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  • I was at the game yesterday and saw Hughes go down in garbage time. They had to cart him off.

    Any update on his status?

    If he can't go, who does that leave?

    Rubin and Kitchen?

    When is Taylor due back?

    Hopefully they get a few of these big guys back at the line for the run stopping is going to continue being an issue.

  • I suspect Taylor will be back next week. Depth is an issue in many spots on this team, I agree DL is probably where we've suffered the most. (And quite obviously on the Oline)

    It's something we'll have to keep working on. Can't fill everything in 1 off season.

  • Last I saw, Hughes was having an MRI today.

  • If he's out, we're left with:

    D Bryant

    Rubin

    Winn

    Kitchen

    Maybe Phil Taylor, and maybe the other guy we picked up from waivers a while ago (Sua?)

    In addition, Jacobbi McDaniels has been on the roster bubble as a UDFA the coaching staff was pretty high on in the summer.

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  • Wasn't Winn still out with an injury too?

  • hx214H hx214

    Wasn't Winn still out with an injury too?

    @hx214 said:

    Wasn't Winn still out with an injury too?

    Was questionable for the game yesterday, he'll be back on Sunday, most likely.

  • The DL was the strength of this team when the season started in terms of depth. Now we have at least 3 men down.

    One possible solution: return Sheard to the DE position, or even put Mingo there. Here are the players on our roster who are designated as Defensive Linemen:

    Billy Winn

    Phil Taylor

    Aytahba Rubin

    Ismaa'ly Kitchen

    John Hughes

    Desmond Bryant

    Sione Fua

    .......

    Jaccobi McDaniels PS

    .........

    Armonty Bryant IR

    Calvin Barnett PS injured

    Now here are our LBs:

    Tank Carder

    Karlos Dansby

    Christian Kirksey

    Paul Kruger

    Eric Martin

    Barkevious Mingo

    Craig Robertson

    Jaball Sheard

    ......

    Allen Bradford PS

    Keith Pough PS

    .....

    Darius Eubanks IR

    With Hughes and Taylor of questionable health, we need something on that DL. Rubin and D.Bryant may have to be the ones to clog the middle.

    Putting Sheard in as a DE can't hurt....as there is more OLB depth with Kruger and Mingo etc.

  • Does this depth chart still stand:

    RDE 92 Bryant, Desmond U/Oak 90 Winn, Billy 12/6

    NT 71 Rubin, Ahtyba 08/6 67 Kitchen, Ishmaa'ily W/Bal 70 Fua, Sione SF14

    LDE 93 Hughes, John 12/3 98 Taylor, Phil 11/1

    LOLB 99 Kruger, Paul U/Bal 97 Sheard, Jabaal 11/2

    LILB 53 Robertson, Craig CF11 58 Kirksey, Christian 14/3

    RILB 56 DANSBY, KARLOS U/Arz 59 Carder, Tank W/Buf

    ROLB 51 Mingo, Barkevious 13/1 52 Martin, Eric W/NO

    LCB 23 Haden, Joe 10/1 36 Williams, K'Waun CF14 42 Nelson, Robert CF14

    SS 31 Whitner, Donte U/SF 30 LEONHARD, JIM SF14 24 Bademosi, Johnson CF12

    FS 39 Gipson, Tashaun CF12 33 Poyer, Jordan W/Phi

    RCB 22 Skrine, Buster 11/5 21 Gilbert, Justin 14/1 26 Desir, Pierre 14/4

  • Sheard played some DE in one of the games recently, I think the Steelers game, after Bryant went down. But then, we're left with just Kruger and Mingo at OLB...

  • I presume, Gipper, you know that our DE's range from 285-320..? Sheard is 260 tops and by you asking him to move to DE that means sliding inside on passing downs. Which I have no issue with other than he won't hold the interior well of its a run play and Mingo won't hold the edge well either.

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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    If he's out, we're left with:

    D Bryant

    Rubin

    Winn

    Kitchen

    Maybe Phil Taylor, and maybe the other guy we picked up from waivers a while ago (Sua?)

    In addition, Jacobbi McDaniels has been on the roster bubble as a UDFA the coaching staff was pretty high on in the summer.

    @gftchris said:

    Maybe Phil Taylor, and maybe the other guy we picked up from waivers a while ago (Sua?)

    In addition, Jacobbi McDaniels has been on the roster bubble as a UDFA the coaching staff was pretty high on in the summer.

    Sua played some Sunday.

    Not quite 3 weeks since Phil's knee was worked on. He was expected to be out "a few weeks".

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  • I've been an advocate of putting Sheard back at DE too.

    Maybe Tour is right, that our current scheme and personnel don't really match up well for that to happen. But, based purely upon Sheards production, his best year was his rookie year at DE.

  • I can't stress this enough - putting Sheard at DE means we have only Mingo and Kruger at OLB.

    Kruger is having a very good year - now he seems to be over his back issue, he almost single-handedly doubled Oaklands sack total for the year. Mingo, on the other hand, isn't enjoying anywhere near the same level of success. Having just the two of them will cause conditioning issues, and Mingo's failures in the run game will cause problems as teams run at him over and again.

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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    I can't stress this enough - putting Sheard at DE means we have only Mingo and Kruger at OLB.

    Kruger is having a very good year - now he seems to be over his back issue, he almost single-handedly doubled Oaklands sack total for the year. Mingo, on the other hand, isn't enjoying anywhere near the same level of success. Having just the two of them will cause conditioning issues, and Mingo's failures in the run game will cause problems as teams run at him over and again.

    @gftchris said:

    I can't stress this enough - putting Sheard at DE means we have only Mingo and Kruger at OLB.

    Kruger is having a very good year - now he seems to be over his back issue, he almost single-handedly doubled Oaklands sack total for the year. Mingo, on the other hand, isn't enjoying anywhere near the same level of success. Having just the two of them will cause conditioning issues, and Mingo's failures in the run game will cause problems as teams run at him over and again.

    Im with you. I get it. We can't put Sheard where he would be best, because he has to cover for Mingo. Just wish we had a good OLB so we could.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    I can't stress this enough - putting Sheard at DE means we have only Mingo and Kruger at OLB.

    Kruger is having a very good year - now he seems to be over his back issue, he almost single-handedly doubled Oaklands sack total for the year. Mingo, on the other hand, isn't enjoying anywhere near the same level of success. Having just the two of them will cause conditioning issues, and Mingo's failures in the run game will cause problems as teams run at him over and again.

    @gftchris said:

    I can't stress this enough - putting Sheard at DE means we have only Mingo and Kruger at OLB.

    Nothing says Kirksey has to stay inside...

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  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    I presume, Gipper, you know that our DE's range from 285-320..? Sheard is 260 tops and by you asking him to move to DE that means sliding inside on passing downs. Which I have no issue with other than he won't hold the interior well of its a run play and Mingo won't hold the edge well either.

    @tiamat63 said:

    I presume, Gipper, you know that our DE's range from 285-320..? Sheard is 260 tops and by you asking him to move to DE that means sliding inside on passing downs. Which I have no issue with other than he won't hold the interior well of its a run play and Mingo won't hold the edge well either.

    Both Sheard and Mingo would be better suited as a DE if we ran base 4-3 not the 3-4. In the 3-4 your ends need to be heavy ends. Sheard maybe but not Mingo.

    !!!!hopefully i'll be alive when it happens!!!!
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    @gftchris said:

    I can't stress this enough - putting Sheard at DE means we have only Mingo and Kruger at OLB.

    Nothing says Kirksey has to stay inside...

    @tour2ma said:

    Nothing says Kirksey has to stay inside...

    Then Robertson and Dansby as the only ILB. I'd rather have 5 DL than 5 LBs in a 3-4.

  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @tour2ma said:

    Nothing says Kirksey has to stay inside...

    Then Robertson and Dansby as the only ILB. I'd rather have 5 DL than 5 LBs in a 3-4.

    @gftchris said:

    Then Robertson and Dansby as the only ILB. I'd rather have 5 DL than 5 LBs in a 3-4.

    And I'd rather be 3-deep at every position... but since we are not...

    Carder can play... Martin is still on the roster... yes?

    And who says the 3-4 I still the way to go?

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    @gftchris said:

    Then Robertson and Dansby as the only ILB. I'd rather have 5 DL than 5 LBs in a 3-4.

    And I'd rather be 3-deep at every position... but since we are not...

    Carder can play... Martin is still on the roster... yes?

    And who says the 3-4 I still the way to go?

    @tour2ma said:

    And I'd rather be 3-deep at every position... but since we are not...

    Carder can play... Martin is still on the roster... yes?

    And who says the 3-4 I still the way to go?

    Carder, sure, Martin, sure. But there's a reason these guys aren't playing when we're only rotating three guys between two positions as it is.

    Nothing to say we can't switch from 3-4, I agree, but the defence is starting to click a little now, so I'd be reluctant to make big schematic changes.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    I presume, Gipper, you know that our DE's range from 285-320..? Sheard is 260 tops and by you asking him to move to DE that means sliding inside on passing downs. Which I have no issue with other than he won't hold the interior well of its a run play and Mingo won't hold the edge well either.

    @tiamat63 said:

    I presume, Gipper, you know that our DE's range from 285-320..? Sheard is 260 tops and by you asking him to move to DE that means sliding inside on passing downs. Which I have no issue with other than he won't hold the interior well of its a run play and Mingo won't hold the edge well either.

    A DE doesn't have to be that big. And why would a DE slide inside. They are called an "end" for a reason. They play on the end, not inside. Yes, I understand that some players are versatile enough to play inside and outside. Sure, if you have JJ Watt or Reggie White you can do that. We don't quite have that kind of versatile player. Besides, as noted before, Fred Dean, Charles Haley....these guys were tall, slim pass rushers. Mingo could do that.

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