We blew it on Watkins.
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I know this has been talked about before, but how good would Gilbert have to be playing right now to make up the current difference in output between the two? Even if we'd drafted Mack, like I wanted us to, he's also outplaying Gilbert up to this point. But Watkins on the Browns roster getting balls from Hoyer instead of Manuel....we might be 6-1. ANd who knows even that Tn game with one or two explosive plays from Watkins would have changed that game. Gordon and Watkins would have become a legendary receiving tandem of that I'm almost certain.
Watkins should get an ice bath blanket party from his teammates though this week for that pre goal line crossing TD celebration. Noob stuff out of him for sure....that's a bad job out of the vets if they don't make him pay for that in some way.
ANd who knows even that Tn game with one or two explosive plays from Watkins would have changed that game.
I'm sorry...
What exactly would you change about the greatest come from behind road victory of all time?
Thats it. No way Watkins was worth paying 2 - #1 picks.
That depends on the #1's. Looking more and more like the price was fair... and soon may look cheap.
The OP is right. Don't get me wrong, I want to see Gilbert get better and better each week but Watkins is simply a better player than Gilbert.
Watkins was a Pro ready talent at an easier position... that is what you are seeing.
Throw Watkins into that first Pgh game and what happens?
3 rec for 31 yds? That was his Week 1 line vs. CHI...
Hindsight is always 20/20.
Not around here...
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Sure is some heavy handed complaining for so many unknowns....
Ray Farmer/Haslam/Pettine KNEW Gordon was going to be suspended and they passed on Watkins anyways.
Seems a little arrogant to me.
Sammy Watkins = 38 Receptions, 590 yards, 15.5 AVG, and 5 TD's (with Ej Manuel and Kyle Orton)
Justin Gilbert = 19 Tackles, 4 Passes defended, 0 FF, 0 INT
For a team without a true #1, it was a no brainer to take Sammy Watkins.
The leader receiver on our team is Andrew Hawkins is who is not a true #1 with 36 receptions, 470 yards, 13 AVG, and 1TD
Yes, Buffalo so far has the better end of the deal the same way ATLANTA raped us for Juilio Jones.
Only time will tell but so far Sammy Watkins is a fucking star
Ray Farmer/Haslam/Pettine KNEW Gordon was going to be suspended and they passed on Watkins anyways.
Seems a little arrogant to me.
For a team without a true #1, it was a no brainer to take Sammy Watkins.
If it was such a no brainer then why did you take Manziel in your "Meth Lab Mock" at #4?
4. QB - Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
So, we get our savior. I think he's too talented to pass up. He will require a lot of work to adjust to the pro game but the talent is there. The media will freak out when this pick haps. Everyone will either love it or freak out but either way this will finally bring a lot of ESPN/NFL coverage to Cleveland and give us the star power we need. He's also going to be a star at the next level in my eyes. Johnny Cleveland will be heard for centuries to come. I see Brett Favre attitude/Joe Namath showmanship/Fran Tarkenton type improv talent. He'll play pissed off we upset Pittsburgh week 1.
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Truthfully, our receiving core has filled in nicely since Gordon has been gone but the problem I'm starting to have is with our defensive front 7.
This team needs a DT, DE, OLB, and ILB along with addressing #2 receiver, and o-line depth
Truthfully, our receiving core has filled in nicely since Gordon has been gone but the problem I'm starting to have is with our defensive front 7.
This team needs a DT, DE, OLB, and ILB along with addressing #2 receiver, and o-line depth
FFS... ADD??? Gotta be...
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Ray Farmer/Haslam/Pettine KNEW Gordon was going to be suspended and they passed on Watkins anyways.
Seems a little arrogant to me.
For a team without a true #1, it was a no brainer to take Sammy Watkins.
If it was such a no brainer then why did you take Manziel in your "Meth Lab Mock" at #4?
4. QB - Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M
So, we get our savior. I think he's too talented to pass up. He will require a lot of work to adjust to the pro game but the talent is there. The media will freak out when this pick haps. Everyone will either love it or freak out but either way this will finally bring a lot of ESPN/NFL coverage to Cleveland and give us the star power we need. He's also going to be a star at the next level in my eyes. Johnny Cleveland will be heard for centuries to come. I see Brett Favre attitude/Joe Namath showmanship/Fran Tarkenton type improv talent. He'll play pissed off we upset Pittsburgh week 1.
If it was such a no brainer then why did you take Manziel in your "Meth Lab Mock" at #4?
Because at the time I didn't know Josh Gordon was going to be suspended a day after the draft... NOBODY DID.
In fact, if it would have been reported before the draft that Gordon was facing a year long suspension and we still passed on Watkins
The media firestorm and fans would have thrown The organization to the fire
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If it was such a no brainer then why did you take Manziel in your "Meth Lab Mock" at #4?
Because at the time I didn't know Josh Gordon was going to be suspended a day after the draft... NOBODY DID.
In fact, if it would have been reported before the draft that Gordon was facing a year long suspension and we still passed on Watkins
The media firestorm and fans would have thrown The organization to the fire
Because at the time I didn't know Josh Gordon was going to be suspended a day after the draft... NOBODY DID.
You just said, "Ray Farmer/Haslam/Pettine KNEW Gordon was going to be suspended and they passed on Watkins anyways."
Which is it?
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Because at the time I didn't know Josh Gordon was going to be suspended a day after the draft... NOBODY DID.
You just said, "Ray Farmer/Haslam/Pettine KNEW Gordon was going to be suspended and they passed on Watkins anyways."
Which is it?
You just said, "Ray Farmer/Haslam/Pettine KNEW Gordon was going to be suspended and they passed on Watkins anyways."
Which is it?
Backtracking. I'd say.
Also, has anyone realized that Watkins' games have essentially consisted of being a monster, or being super quiet? It's not like the kid is taking over the NFL in his rookie season.
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Bar very few studs the draft is a crapshoot and the more picks you have at it the better chance you have, Farmer did the right thing.
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So op, since you think he's worth 2 first round picks and Buff made a smart move. Then what would you say if the Browns traded next years pick, plus #4 to move up and grab him.???
You'd like that?
Now, we have Watkins(like Buff) and we have NO pick next year(like Buff) and we have no CB prospect.
Or. If we had Orton and Manuel for our QB's and we traded away the next 2 drafts for a WR(brilliant, right?)
Sheesh. Both of these sound very very bleak.
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Because at the time I didn't know Josh Gordon was going to be suspended a day after the draft... NOBODY DID.
You just said, "Ray Farmer/Haslam/Pettine KNEW Gordon was going to be suspended and they passed on Watkins anyways."
Which is it?
You just said, "Ray Farmer/Haslam/Pettine KNEW Gordon was going to be suspended and they passed on Watkins anyways."
Which is it?
What don't you understand.
I think we should have drafted Watkins at 4 because Gordon was facing a year long suspension.
Nobody knew until A DAY AFTER THE DRAFT GORDON WAS GOING TO GET SUSPENDED EXCEPT HASLAM/FARMER/PETTINE
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So op, since you think he's worth 2 first round picks and Buff made a smart move. Then what would you say if the Browns traded next years pick, plus #4 to move up and grab him.???
You'd like that?
Now, we have Watkins(like Buff) and we have NO pick next year(like Buff) and we have no CB prospect.
Or. If we had Orton and Manuel for our QB's and we traded away the next 2 drafts for a WR(brilliant, right?)
Sheesh. Both of these sound very very bleak.
So op, since you think he's worth 2 first round picks and Buff made a smart move. Then what would you say if the Browns traded next years pick, plus #4 to move up and grab him.???
You'd like that?
Now, we have Watkins(like Buff) and we have NO pick next year(like Buff) and we have no CB prospect.
Or. If we had Orton and Manuel for our QB's and we traded away the next 2 drafts for a WR(brilliant, right?)
Sheesh. Both of these sound very very bleak.
This argument is voided due to the fact Watkins has clearly outperformed Watkins.
Just like I'm sure you loved the Julio Jones/Atlanta trade which they clearly got the better end of.
If you have a chance to draft a STAR PLAYER you don't pass on him for prospects and draft picks.
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Excuse me, I see a dead horse over there. I'm gonna go beat it to death AGAIN!!
The effin draft is OVER! Get it?
What ISN'T over are these young men's careers....In fact, they have just started. Oh, I'm sorry, Hall of Famers earn that in their first year, right? If they're not the greatest ever in year one, they're shit!
What a stupid fuckin' thread! I feel stupid for even READING the drivel.
Mike
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Bar very few studs the draft is a crapshoot and the more picks you have at it the better chance you have, Farmer did the right thing.
very few studs the draft is a crapshoot and the more picks you have at it the better chance you have, Farmer did the right thing.
There were a few blue chip studs in this draft (Clowney, Watkins, Mack, Robinson, Mathews) and we passed on 4 of them.
Trading down is WORTHLESS if you don't get better value for your pick.
If you were to run a poll amongst all 32 fansbases, coaches, players, owners, scouts that said,
"Who would you rather have... Sammy Watkins or a Justin Gilbert and a midround pick in 2015"
As of right now, over 95% would say Watkins
Only time will tell but this is looking like another Atlanta Falcons debacle.
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Watkins, Smatcthtins.....you receiver Homos are funny.
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walter: what something new to bitch about or just the same old shit?
a broken record that spins more than the captain of spin himself.
flip-flopper.
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To the pitiful OP:
Defense wins championships, and a LOT of games depend on it. Watkins plays offense.
Way, way too much whiney-ass "boo hoo the grass might have been greener on the other side
of the fence" garbage.
Dez Bryant was a star wr. Know what he did last night vs Washington? He was targeted seven
times, caught three. One was a 5 yarder for a TD. Big deal.
Sure, he's very good, very, very fast. Meanwhile, Colt McCoy made their secondary look silly several times.
The Cowboys have a fifth and third round cb's as starters. You can bet last night, they could have used
a blue chip cb.
Meanwhile, the Browns know the kind of player they want to draft, and the OP doesn't have a freakin clue.
Meanwhile, also about Watkins? Immaturity. Hurts the team. Players get po'd about it.
I'd take a blue chip cb over Watkins too. They know what they are doing.
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agreed. can we let a guy (farmer) do his job already.
tiresome.
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ANd who knows even that Tn game with one or two explosive plays from Watkins would have changed that game.
I'm sorry...
What exactly would you change about the greatest come from behind road victory of all time?
Thats it. No way Watkins was worth paying 2 - #1 picks.
That depends on the #1's. Looking more and more like the price was fair... and soon may look cheap.
The OP is right. Don't get me wrong, I want to see Gilbert get better and better each week but Watkins is simply a better player than Gilbert.
Watkins was a Pro ready talent at an easier position... that is what you are seeing.
Throw Watkins into that first Pgh game and what happens?
3 rec for 31 yds? That was his Week 1 line vs. CHI...
Hindsight is always 20/20.
Not around here...
I'm sorry...
What exactly would you change about the greatest come from behind road victory of all time?
That depends on the #1's. Looking more and more like the price was fair... and soon may look cheap.
Watkins was a Pro ready talent at an easier position... that is what you are seeing.
3 rec for 31 yds? That was his Week 1 line vs. CHI...
Not around here...
1) Sorry not the Tn game, the first Blt game. Brain fart.
2) You can't take his 1st game stats at Buffalo, with EJ Manuel, and throw them into the mix. I'm fairly confident that his first game with the Browns he would have had a lot more yds and receptions than that. Remember he's their #1. He's gonna see doubles the whole season. WIth a healthy JC Pgh could not have doubled Watkins the whole game.
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You just said, "Ray Farmer/Haslam/Pettine KNEW Gordon was going to be suspended and they passed on Watkins anyways."
Which is it?
Backtracking. I'd say.
Also, has anyone realized that Watkins' games have essentially consisted of being a monster, or being super quiet? It's not like the kid is taking over the NFL in his rookie season.
Easy...EJ Manuel. Put Watkins with a even a moderate QB and he's taking over the NFL. Think of the points we've scored in some of these games without Gordon. Watkins would have completely made up for not having Gordon. I'm not even going to think about what Gordon and Watkins on the same team would do because it starts to irritate .
Backtracking. I'd say.
Also, has anyone realized that Watkins' games have essentially consisted of being a monster, or being super quiet? It's not like the kid is taking over the NFL in his rookie season.
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To the pitiful OP:
Defense wins championships, and a LOT of games depend on it. Watkins plays offense.
Way, way too much whiney-ass "boo hoo the grass might have been greener on the other side
of the fence" garbage.
Dez Bryant was a star wr. Know what he did last night vs Washington? He was targeted seven
times, caught three. One was a 5 yarder for a TD. Big deal.
Sure, he's very good, very, very fast. Meanwhile, Colt McCoy made their secondary look silly several times.
The Cowboys have a fifth and third round cb's as starters. You can bet last night, they could have used
a blue chip cb.
Meanwhile, the Browns know the kind of player they want to draft, and the OP doesn't have a freakin clue.
Meanwhile, also about Watkins? Immaturity. Hurts the team. Players get po'd about it.
I'd take a blue chip cb over Watkins too. They know what they are doing.
To the pitiful OP:
Defense wins championships, and a LOT of games depend on it. Watkins plays offense.
Way, way too much whiney-ass "boo hoo the grass might have been greener on the other side
of the fence" garbage.
Dez Bryant was a star wr. Know what he did last night vs Washington? He was targeted seven
times, caught three. One was a 5 yarder for a TD. Big deal.
Sure, he's very good, very, very fast. Meanwhile, Colt McCoy made their secondary look silly several times.
The Cowboys have a fifth and third round cb's as starters. You can bet last night, they could have used
a blue chip cb.
Meanwhile, the Browns know the kind of player they want to draft, and the OP doesn't have a freakin clue.
Meanwhile, also about Watkins? Immaturity. Hurts the team. Players get po'd about it.
I'd take a blue chip cb over Watkins too. They know what they are doing.
First off let me say this was one of the stupidest and least thought through replies I've ever read on this board, possibly the entire internets. About the only think you got right was the importance of defense. Why you bring up Dez Bryant and Colt McCoy I have no idea, maybe you're drunk. The "fact" is that Justin Gilbert has been less than avg and Sammy Watkins is an immediate impact star player. I too think defense should take precedence "up to a point". My two guys were Watkins and Mack....BOTH are playing better than Gilbert. Mack may win defensive rookie of the year if Clowney doesn't do much when he returns. Given that we knew Gordon was going to go down for at least half the season, I begrudgingly acknowledged that while I still loved Mack..Watkins made the most sense. If the Browns had any hint whatsoever about the severity of the Gordon punishment...which it came out later they may have....skipping Watkins is that much more indefensible. Yes Wakins is immature...is he Josh Gordon immature though? You don't seem to be wanting the Browns to trade Gordon do you? I'll take a superstar who gets caught having his Madden moment and learns from it over a guy who's broken the NFL substance abuse policy more times than a lot of people here can count to. You think Buffalo players are as "po'd" over him getting caught as Browns players must have been over Gordon getting his 3rd strike and then getting a DUI while on said 3rd strike?
Idiot post. Seriously. Dez Bryant had an off night....yeah he's terrible fuck him. Idiot.
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