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Yes we do Woody.
But, (and I saw this chart on the McLaughlin Group even though I can't find it on the web to post for you so you can believe it or not), if you take African Americans and Hispanics out of the bell curve the United States of America ranks in the top 2 in the world. So there's that.
you are free to believe that or not.
WSS
I'd like to see that. I'm sure it comes more down to removing our poorest citizens with less access to a good education, not so much their race.
Point is, general public opinion shouldn't outweigh the scientific community. But in our govt, it does.
I'd like to see that. I'm sure it comes more down to removing our poorest citizens with less access to a good education, not so much their race.
Point is, general public opinion shouldn't outweigh the scientific community. But in our govt, it does.
I've seen the statistics that Steve's talking about before, but I suspect that yes, it's about removing the uneducated lower classes, the demography of which is skewed to minorities.
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They be lazy.
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p s that was actually number 1 in 3 of the 4 categories and number 2 in the remaining 1.
I don't doubt it at all.
WSS
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Yes we do Woody.
But, (and I saw this chart on the McLaughlin Group even though I can't find it on the web to post for you so you can believe it or not), if you take African Americans and Hispanics out of the bell curve the United States of America ranks in the top 2 in the world. So there's that.
you are free to believe that or not.
WSS
I'd like to see that. I'm sure it comes more down to removing our poorest citizens with less access to a good education, not so much their race.
Point is, general public opinion shouldn't outweigh the scientific community. But in our govt, it does.
I'd like to see that. I'm sure it comes more down to removing our poorest citizens with less access to a good education, not so much their race.
Point is, general public opinion shouldn't outweigh the scientific community. But in our govt, it does.
Well sure. Also keep in mind that the Hispanics are speaking English as a second language so there is a definite problem for them. Not to mention the fact that most come from Mexico with very little education to begin with. The inner cities are a given for poor educational standards. But it is what it is and helps to explain the skewed numbers saying the United States sucks.
WSS
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I'd like to see that. I'm sure it comes more down to removing our poorest citizens with less access to a good education, not so much their race.
Point is, general public opinion shouldn't outweigh the scientific community. But in our govt, it does.
Well sure. Also keep in mind that the Hispanics are speaking English as a second language so there is a definite problem for them. Not to mention the fact that most come from Mexico with very little education to begin with. The inner cities are a given for poor educational standards. But it is what it is and helps to explain the skewed numbers saying the United States sucks.
WSS
Well sure. Also keep in mind that the Hispanics are speaking English as a second language so there is a definite problem for them. Not to mention the fact that most come from Mexico with very little education to begin with. The inner cities are a given for poor educational standards. But it is what it is and helps to explain the skewed numbers saying the United States sucks.
WSS
Well, I'm also in the boat that says that graph I posted also explains why we seem to be behind other countries in some scientific issues.
Second language, poor students with little to no access to good education... But also home school kids who's parents have no idea what they're doing (obviously much smaller number), kids from the suburbs that are just lazy, etc.
Any, getting off topic. Point is that America's general population's opinion on a scientific matter should not outweigh the actual scientific community
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I say it has nothing to do with access to better education. It has to do with a certain demographic of people eschewing education completely.
Teachers at JFK get the same degrees and take the same courses and need to get the same grades as those in Strongsville Norton Manchester Bay Village where the fuck ever. And yes we are getting way off topic. Maybe we will start another thread about that stuff.
WSS
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Yes, libs always change the subject when you disagree with their nonsense.
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I say it has nothing to do with access to better education. It has to do with a certain demographic of people eschewing education completely.
Teachers at JFK get the same degrees and take the same courses and need to get the same grades as those in Strongsville Norton Manchester Bay Village where the fuck ever. And yes we are getting way off topic. Maybe we will start another thread about that stuff.
WSS
I say it has nothing to do with access to better education. It has to do with a certain demographic of people eschewing education completely.
Teachers at JFK get the same degrees and take the same courses and need to get the same grades as those in Strongsville Norton Manchester Bay Village where the fuck ever. And yes we are getting way off topic. Maybe we will start another thread about that stuff.
WSS
It's a joint effort between the students, parents, and teachers. The environment in which they learn matters too. Also, I really doubt inner city public school teachers are as good of teachers as those in wealthier, suburban areas. On average.
But ya, a new thread works.
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IOW's....
the rate of warming is FALLING, even though CO2 is increasing. Go figure.
figure that labelling CO2 as a poison that is causing global warming is a bunch of crap.
Meanwhile, we should be concerned about global cooling:
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Yes, libs always change the subject when you disagree with their nonsense.
Which is exactly what you did when I asked about source material for the OP. You started talking about arctic sea ice, and then hopped on Cysko's butthurt thing.
But let's not let that get in the way of some good ol' fashioned commie-bashing.
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Cal that is not really good data to use to make your point, % US HCN stations would need to include locations and how many where there each year. Here is better slightly better information for your point. This year in the US has been the "Coldest" so far through the end of september in the last 14 years(first chart), but is still above the average 1901-2000. However globally it has been the warmest(2nd chart). http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global
Download:Dates Value Rank Anomaly (55.08°F)
1901-2000 Base Period 200001 - 200009 57.52°F 13 2.44°F 200101 - 200109 56.27°F 9 1.19°F 200201 - 200209 56.62°F 10 1.54°F 200301 - 200309 56.10°F 8 1.02°F 200401 - 200409 55.86°F 3 0.78°F 200501 - 200509 56.73°F 12 1.65°F 200601 - 200609 57.53°F 14 2.45°F 200701 - 200709 56.66°F 11 1.58°F 200801 - 200809 55.31°F 2 0.23°F 200901 - 200909 55.86°F 3 0.78°F 201001 - 201009 56.10°F 7 1.02°F 201101 - 201109 56.00°F 6 0.92°F 201201 - 201209 58.84°F 15 3.76°F 201301 - 201309 55.88°F 5 0.80°F 201401 - 201409 55.25°F 1 0.17°FDownload: Year Anomaly Rank 2000 0.47°C 1 2001 0.54°C 3 2002 0.64°C 13 2003 0.60°C 10 2004 0.56°C 5 2005 0.64°C 13 2006 0.57°C 6 2007 0.62°C 11 2008 0.48°C 2 2009 0.59°C 8 2010 0.67°C 14 2011 0.54°C 3 2012 0.57°C 6 2013 0.60°C 10 2014 0.68°C 15 -
didn't really format to well...oh well
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Nice job, Sad, I don't know the source data. I'm not the author of the story.
I don't diss the author as being a liar, like birdbrain surely does, even though
I'm not reading his posts.
I know he has. It seems to depend on what stretch of years/decades/centures that
these graphs/studies represent.
My entire objection to the global warming crap, is that there are conflicting groups of evidence,
and falsehoods all too often, to warrant voting for dems, or to allow ourselves to be taxed
out the wazoo because of it.
It's stupid. Libs want to whine and get all outraged over "hysteria" .... over this and that.
But they have been doing the hysteria thing over this alleged global warming.
I mean, even if our global temps were climbing higher significantly, it's the man made thing
that makes libs' contentions a farce. Sure, CO2 is rising, that's a fact. But the temps fall, and...
what ? Scientists are dumbfounded by the last nearly 20 years of failure to warm. Some scientists
are now thinking a cooling off.
My whole idea, is that the "man made" was for political gain, accrual of wealth, and control
over peoples' lives.
The "man made" proof is the farce, outside of the destruction of millions and millions of virgin
rainforests.
The man made global warming move was even admitted by that U.N. official I posted about
long ago - without it, there would be no hope of having the money to redistribute to poor countries.
That is why, even the kyoto treaty was such a farce - poor countries didn't have to abide by it.
Why? Of course - it's wealth redistribution that is the goal. Libs don't grasp much common sense.
How freakin stupid is that? But we have lib nitwillies who emotionally buy into it, anyways.
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I will side with the people I know and trust on the subject. They understand it far better than I do and are not prone to bullshitting. One of them is the state climatologist for WV. He firmly believes that man made global warming is legitimate. He has no horse in the race. In fact, he could lose out big time because coal money has a hand in everything here.
I know that is purely anecdotal. I won't sit here and try to argue about it. I don't see either side giving ground. Just throwing my take on it out there.
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My concern has always been the "man made" part, and the frantic
desire to tax every damn thing, for money.
I mean, cows farting?
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Cal, we've gone down this road many times before. Posters here have explained to you aspects you didn't understand or debunked your supposed "facts" against climate change literally dozens of times before. If you choose to ignore the posts, ignore the data, ignore the articles... there's nothing anyone can do. Sadly though, you get the same amount of say as an experienced climatologist. That's not how we should operate when it comes to social scientific issues.
Large corporations with something to lose can pump money into places like the Heartland Institute, make it seem legitimate, make it political, and then get the sheep from one party or another to vote for it. It's pathetic and a major flaw in our govt system.
There isn't conflicting evidence. There is a small number of people being paid to skew data so that it can be interpreted as "conflicting". Example, using just the US, or cherry picking the time line... or, using whatever data they want and not even sourcing it.
You seem to think there is some debate here, there is not. Please don't post your lists of "experts" that think climate change is fake again... we've gone through them all enough times and have pointed out why they aren't "experts". If anything, look at my post from somewhere that described all the steps of a science denier and what their playbook is. You follow that shit to a point.
+1 for "virgin rainforest" reference. That's apparently one of your catchphrases...
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For more helpfulness:
Contiguous U.S., Average Temperature, January-September
Units: Degrees Fahrenheit
Base Period: 1901-2000
Date,Value,Anomaly
200009,57.52,2.44
200109,56.27,1.19
200209,56.62,1.54
200309,56.10,1.02
200409,55.86,0.78
200509,56.73,1.65
200609,57.53,2.45
200709,56.66,1.58
200809,55.31,0.23
200909,55.86,0.78
201009,56.10,1.02
201109,56.00,0.92
201209,58.84,3.76
201309,55.88,0.80
201409,55.25,0.17Global Land and Ocean Temperature Anomalies, January-SeptemberUnits: Degrees CelsiusYear,Value2000 0.472001 0.542002 0.642003 0.602004 0.562005 0.642006 0.572007 0.622008 0.482009 0.592010 0.672011 0.542012 0.572013 0.602014 0.68 -
What those two pieces of information show is a cooling in the contiguous US, but a warming globally over the past 14 years.
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but absolutely nothing about man causing it. I mean, that's my whole problem with
the politics of mmgw. Your numbers are pretty much meaningless, to that point.
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