Jonathan Paul Manziel
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I wasn't saying we should go to Manziel as a starter, but I think we need to utilize him in a package for maybe a few plays. He could inject some life into the offense next time they are playing that stagnant... might've helped this past Sunday
I wasn't saying we should go to Manziel as a starter, but I think we need to utilize him in a package for maybe a few plays. He could inject some life into the offense next time they are playing that stagnant... might've helped this past Sunday
But the coaches know what a slippery slope that is. Manziel comes in for one series and its 3 and out, no big deal Hoyer comes in and everything is fine. Manziel comes in for one drive and does some Manziel-ian things and leads the team to a energy injecting score.....you can't go back to Hoyer. Thats the problem. That would force their hand, and they don't want to be in that position.
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Manziel just offers what Hoyer doesn't....
The ability to get outside of the pocket and make plays with his feet.
If the offensive line is going to play good, then go with Hoyer.
If the offensive line is going to suck dicks, you go with Manziel so he can avoid the pressure.
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if manziel comes in it won't be for long. sounds like they want to mix things up a bit to keep the defense on their toes and guessing.
if he comes in for a series or two and lights it up, then there's a discussion.
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I wasn't saying we should go to Manziel as a starter, but I think we need to utilize him in a package for maybe a few plays. He could inject some life into the offense next time they are playing that stagnant... might've helped this past Sunday
But the coaches know what a slippery slope that is. Manziel comes in for one series and its 3 and out, no big deal Hoyer comes in and everything is fine. Manziel comes in for one drive and does some Manziel-ian things and leads the team to a energy injecting score.....you can't go back to Hoyer. Thats the problem. That would force their hand, and they don't want to be in that position.
But the coaches know what a slippery slope that is. Manziel comes in for one series and its 3 and out, no big deal Hoyer comes in and everything is fine. Manziel comes in for one drive and does some Manziel-ian things and leads the team to a energy injecting score.....you can't go back to Hoyer. Thats the problem. That would force their hand, and they don't want to be in that position.
I completely disagree. You can say Manziel was ready for a short stint in the game, but not ready to start every week in the NFL. That is probably more the truth anyway...
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If JF comes in the game, I hope its not those same crap plays they gave him the first couple of times. I for one would like to see where he's at in his progression. He's one play away from having to come in and lead this team. He needs some game time to get ready for that. I think he could have been used in the Jacksonville game, but I understand they had to see if Hoyer had another big comeback in him. Best case scenario is Hoyer leads team to a big lead, and Johnny gets to mop up. (I can dream can't I)
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Dumbest move ever. How many QB's confidence must our FO destroy every year? If he has to look over his shoulder then pack it up. We are fucked.
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Dumbest move ever. How many QB's confidence must our FO destroy every year? If he has to look over his shoulder then pack it up. We are fucked.
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Dumbest move ever. How many QB's confidence must our FO destroy every year? If he has to look over his shoulder then pack it up. We are fucked.
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The writing has been on the wall since they drafted Manziel. A lot of fans got a chubby when the team was 3-2, thinking 11-5 was a reality, but this team is what it is. What has always scared me is the simple fact that guys who get paid a lot of money to evaluate players thought, and maybe still think, Johnny Manziel is the answer. I hope I'm wrong and the 5'9" guy that weighs 195 with a suspect mind and average arm is the next Doug Flutie but if I am, after that steaming pile of a pre-season, he would've already been given the keys to the car.
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The writing has been on the wall since they drafted Manziel. A lot of fans got a chubby when the team was 3-2, thinking 11-5 was a reality, but this team is what it is. What has always scared me is the simple fact that guys who get paid a lot of money to evaluate players thought, and maybe still think, Johnny Manziel is the answer. I hope I'm wrong and the 5'9" guy that weighs 195 with a suspect mind and average arm is the next Doug Flutie but if I am, after that steaming pile of a pre-season, he would've already been given the keys to the car.
I hope I'm wrong and the 5'9" guy that weighs 195 with a suspect mind and average arm is the next Doug Flutie but if I am, after that steaming pile of a pre-season, he would've already been given the keys to the car.
You're already wrong seeing has how he's not 5'9 but rather 5'11 3/4 and weighs 210 not 195.
A suspect mind? Who the fuck are you, Dr. Phil?
Below average arm? It's probably better than Hoyer's in all honesty. The underthrow to Gabriel was living prooof Hoyer doesn't have a great arm.
He had a better preseason than Hoyer you genius.
I'm saying if Hoyer shits the bed vs. Tampa and Oakland, you go with Manziel to see what he can do
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Manziel just offers what Hoyer doesn't....
The ability to get outside of the pocket and make plays with his feet.
If the offensive line is going to play good, then go with Hoyer.
If the offensive line is going to suck dicks, you go with Manziel so he can avoid the pressure.
Manziel just offers what Hoyer doesn't....
The ability to get outside of the pocket and make plays with his feet.
If the offensive line is going to play good, then go with Hoyer.
If the offensive line is going to suck dicks, you go with Manziel so he can avoid the pressure.
Fucking brilliant. Nevermind that the kid is still an extremely raw rookie that opposing NFL defenses will FORCE to remain in the pocket. He'll have to make throws, pure and simple. To date, he's not shown the ability
to even come close to consistently doing that.
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I hope I'm wrong and the 5'9" guy that weighs 195 with a suspect mind and average arm is the next Doug Flutie but if I am, after that steaming pile of a pre-season, he would've already been given the keys to the car.
You're already wrong seeing has how he's not 5'9 but rather 5'11 3/4 and weighs 210 not 195.
A suspect mind? Who the fuck are you, Dr. Phil?
Below average arm? It's probably better than Hoyer's in all honesty. The underthrow to Gabriel was living prooof Hoyer doesn't have a great arm.
He had a better preseason than Hoyer you genius.
I'm saying if Hoyer shits the bed vs. Tampa and Oakland, you go with Manziel to see what he can do
You're already wrong seeing has how he's not 5'9 but rather 5'11 3/4 and weighs 210 not 195.
A suspect mind? Who the fuck are you, Dr. Phil?
Below average arm? It's probably better than Hoyer's in all honesty. The underthrow to Gabriel was living prooof Hoyer doesn't have a great arm.
He had a better preseason than Hoyer you genius.
I'm saying if Hoyer shits the bed vs. Tampa and Oakland, you go with Manziel to see what he can do
Sumlin's offense could be run by a guy off the street.
I never said Hoyer has a strong arm, so saying Manziel throws it harder than Pennington doesn't me he's Warren Moon.
Manziel's pre-season was primarily against 2nd and 3rd string, against the #1's game 3 he was suspect.
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Manziel just offers what Hoyer doesn't....
The ability to get outside of the pocket and make plays with his feet.
If the offensive line is going to play good, then go with Hoyer.
If the offensive line is going to suck dicks, you go with Manziel so he can avoid the pressure.
Fucking brilliant. Nevermind that the kid is still an extremely raw rookie that opposing NFL defenses will FORCE to remain in the pocket. He'll have to make throws, pure and simple. To date, he's not shown the ability
to even come close to consistently doing that.
He'll have to make throws, pure and simple. To date, he's not shown the ability
to even come close to consistently doing that.
And Brian Hoyer proved on Sunday he can't consistently do that with a wide open Jordan Cameron and Taylor Gabriel.
You have to make those throws. That's 14 points left off the board.
My argument for Manziel is that if Hoyer does this again against Tampa & Oakland, you have to go with Manziel.
Hoyer has 0 mobility so at least Manziel will be able to extend plays
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As poorly as Brian played the two gifts in the red zone were the killers.
WSS
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He'll have to make throws, pure and simple. To date, he's not shown the ability
to even come close to consistently doing that.
And Brian Hoyer proved on Sunday he can't consistently do that with a wide open Jordan Cameron and Taylor Gabriel.
You have to make those throws. That's 14 points left off the board.
My argument for Manziel is that if Hoyer does this again against Tampa & Oakland, you have to go with Manziel.
Hoyer has 0 mobility so at least Manziel will be able to extend plays
And Brian Hoyer proved on Sunday he can't consistently do that with a wide open Jordan Cameron and Taylor Gabriel.
You have to make those throws. That's 14 points left off the board.
My argument for Manziel is that if Hoyer does this again against Tampa & Oakland, you have to go with Manziel.
Hoyer has 0 mobility so at least Manziel will be able to extend plays
Your definition of mobility is having wheels to haul ass, my definition of mobility is a QB that can slide in the pocket when he senses pressure. The latter is generally the far more successful of the two.
As for Hoyer, he has one bad. One, and you throw this tangent out there? GTFO. Hoyer has had several games with great throws and consistent touch and Foosball can't quite dream of.
That said, I see you've been smoking some good shit again.
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And Brian Hoyer proved on Sunday he can't consistently do that with a wide open Jordan Cameron and Taylor Gabriel.
You have to make those throws. That's 14 points left off the board.
My argument for Manziel is that if Hoyer does this again against Tampa & Oakland, you have to go with Manziel.
Hoyer has 0 mobility so at least Manziel will be able to extend plays
Your definition of mobility is having wheels to haul ass, my definition of mobility is a QB that can slide in the pocket when he senses pressure. The latter is generally the far more successful of the two.
As for Hoyer, he has one bad. One, and you throw this tangent out there? GTFO. Hoyer has had several games with great throws and consistent touch and Foosball can't quite dream of.
That said, I see you've been smoking some good shit again.
Your definition of mobility is having wheels to haul ass, my definition of mobility is a QB that can slide in the pocket when he senses pressure. The latter is generally the far more successful of the two.
As for Hoyer, he has one bad. One, and you throw this tangent out there? GTFO. Hoyer has had several games with great throws and consistent touch and Foosball can't quite dream of.
That said, I see you've been smoking some good shit again.
Ditto. Hoyer hasn't displayed mobility issues at all. The good quarterbacks can sense pressure and move away from it while continuing to scan the field, something Hoyer does very well.
Even if Manziel does play at some point this season, I don't want to see him end up like RG3.
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Manziel just offers what Hoyer doesn't....
The ability to get outside of the pocket and make plays with his feet.
If the offensive line is going to play good, then go with Hoyer.
If the offensive line is going to suck dicks, you go with Manziel so he can avoid the pressure.
Fucking brilliant. Nevermind that the kid is still an extremely raw rookie that opposing NFL defenses will FORCE to remain in the pocket. He'll have to make throws, pure and simple. To date, he's not shown the ability
to even come close to consistently doing that.
He'll have to make throws, pure and simple. To date, he's not shown the ability
to even come close to consistently doing that.
Are we talking about Manziel or Hoyer (dead last in NFL with a completion % of 55.7)
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Are we talking about Manziel or Hoyer (dead last in NFL with a completion % of 55.7)
Oh, so you think Foosball hits Barnidge on 4th and 11 on his own side of the field? Please... try to tell me that with a straight face.
Fact is, when you attempt fewer passes and you miss on some, its quite the detriment to the completion %. I do notice how you conveniently don't bring up
Hoyer leading the NFL in throws downfield (over 12 yards) which would further cement the Browns being a running team that drives the ball downfield on play action.
If this was a dink and dunk type offense, I might just buy into the completion percentage being a grand problem. Fact is, its not.
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Are we talking about Manziel or Hoyer (dead last in NFL with a completion % of 55.7)
Oh, so you think Foosball hits Barnidge on 4th and 11 on his own side of the field? Please... try to tell me that with a straight face.
Fact is, when you attempt fewer passes and you miss on some, its quite the detriment to the completion %. I do notice how you conveniently don't bring up
Hoyer leading the NFL in throws downfield (over 12 yards) which would further cement the Browns being a running team that drives the ball downfield on play action.
If this was a dink and dunk type offense, I might just buy into the completion percentage being a grand problem. Fact is, its not.
Oh, so you think Foosball hits Barnidge on 4th and 11 on his own side of the field? Please... try to tell me that with a straight face.
Fact is, when you attempt fewer passes and you miss on some, its quite the detriment to the completion %. I do notice how you conveniently don't bring up
Hoyer leading the NFL in throws downfield (over 12 yards) which would further cement the Browns being a running team that drives the ball downfield on play action.
If this was a dink and dunk type offense, I might just buy into the completion percentage being a grand problem. Fact is, its not.
Yeah, completing passes is overrated....
Once again this board has dove into misunderstanding that this is Hoyer vs Manziel. It is not. Its Hoyer vs. Inevitability. It's never been a "If" and always has been a "When". Hoyer starting, I agree with 1) Manziel wasn't ready preseason. It was clear and 2) You can't look the vets in the eye and tell them you're throwing away a year of their career not trying for the playoffs because you want a rookie to get his feet wet. Can't do it.
As long as we're in the playoffs you play Hoyer, once we're out, thats the last you see of Hoyer. It should be clear to everyone, and I assure you its clear to the Browns FO, that Hoyer isn't a Top 15 QB in this league, questionably Top 25. Without a great QB you're stuck in the middle and always look for the next one. Browns fans are so beat down with horrible QBs that the first time we see one that isn't god awful you fall in love and ignore everything he actually is, which is mediocre. Always has been, and will be. So Manziel is going to get his shot, once Hoyer throws up another dud and/or we're out of the playoff race...which will probably come around the same time.
The fact that Hoyer has played what everyone would consider "Great, for him" so far this year and hes still what....last in Comp % second to last in TDs 22nd in QBR....tells you all you need to know. Some of you Hoyer fans/Manziel haters around here are in extreme denial if you think Hoyer is a great QB and will lead this team in the future. He's never shown anything then what he is, at best, average.
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