double digit tackles cause they were making all the tackles after 5-8 yds.

No offense to our front 7, but they aren't the greatest at keeping the linebackers clean.

[Clevfan4life]

Well yesterday they didn't try to get upfield, they were holding theirs. And it's not like the Steelers line is great....at anything. I really can't say exactly how much should be put on the ILB'ers for what's happening but it's got to be the significant majority. Is it scheme still? Hell if I know. I just know they are not meeting the runners where they should. Dansby has his moments where he gets pressure, but I just don't see him utterly blowing up runs. Not once the whole season. He's made tackles yes, just not those meet me inside and let's see who swings more dick kind of stops that makes the RB's ask the QB for more outside sweeps in the huddle. Maybe Dansby just isn't that guy who knows.

@tiamat63 said:

No offense to our front 7, but they aren't the greatest at keeping the linebackers clean.

[Mudfly]

Then we're watching different players.........

Dansby leads the Browns in tackles & sacks

has 1 of only 4 (25%) of our interceptions

has 2 of only 6 (33%) of our sacks

and 7 tfl's (dq has 3, btw)

he also has 6 passes defensed(which is a lot for LB)

and has already had several huge plays at key times in just the first few games.....sacked Ben yesterday to end a drive, blew up the screen to end a drive, and how can we forget how he sacked Brees for a HUGE loss and WON the freaking game for cryin out loud!!!

If you ask me, he's making more big plays than ANY other defender.....and it started in the first game and has been consistent....who has done more???

[Tour2ma]

@clevfan4life said:

The steelers RB's went wherever they pleased tbh.

You mean other than the endzone, right?

In our first meeting, and our first four games, we tried to stop our opponent's run game and failed. Sunday we tried to contain our opponent's run game and succeeded... and additionally by laying back we also contained their passing attack.

I think we forced them to play our offense settling for bits and pieces of yardage and they simply did not have the patience for it. Meanwhile we attacked them taking chunk after chunk and, as you pointed out, made them switch to what we wanted them to do... pass.

Seems kinda brilliant to me...

[Clevfan4life]

Like I said I fully believe that without air Hoyer they would have grounded us up by the 3rd quarter. Had Ben been able to hand off to Bell all day he would have started scouring us by the 3rd. Sunday was a game where the offense definitely helped out the defense. Pettine admitted that because of all the injuries the defensive playbook would have fit on a napkin..his words.

@tour2ma said:

You mean other than the endzone, right?

In our first meeting, and our first four games, we tried to stop our opponent's run game and failed. Sunday we tried to contain our opponent's run game and succeeded... and additionally by laying back we also contained their passing attack.

I think we forced them to play our offense settling for bits and pieces of yardage and they simply did not have the patience for it. Meanwhile we attacked them taking chunk after chunk and, as you pointed out, made them switch to what we wanted them to do... pass.

Seems kinda brilliant to me...

[Tour2ma]

I like the sound of Air Hoyer...

And there's nothing wrong with simple game plans if they are executed well...

[Clevfan4life]

@mudfly said:

Then we're watching different players.........

Dansby leads the Browns in tackles & sacks

has 1 of only 4 (25%) of our interceptions

has 2 of only 6 (33%) of our sacks

and 7 tfl's (dq has 3, btw)

he also has 6 passes defensed(which is a lot for LB)

and has already had several huge plays at key times in just the first few games.....sacked Ben yesterday to end a drive, blew up the screen to end a drive, and how can we forget how he sacked Brees for a HUGE loss and WON the freaking game for cryin out loud!!!

If you ask me, he's making more big plays than ANY other defender.....and it started in the first game and has been consistent....who has done more???

He has a few big plays this year I'll give you that but it doesn't even remotely make up for the complete facepalm the ILB'ers have put up in the run game. It shouldn't need to be repeated that we've been gashed by practice squad RB's. What game would we have lost this year if our run defense was even mediocre? We would have beat both Pgh and Blt. Dansby told us he was the man, did he not? He said he considers himself the best ILB'er in the NFL. So these tackles he's making 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage, isn't that exactly the critique you guys had of DQ? Maybe there are things Dansby's doing in coverage that are better than DQ, would have to have that pointed out to me on tape but I'll concede the possibility. But him and Kirkseys pursuit of the ball carrier is AWFUL right now. The fact that Oneil is telling the OLB'ers to cave in is a direct admission that our inside guys aren't getting the job done. I refuse to believe it's ALL on the DL cause it's the same guys as last year and we didn't suck this bad. Both Dansby and Kirksey have had highlighted whiffs this year that you just don't see from guys who say "I'm the best". For our run defense problems to be all on the DL we would have to have the worst DL in football not just this year but historically bad. You know that's not the case. Somebody has to figure out what's going on. One of us needs to get the all 22 and see just wtf is up with our linebackers and the run game. Cause even with mediocre run defense we're looking down at the AFC north right now as the only undefeated team in the NFL.

[Manzier]

@clevfan4life said:

Well yesterday they didn't try to get upfield, they were holding theirs. And it's not like the Steelers line is great....at anything. I really can't say exactly how much should be put on the ILB'ers for what's happening but it's got to be the significant majority. Is it scheme still? Hell if I know. I just know they are not meeting the runners where they should. Dansby has his moments where he gets pressure, but I just don't see him utterly blowing up runs. Not once the whole season. He's made tackles yes, just not those meet me inside and let's see who swings more dick kind of stops that makes the RB's ask the QB for more outside sweeps in the huddle. Maybe Dansby just isn't that guy who knows.

@mudfly said:

Then we're watching different players.........

Dansby leads the Browns in tackles & sacks

has 1 of only 4 (25%) of our interceptions

has 2 of only 6 (33%) of our sacks

and 7 tfl's (dq has 3, btw)

he also has 6 passes defensed(which is a lot for LB)

and has already had several huge plays at key times in just the first few games.....sacked Ben yesterday to end a drive, blew up the screen to end a drive, and how can we forget how he sacked Brees for a HUGE loss and WON the freaking game for cryin out loud!!!

If you ask me, he's making more big plays than ANY other defender.....and it started in the first game and has been consistent....who has done more???

@clevfan4life said:

He has a few big plays this year I'll give you that but it doesn't even remotely make up for the complete facepalm the ILB'ers have put up in the run game. It shouldn't need to be repeated that we've been gashed by practice squad RB's. What game would we have lost this year if our run defense was even mediocre? We would have beat both Pgh and Blt. Dansby told us he was the man, did he not? He said he considers himself the best ILB'er in the NFL. So these tackles he's making 10 yards behind the line of scrimmage, isn't that exactly the critique you guys had of DQ? Maybe there are things Dansby's doing in coverage that are better than DQ, would have to have that pointed out to me on tape but I'll concede the possibility. But him and Kirkseys pursuit of the ball carrier is AWFUL right now. The fact that Oneil is telling the OLB'ers to cave in is a direct admission that our inside guys aren't getting the job done. I refuse to believe it's ALL on the DL cause it's the same guys as last year and we didn't suck this bad. Both Dansby and Kirksey have had highlighted whiffs this year that you just don't see from guys who say "I'm the best". For our run defense problems to be all on the DL we would have to have the worst DL in football not just this year but historically bad. You know that's not the case. Somebody has to figure out what's going on. One of us needs to get the all 22 and see just wtf is up with our linebackers and the run game. Cause even with mediocre run defense we're looking down at the AFC north right now as the only undefeated team in the NFL.

Borrowed this from another thread. It looks like some some other people think Dansby is real good too. Im sure you'll attempt another spin to show he must be replaced, when he clearly is one of our best defenders(if not THE best).

[gftChris]

@manzier said:

Borrowed this from another thread. It looks like some some other people think Dansby is real good too. Im sure you'll attempt another spin to show he must be replaced, when he clearly is one of our best defenders(if not THE best).

Welcome

[Manzier]

Thanks.