Interesting Options Developing in Browns QB Situation
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Take Hoyer out of the equation, how would we be reacting to Gilbert not playing until year 3? He'd be a wasted pick.
Take Hoyer out of the equation, how would we be reacting to Gilbert not playing until year 3? He'd be a wasted pick.
If Gilbert could master the QB position in two years, I'd be willing to wait.
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Take Hoyer out of the equation, how would we be reacting to Gilbert not playing until year 3? He'd be a wasted pick.
Quarterbacks are different in that they are commodities that you can store. Favre, Brady, Rodgers, and many others didn't play their first year, Rodgers sat 3 or 4 I think. Hardest position in sports to learn and play, if the talent is there you keep them. Cornerbacks are no good to you if they aren't on the field, they are taking up roster spots. Gotta have a #2 QB.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Quarterbacks are different in that they are commodities that you can store. Favre, Brady, Rodgers, and many others didn't play their first year, Rodgers sat 3 or 4 I think. Hardest position in sports to learn and play, if the talent is there you keep them. Cornerbacks are no good to you if they aren't on the field, they are taking up roster spots. Gotta have a #2 QB.
Zombo
Not to mention Manziel didn't go through four years of college. If anyone needs to sit for 3-4 years, it is him, and I'd be perfectly happy with that so long as Hoyer continues to play at current levels.
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Completely false. Unless the Browns make the playoffs Manziel will start at some point next year regardless if Hoyer is healthy. PTI spent time today mapping out what everyone, other than Browns' fans realize.
And before I get called a Manzelot or troll, I think Hoyer has been excellent and in no way deserves this situation. I was not a fan of drafting Manziel. The cold hard truth that everyone outside of Cleveland realizes, you don't draft a QB in the first round, especially with the hype of Johnny Football and keep him on the bench for 2 seasons unless you have the guy you want to be your QB the next 5 plus years.
The PTI guys bought Cole's "reporting"... did not question it at all. Very disappointing... Tony K is an unabashed Manzelot because JM is good press times two: "exciting" to watch on the field and at the center of something or other off. Makes him a 12-month story perfect for 24/7 sports media.
As for the whole first round thing... what may have been true draft day does not have to remain true in light of current circumstances. Since that pick was turned in BH's stock has risen dramatically while JM's has fallen.
Sometimes you have the guy you want and don't know it...
The PTI guys bought Cole's "reporting"... did not question it at all. Very disappointing... Tony K is an unabashed Manzelot because JM is good press times two: "exciting" to watch on the field and at the center of something or other off. Makes him a 12-month story perfect for 24/7 sports media.
As for the whole first round thing... what may have been true draft day does not have to remain true in light of current circumstances. Since that pick was turned in BH's stock has risen dramatically while JM's has fallen.
Sometimes you have the guy you want and don't know it...
Didn't realize the PTI guys bought the Bleacher Report garbage hook, line, and sinker. You'd think they'd do a little research before running their mouths. On further review- yup- BSPN wants to see Johnny Football out there, not boring Brian Hoyer- even though should Hoyer take the Browns to the playoffs- it is easily the top surprise of the year. Same way they're still sucking up to non-story RG III.
CBA has been in place since 2011 and no change.
You can also include 2nd rounders in that mix since 2011 only Denver and New England have kept their pick on the bench.
Any why is that Bacon? IT'S BECAUSE THE GUY STARTING AHEAD OF HIM WAS BETTER. DOH!!! Right now Hoyer is the better qb, and it's not even arguable. Who did Bortles replace? Carr? Bridgewater? A who's- not -who list of bums. BTW, expectations for a qb taken in the top 5 are a lot different than a qb taken in the 20s.
Take Hoyer out of the equation, how would we be reacting to Gilbert not playing until year 3? He'd be a wasted pick.
Z pointed out other position players are viewed differently that quarterbacks. Manziel didn't even have a playbook at A&M. I mean get used to the idea- as long as Hoyer is playing at a high level, Manziel sits. Yes, next year too. And maybe even the year after that. No decision needs to be made until his rookie deal runs out- after his 4th year in the league.
BTW, right now the last thing I would want to see happen is Hoyer get hurt- the Manzealots get their wish- and JFF goes out there and starts making a ton of rookie mistakes.
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Hoyer is the one who gave Cole credibility with his bullshit answers... how hard is to say "thats not true" ? He could have put an end to this bs with those 3 words
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Maybe he's getting frustrated that this team is finally coming together and playing real, pro level football, he's trying to concentrate on keeping that going and all these so-called "reporters" want to do is create bullshit chaos by asking stupid, unfounded questions about the rookie on the bench who is doing nothing to contribute right now. I know I sure am.
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Right now Johnny is an athlete playing QB, but what happens when he becomes a QB who is an athlete?
I'm sure you understand what I mean by that and it changes everything. Pettine sees it which is why he keeps saying what he does about Johnny for the long run.
How good of "a QB"?
As long as Hoyer is playing at the level he is, it changes nothing.
I think that when the Browns organization drafted JM they had no idea that Hoyer would be great. They thought at least pretty good, probably good, possibly very good, but great was never factored in.
How good of "a QB"?
As long as Hoyer is playing at the level he is, it changes nothing.
I think that when the Browns organization drafted JM they had no idea that Hoyer would be great. They thought at least pretty good, probably good, possibly very good, but great was never factored in.
What I mean by that is he shows he can play QB at the highest level and retains the ability to escape would-be tacklers while finding open receivers downfield. That would mean he is playing better than Hoyer. And the jury is still out on whether Hoyer is "great". Too small a sample size to determine that yet. Win 7 of the next 11 and get past the first round of the playoffs, then I would start to concede that point. And you would then be correct, it would not matter what JF is doing in practice. As dear old DKR once said of his longhorns, "We'll dance with the ones that brung us."
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The PTI guys bought Cole's "reporting"... did not question it at all. Very disappointing... Tony K is an unabashed Manzelot because JM is good press times two: "exciting" to watch on the field and at the center of something or other off. Makes him a 12-month story perfect for 24/7 sports media.
As for the whole first round thing... what may have been true draft day does not have to remain true in light of current circumstances. Since that pick was turned in BH's stock has risen dramatically while JM's has fallen.
Sometimes you have the guy you want and don't know it...
Didn't realize the PTI guys bought the Bleacher Report garbage hook, line, and sinker. You'd think they'd do a little research before running their mouths. On further review- yup- BSPN wants to see Johnny Football out there, not boring Brian Hoyer- even though should Hoyer take the Browns to the playoffs- it is easily the top surprise of the year. Same way they're still sucking up to non-story RG III.
CBA has been in place since 2011 and no change.
You can also include 2nd rounders in that mix since 2011 only Denver and New England have kept their pick on the bench.
Any why is that Bacon? IT'S BECAUSE THE GUY STARTING AHEAD OF HIM WAS BETTER. DOH!!! Right now Hoyer is the better qb, and it's not even arguable. Who did Bortles replace? Carr? Bridgewater? A who's- not -who list of bums. BTW, expectations for a qb taken in the top 5 are a lot different than a qb taken in the 20s.
Take Hoyer out of the equation, how would we be reacting to Gilbert not playing until year 3? He'd be a wasted pick.
Z pointed out other position players are viewed differently that quarterbacks. Manziel didn't even have a playbook at A&M. I mean get used to the idea- as long as Hoyer is playing at a high level, Manziel sits. Yes, next year too. And maybe even the year after that. No decision needs to be made until his rookie deal runs out- after his 4th year in the league.
BTW, right now the last thing I would want to see happen is Hoyer get hurt- the Manzealots get their wish- and JFF goes out there and starts making a ton of rookie mistakes.
Didn't realize the PTI guys bought the Bleacher Report garbage hook, line, and sinker. You'd think they'd do a little research before running their mouths. On further review- yup- BSPN wants to see Johnny Football out there, not boring Brian Hoyer- even though should Hoyer take the Browns to the playoffs- it is easily the top surprise of the year. Same way they're still sucking up to non-story RG III.
Any why is that Bacon? IT'S BECAUSE THE GUY STARTING AHEAD OF HIM WAS BETTER. DOH!!! Right now Hoyer is the better qb, and it's not even arguable. Who did Bortles replace? Carr? Bridgewater? A who's- not -who list of bums. BTW, expectations for a qb taken in the top 5 are a lot different than a qb taken in the 20s.
Z pointed out other position players are viewed differently that quarterbacks. Manziel didn't even have a playbook at A&M. I mean get used to the idea- as long as Hoyer is playing at a high level, Manziel sits. Yes, next year too. And maybe even the year after that. No decision needs to be made until his rookie deal runs out- after his 4th year in the league.
BTW, right now the last thing I would want to see happen is Hoyer get hurt- the Manzealots get their wish- and JFF goes out there and starts making a ton of rookie mistakes.
Actually it's because Manning and Brady are two of the best QBs to ever play the game, Hoyer has had a good start to the season. As soon as the Browns lose a game everyone thinks they should win or he starts to slip a bit all the talk will be about Manziel. I hope it doesn't happen because I simply don't think Manziel has what it takes physically to be a franchise QB but it's not what I think, it's what Farmer and Haslam think and as soon as they drafted him Hoyer's days were numbered.
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Mary Kay Cabot now reporting the report is false and Hoyer said "it couldn't be further from the truth"
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Good news, thats what i wanted to hear.
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the new CBA changed all of that, so you can't compare the 2.
CBA has been in place since 2011 and no change.
You can also include 2nd rounders in that mix since 2011 only Denver and New England have kept their pick on the bench.
How about The rookie wage scale?CBA has been in place since 2011 and no change.
If your asking to go back 10 years and pre rookie wage scale you absolutely can't compare the two. Before the new Cba your were financially forced to start a qb his first year. Teams were paying 50+ million for an unproven commodity. Now teams can afford to let a first round qb sit and learn. We have the luxury to have a qb that can win games while the rookie sits, other teams don't so they force him in before he's ready.
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Zombo said:
Hoyer may not have cashed in on the Browns yet, but the Browns are cashing in on him:
LOL... love it...
What I mean by that is he shows he can play QB at the highest level and retains the ability to escape would-be tacklers while finding open receivers downfield. That would mean he is playing better than Hoyer. And the jury is still out on whether Hoyer is "great".
Hoyer is much closer to great than your guy is to your "if"...
Mary Kay Cabot now reporting the report is false and Hoyer said "it couldn't be further from the truth"
Thank you Walter... you've earned one troll-free week...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Yeah, I heard this on the Radio today, didn't see the video and Pettine comments.
Good find.
Hoyer's been focused on Jacksonville, so as this story has started blowing up it looks like he realized he needed to break and address it - put it to rest.
There's a pretty good sized $**+Storm going on about our QB situation right now - quite a few ways of handling things.
For now it seems both parties are content to take a wait and see approach . . . I think it's going to cost the Browns in the long run, but I really think they have to sign Hoyer for a pretty sizable contract.
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Didn't realize the PTI guys bought the Bleacher Report garbage hook, line, and sinker. You'd think they'd do a little research before running their mouths. On further review- yup- BSPN wants to see Johnny Football out there, not boring Brian Hoyer- even though should Hoyer take the Browns to the playoffs- it is easily the top surprise of the year. Same way they're still sucking up to non-story RG III.
Any why is that Bacon? IT'S BECAUSE THE GUY STARTING AHEAD OF HIM WAS BETTER. DOH!!! Right now Hoyer is the better qb, and it's not even arguable. Who did Bortles replace? Carr? Bridgewater? A who's- not -who list of bums. BTW, expectations for a qb taken in the top 5 are a lot different than a qb taken in the 20s.
Z pointed out other position players are viewed differently that quarterbacks. Manziel didn't even have a playbook at A&M. I mean get used to the idea- as long as Hoyer is playing at a high level, Manziel sits. Yes, next year too. And maybe even the year after that. No decision needs to be made until his rookie deal runs out- after his 4th year in the league.
BTW, right now the last thing I would want to see happen is Hoyer get hurt- the Manzealots get their wish- and JFF goes out there and starts making a ton of rookie mistakes.
Actually it's because Manning and Brady are two of the best QBs to ever play the game, Hoyer has had a good start to the season. As soon as the Browns lose a game everyone thinks they should win or he starts to slip a bit all the talk will be about Manziel. I hope it doesn't happen because I simply don't think Manziel has what it takes physically to be a franchise QB but it's not what I think, it's what Farmer and Haslam think and as soon as they drafted him Hoyer's days were numbered.
Actually it's because Manning and Brady are two of the best QBs to ever play the game, Hoyer has had a good start to the season. As soon as the Browns lose a game everyone thinks they should win or he starts to slip a bit all the talk will be about Manziel. I hope it doesn't happen because I simply don't think Manziel has what it takes physically to be a franchise QB but it's not what I think, it's what Farmer and Haslam think and as soon as they drafted him Hoyer's days were numbered.
We'll just have to agree to disagree, enough already. With every win, Hoyer's leash gets longer- fact. He'd have to pull a couple Wee-done level stinkers in a row- at least- to start the Johnny chants going. That or an injury.
Mary Kay Cabot now reporting the report is false and Hoyer said "it couldn't be further from the truth"
Demote her to the Home & Garden section.
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Actually it's because Manning and Brady are two of the best QBs to ever play the game, Hoyer has had a good start to the season. As soon as the Browns lose a game everyone thinks they should win or he starts to slip a bit all the talk will be about Manziel. I hope it doesn't happen because I simply don't think Manziel has what it takes physically to be a franchise QB but it's not what I think, it's what Farmer and Haslam think and as soon as they drafted him Hoyer's days were numbered.
We'll just have to agree to disagree, enough already. With every win, Hoyer's leash gets longer- fact. He'd have to pull a couple Wee-done level stinkers in a row- at least- to start the Johnny chants going. That or an injury.
Mary Kay Cabot now reporting the report is false and Hoyer said "it couldn't be further from the truth"
Demote her to the Home & Garden section.
We'll just have to agree to disagree, enough already. With every win, Hoyer's leash gets longer- fact. He'd have to pull a couple Wee-done level stinkers in a row- at least- to start the Johnny chants going. That or an injury.
Demote her to the Home & Garden section.
MKC: "Jason Campbell is an elite quarterback."
Enough said.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
Actually it's because Manning and Brady are two of the best QBs to ever play the game, Hoyer has had a good start to the season. As soon as the Browns lose a game everyone thinks they should win or he starts to slip a bit all the talk will be about Manziel. I hope it doesn't happen because I simply don't think Manziel has what it takes physically to be a franchise QB but it's not what I think, it's what Farmer and Haslam think and as soon as they drafted him Hoyer's days were numbered.
We'll just have to agree to disagree, enough already. With every win, Hoyer's leash gets longer- fact. He'd have to pull a couple Wee-done level stinkers in a row- at least- to start the Johnny chants going. That or an injury.
Mary Kay Cabot now reporting the report is false and Hoyer said "it couldn't be further from the truth"
Demote her to the Home & Garden section.
Demote her to the Home & Garden section.
"MKC: October is the perfect time to plant tomatoes, squash and other ornamentals."
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Zombo said:
Hoyer may not have cashed in on the Browns yet, but the Browns are cashing in on him:
LOL... love it...
What I mean by that is he shows he can play QB at the highest level and retains the ability to escape would-be tacklers while finding open receivers downfield. That would mean he is playing better than Hoyer. And the jury is still out on whether Hoyer is "great".
Hoyer is much closer to great than your guy is to your "if"...
Mary Kay Cabot now reporting the report is false and Hoyer said "it couldn't be further from the truth"
Thank you Walter... you've earned one troll-free week...
Hoyer is much closer to great than your guy is to your "if"...
You forget. They are both "my guy" now. Just keep winning.
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