We blew it on Watkins.
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I can't profess to having followed the bills intimately..i haven't. But from evertything I've read and heard from some friends who have...Watkins has been great the whole year. Not just the Jets game. So you want a WR next year with the #1? Even if Gordon comes back and the others guys play better cause he draws most of the attention? Is there even a Watkins like player out there this year?
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Na I think Kelvin Benjamin is better. Thats who we missed on not Watkins. Give me the extra 1st rounder and CB of my choice anyday.
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I was one of the guys that wanted Watkins at 4. However after they traded down I was good with the Gilbert pick. Personally I was more worried about who our QB was going to be. I wanted Hoyer to play and play well but I saw what happened last year after he got hurt. To me that was far more disturbing than being without Josh Gordon. I was surprised not to get Marquis Lee or Alan Robinson but just the same I liked the Bitonio pick (see comment about quarterback). I say the verdict is still out on Kirksey so all and all while the draft wasn't what I expected each pick made sense that was something we haven't seen in forever.
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I'll concede that nobody expected that pick next year to be a low pick. But it looks like it might be. If we get a mid 1st round pick for it, still not sure. Watkins is that good. It's not just Watkins though, it's Gordon and Watkins. And also think about this. If Gordon comes back and play well, but we still feel he ain't learned his lesson.....we might be able to trade Gordon for a very high 1st rounder. If he plays like he did last year. We obviously can't do that now but if we had Watkins on the team? Maybe we could have. I still think given that we "knew" Gordon was gonna be out for most if not the whole year....passing on Watkins was a blunder. And looking like a bigger one every week. Hoyer would be sodomizing defense's with Watkins on this team. And now JC's out. Everything points to the fact we should have stuck with our pick. Both players on the talent board we passed on, Mack and Watkins, are outplaying GIlbert by a wide margin. And Mack is on that awful Raiders team. I still think we would have solved our long term ILB issue with having Mack learn under Dansby. Hell Dansby might be playing better if he had Mack eating up some blocks for him.
I'll concede that nobody expected that pick next year to be a low pick. But it looks like it might be. If we get a mid 1st round pick for it, still not sure. Watkins is that good. It's not just Watkins though, it's Gordon and Watkins. And also think about this. If Gordon comes back and play well, but we still feel he ain't learned his lesson.....we might be able to trade Gordon for a very high 1st rounder. If he plays like he did last year. We obviously can't do that now but if we had Watkins on the team? Maybe we could have. I still think given that we "knew" Gordon was gonna be out for most if not the whole year....passing on Watkins was a blunder. And looking like a bigger one every week. Hoyer would be sodomizing defense's with Watkins on this team. And now JC's out. Everything points to the fact we should have stuck with our pick. Both players on the talent board we passed on, Mack and Watkins, are outplaying GIlbert by a wide margin. And Mack is on that awful Raiders team. I still think we would have solved our long term ILB issue with having Mack learn under Dansby. Hell Dansby might be playing better if he had Mack eating up some blocks for him.
FWIW, I was #1 on the Watkins Wagon pre-draft. We didn't draft him- so stop crying in you beer that we didn't. We don't know how good Gilbert might eventually be- he's shown improvement. If he turns into a top CB, it's a wash. Shit, some idiots around here were calling Joe Haden a bum a few weeks ago, because he was slow to adapt to the new holding and PI enforcement- so how did Joe look against the Raiders? Sort of Pro Bowl again, huh?
That #1 pick is the Wild Card- and we can't evaluate the trade until we find out what it is. And ooh, ahh, Watkins looks so great with Orton and a nobody- well, guess what? The Bills don't have a first round pick next year- so bye-bye to getting a Mairotta or Winston. Har, har, they can trade Watkins and maybe a couple future #1s to get one of them.
Miracles occasionally happen- so maybe they'll pull a Joe Montana out of their ass in the second or third round.George C said:
Collecting stars is what the draft is about, not collecting first round picks. Buffalo absolutely STOLE Sammy Watkins, and the price was cheap. He will push them out of their hole, and God help us if they cash in on a real QB and win a SB with Sammy. Orton is looking like Joe Montana with Watkins shining.
Farmer out thought himself, and he cost us a superstar and we have GilBURNT.
Just look at how many early first round busts the Browns chose over the past few years, and now we get cute and draft Gilbert instead. He is far far away from Sammy Watkins quality.
When you have the sure thing, you take him..
And again, another he's got to be a stud from day one, or he's a bust post. Just give it a rest until the end of the year, at least. Like you think Farmer didn't know what he was passing on with Watkins? Really? The same guy who found a stud OL in Bitonio, West in the third round, and Crowell & Gabriel as UFAs?
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And Kwaun Williams, whose been playing better than Gilbert at points in the year
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unlike other FO/HC pairings i felt good about farmer and pettine from the start.
the nod so far goes to farmer, so i'd like to see what he can do next year to hopefully build this team into a playoff contender...year after year.
the coaching staff on the other hand has me bewildered at this point. not that i'm getting negative on them, just wondering and hoping that what they have in mind with their schemes work out in the end.
i mean we basically had the same squad last year on D (albeit swapping a player here and there through FA and the draft) but they have either not been able to adapt to the new system or they (players) just weren't made for the positions that pettine and o'neill insist they play in.
unleash the kraken.
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Excuse me, I see a dead horse over there. I'm gonna go beat it to death AGAIN!!
The effin draft is OVER! Get it?
What ISN'T over are these young men's careers....In fact, they have just started. Oh, I'm sorry, Hall of Famers earn that in their first year, right? If they're not the greatest ever in year one, they're shit!
What a stupid fuckin' thread! I feel stupid for even READING the drivel.
Mike
Excuse me, I see a dead horse over there. I'm gonna go beat it to death AGAIN!!
The effin draft is OVER! Get it?
What ISN'T over are these young men's careers....In fact, they have just started. Oh, I'm sorry, Hall of Famers earn that in their first year, right? If they're not the greatest ever in year one, they're shit!
What a stupid fuckin' thread! I feel stupid for even READING the drivel.
Mike
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First off let me say this was one of the stupidest and least thought through replies I've ever read on this board, possibly the entire internets. About the only think you got right was the importance of defense. Why you bring up Dez Bryant and Colt McCoy I have no idea, maybe you're drunk. The "fact" is that Justin Gilbert has been less than avg and Sammy Watkins is an immediate impact star player. I too think defense should take precedence "up to a point". My two guys were Watkins and Mack....BOTH are playing better than Gilbert. Mack may win defensive rookie of the year if Clowney doesn't do much when he returns. Given that we knew Gordon was going to go down for at least half the season, I begrudgingly acknowledged that while I still loved Mack..Watkins made the most sense. If the Browns had any hint whatsoever about the severity of the Gordon punishment...which it came out later they may have....skipping Watkins is that much more indefensible. Yes Wakins is immature...is he Josh Gordon immature though? You don't seem to be wanting the Browns to trade Gordon do you? I'll take a superstar who gets caught having his Madden moment and learns from it over a guy who's broken the NFL substance abuse policy more times than a lot of people here can count to. You think Buffalo players are as "po'd" over him getting caught as Browns players must have been over Gordon getting his 3rd strike and then getting a DUI while on said 3rd strike?
Idiot post. Seriously. Dez Bryant had an off night....yeah he's terrible fuck him. Idiot.
Gee, too bad we don't have 10 first round picks, we could have had all of them.
And Kwaun Williams, whose been playing better than Gilbert at points in the year
Thanks for making my point yet again- even if Gilbert totally busts (and I think that's unlikely) Williams- Crowell- Gabriel. That's where GMs turn a crap team into a playoff contender- pulling gems off of the scrap heap. Manziel playing with house money. Tayshawn Gibson= first round draft status.
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Give one example of a "stud" receiver coming in an improving a team's w/l record.
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Give one example of a "stud" receiver coming in an improving a team's w/l record.
Give one example of a "stud" receiver coming in an improving a team's w/l record.
^^^^Exactly^^^^. Ask Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, AJ Green, Dez Bryant & Calvin Johnsons teams how many super bowls they've won after getting their great receivers.
Thats the 6 biggest superstar WRs in the last 2 DECADES, who played on 16 different teams, over the last 19 years and they all combined for exactly ZERO Super Bowl victories.
FTM. Ask the Browns how many games they won after Josh Gordon EXPLODED and was getting 200 yards a game? Oh, none? Oh yeah, I forgot.
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I don't understand why it's so hard to realize that this statement can't be made until we draft next year with the Bills pick. Yes, as of today Watkins looks to be a star in the making. BUT, Gilbert is getting 10x better every week out there and CB is, IMO, the hardest position in the NFL to grow into. So let's assume Gilbert plays up to a top 10 corner level and we get another play-maker (offense, defense doesn't matter) with the Bills pick. Would you rather have two great players or one elite guy? Debatable I suppose to an extent but a team of great players is something I'd rather have than one guy who is awesome (see Gordon last year).
This whole thread is nothing but looking at stuff short term, which is what most fans here do.
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A lot of players we could have taken but didn't. Don't mean shit now.
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Jesus, CBS are more important than WRs in this league today.
Its a passing league. But we decided to take the first step to DEFENDING the pass. Which is more important.
We drafted Gilbert because of his measurables. Kwaun was small, didnt get drafted cuz he came from a smaller school but he, like Gabriel, were found cuz Ray Farmer is a boss.
Your not helping anything at all by continuing this argument. Farmer is a boss.
Our offense has been the high point of the year so far. Through the first 4 games we had one of the most consistent high scoring Os in the league. We made lemonade out of lemons and didnt need Watkins. What we needed was a running game.
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Whine, Whine, Whine
We could have taking Kelvin Benjamin (Taken at 28, with 5 TD catches himself) instead of your boy Johnny Clipboard with the Indy pick too Walter.
Oh wait, I forget, do you not like Johnny Football now? Or are you back on his knob? We all had to sort through all the posts you made about him around draft day, then sort through the hate posts about him and we should have drafted someone else, after you wanted to take him with the 4th pick. Oh wait, Walter didn't even make THIS thread.... It's hard to keep up with the flip flopping whine asses around here.
So if Gilbert starts and plays lights out the rest of the year is the OP going to start a post about how awesome he is and what a genius move the trade was and act like this thread never existed?
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Studded out secondary vs studded our Wrs?
Secondary gets you to the Super Bowl. Wrs sell tickets
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Studded out secondary vs studded our Wrs?
Secondary gets you to the Super Bowl. Wrs sell tickets Typical*****************************Nailed it. -
Give one example of a "stud" receiver coming in an improving a team's w/l record.
^^^^Exactly^^^^. Ask Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, AJ Green, Dez Bryant & Calvin Johnsons teams how many super bowls they've won after getting their great receivers.
Thats the 6 biggest superstar WRs in the last 2 DECADES, who played on 16 different teams, over the last 19 years and they all combined for exactly ZERO Super Bowl victories.
FTM. Ask the Browns how many games they won after Josh Gordon EXPLODED and was getting 200 yards a game? Oh, none? Oh yeah, I forgot.
^^^^Exactly^^^^. Ask Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, AJ Green, Dez Bryant & Calvin Johnsons teams how many super bowls they've won after getting their great receivers.
Thats the 6 biggest superstar WRs in the last 2 DECADES, who played on 16 different teams, over the last 19 years and they all combined for exactly ZERO Super Bowl victories.
FTM. Ask the Browns how many games they won after Josh Gordon EXPLODED and was getting 200 yards a game? Oh, none? Oh yeah, I forgot.
^ This.
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I have a good feeling about Gilbert... He and Haden are going to be really good together...
Watkins...? eh... When Gordon gets back, we'll remember why we didn't need to waste such an early pick on a WR...
Plus, sitting at 4-3 with a team playing hard and pulling out wins... it's kinda nice knowing next year we get to add 2 1st rounders to this squad...
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George C said:
Trouble is that we don't have a studded out secondary, and we don't have a studded out receiving corp either.. Gilbert is hardly stud material. It would have been better to have had Watkins, who is going to be a super star.This guy is a bomb, ready to go off every time he has the ball.
So throwing in the towel for Gilbert in week 9, and might as well fire farmer.
We can't go back in time for Watkins, and its too early to tell who got the better end of the bargain.
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Bills fan here. Watkins was more then worth it. He is the best reciever we have had since Andre Reed. I don't think we are seeing even half of what he's capable of doing (which is scary) A few reasons for that are 1. Our head coach is a conservative run the ball on first and second down every freakin time, Marrone still thinks it's 1985. 2. He got off to a slow start because he was hurt and EJ Manuel is the worst QB in NFL history. Yes, NFL history. When the Bills made that pick for Manuel I put my fist through a wall. He was terrible in college with the best talent in the country. I mean my God look what happens when you give Florida State a FRESHMEN QB who is half way accurate, They have not lost a game since. And I love the saying that the Bills gave up 2 number #1's lol. I just find that laughable. In reality we gave up one #1 in 2015. We switched picks and got your higher #1 pick in 2014. So saying we gave up our #1 pick in 2014 is ridiculous in my opinion. Anyways you guys are lucky our offesive line sucks and our coach still thinks it's 1985 or else we would win 12 games this year. But we have already blown a few we should of won so you will probably get a mid round pick at the worst in the 20's and then you will waste it on some horrible CB LOL. I kid, I kid. Point being I would make that trade again in a heart beat for Watkins, he's a Star and if you guys had him with your other star WR who will be returning soon, you would probably be unstoppable.
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Give one example of a "stud" receiver coming in an improving a team's w/l record.
Give one example of a "stud" receiver coming in an improving a team's w/l record.
Sammy watkins. He has outright won the Bills 2 games this year ( Det, Minn) They would be 3-5 without him.
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