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Back on this again are we? OK.
1) There is *literally* no source for this. I've spent half my lunch break searching but can't find anything. I'm not saying it's incorrect, but at the moment it's just a guy posting some numbers on his blog. I'd be a lot happier if I could see where they'd come from.
2) It's the US. Now, I know some Americans think the world consists entirely of America, but believe it or not it's actually quite a small amount of the earth - a shade under 2% of the surface. So when the report talks only about the US, it's a pretty inconsequential number. For example, because of the change in water and air currents, the gulf stream will move southwards, away from the UK, meaning we'll actually get colder.
I get why it's convenient to point at those numbers and keep on pretending like there's no problem, because it's presented in that way (right next to a donation button, I noticed...) and the added commentary, as well as the comments re-enforce that position. But please try to take a wider perspective on things like GLOBAL warming.
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We haven't had one of these talk in a circle sessions in awhile.
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Grab your partners...
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Yet, in ten seconds, I found out where the information for the graph comes from:
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2014/05/09/2014-uss-coldest-year-ever-so-far
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"Steven Goddard provides the compelling data and charts on the lack of U.S. warming on his Real Science website, available here."
Circular Reference Warning; One or more of your references contain a circular reference, please revise.
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U.S. Historical Climatology Network
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And yet I can't seem to find any link to any data presented by the US HCN? Even from the original blog site?
I'm not saying it's not correct, I'm saying you can't just put up the numbers, tell people it's from a place, but give no source material. I'm not even wanting to trawl through the data myself to verify it, just know that it's there.
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That's just a picture, not a link to the US HCN statistics being referenced, which is what I was after.
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then quit being a snide little hater and go look it up.
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Seriously? That article is still referencing the original blog post.
I'm not being a 'hater' - I'm just asking for someone to cite their sources, not particularly outrageous in a case like this.
Snide? Maybe. But not in a malicious way. I expect better from you, and it's quite amusing seeing you failing to actually get any source material.
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Just quit your whining and go check out the links to sources in the article. dang
Here:
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It's nice to see you lib down and around and be all
totally soaked in Egypt.
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Again. That's an article about Arctic sea ice, where the original post was about US average temperatures. There's also no link to that article in the original. I even checked the source code for the website, to be sure.
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Now, just how in the hell can ice in antarctica be EXPANDING all this time,
if the "earth has a fever"
Time to get off the "global warming vote dems" boat. It's sinking.
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Then you go look it up like he did. It's on their giant site somewhere.
Because even if I did take the time, it wouldn't do any good.
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And yet I can't seem to find any link to any data presented by the US HCN? Even from the original blog site?
I'm not saying it's not correct, I'm saying you can't just put up the numbers, tell people it's from a place, but give no source material. I'm not even wanting to trawl through the data myself to verify it, just know that it's there.
And yet I can't seem to find any link to any data presented by the US HCN? Even from the original blog site?
I'm not saying it's not correct, I'm saying you can't just put up the numbers, tell people it's from a place, but give no source material. I'm not even wanting to trawl through the data myself to verify it, just know that it's there.
But remember Chris, we learned in a recent thread that if someone posts data, numbers, etc in a post, it's on the person that disagrees with them to prove it.
Also, was anyone else guessing "Heartland"?
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Now, just how in the hell can ice in antarctica be EXPANDING all this time,
if the "earth has a fever"
Time to get off the "global warming vote dems" boat. It's sinking.
Now, just how in the hell can ice in antarctica be EXPANDING all this time,
if the "earth has a fever"
Time to get off the "global warming vote dems" boat. It's sinking.
I know for a fact we've already gone over this an explained it to you...
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So...we've moved on from the original article?
And well done for posting the same link twice. It's a different matter on polar sea ice, but generally the answer would be ice is moving from north to south pole as expected, and this article is only looking at the surface area of sea ice which again is expected to grow. Chunks of ice break away, break down in to smaller pieces, which then reconnected over a wider surface area.
Think of it like crushing an ice cube. You then put all the bits in your walk in freezer. It refreezes, covering a wider area, but there's less volume.
Anyway, I've got to go now, so hopefully someone else can answer any future questions.
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