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so what's wrong with the education system?

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  • Westside Steve W Dedicated Reacting Well Posting Machine Collaborator First Post Conversation Starter Week One Done One Year In One Month Later Very Popular
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    W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by Westside Steve
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    Sad yes that article is interesting enough yet I don't think it has much to do with our educational system but a great deal to do with what passes for culture.

    Chris I think Charles Barkley is correct. And Woody, nobody is saying now nor have they ever said, as far as I know, that these traits are inherent because of genetics or DNA of black people. Black people do adopt these irresponsible mannerisms (as Cal says) but anyone of any race is able to do that. And anyone from any race has the capacity to succeed.

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      DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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      "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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        Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by
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        If the student doesn't have a strong family support system, they're doomed.

        The baby is born- you have to put the kid on your lap and read to he/she, so they appreciate books and learning. It sounds so simple, yet this is unfortunately ignored (and probably has been in some households going back a long long time) in both the inner city and suburbia.

        I'm no Einstein, but I did go to Cleveland Public Schools exclusively (graduated in 1981). We moved to Berea (suburb of Cleveland for you out-of-towners) and I saw some suburban kids struggle when I helped out in the reading labs at my boys' elementary school.

        I don't like excuses, but I do think that some people are either too busy, too self-absorbed, or maybe just not aware that they need to read to their kids. There is too much reliance on pre-school, and school to educate their children. Maybe my theory is too simple, but that's my 2 cents.

        I figured my kids needed to learn how to read, be respectful, and if I sent them to the store to buy bread & milk for instance, they would not get ripped off by a cashier. Oh, and they needed to love the Browns, Indians, Cavs, & Ohio State lol.

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          LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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          Barkley hit it on the head. My wife and her sister got 8 kinds of hell growing up because they were honors students and their parents were "rich" (dad was a teacher, mom was an RN). They were middle class but to morons that is rich.

          My wife told those people to fuck off and surrounded herself with intelligent, like-minded people. Her sister stayed an honors student but kept trying to cater to idiots. She has an MBA but her life is in constant crisis even at age 37 because she chooses to hang out with thugs and hood rats who leech her dry.

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            W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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            Logic does it seem to you that in biracial relationships a black woman and a white man are usually higher up the social ladder than vice versa? Not always of course but in general.

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            • W Westside Steve

              Sad yes that article is interesting enough yet I don't think it has much to do with our educational system but a great deal to do with what passes for culture.

              Chris I think Charles Barkley is correct. And Woody, nobody is saying now nor have they ever said, as far as I know, that these traits are inherent because of genetics or DNA of black people. Black people do adopt these irresponsible mannerisms (as Cal says) but anyone of any race is able to do that. And anyone from any race has the capacity to succeed.

              WSS

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              @westside-steve said:

              Sad yes that article is interesting enough yet I don't think it has much to do with our educational system but a great deal to do with what passes for culture.

              Chris I think Charles Barkley is correct. And Woody, nobody is saying now nor have they ever said, as far as I know, that these traits are inherent because of genetics or DNA of black people. Black people do adopt these irresponsible mannerisms (as Cal says) but anyone of any race is able to do that. And anyone from any race has the capacity to succeed.

              WSS

              It does a bit, sepcially this part here:

              "But, of course, it's not just a matter of dollars and cents. It's also a matter of letters and words. Affluent parents talk to their kids three more hours a week on average than poor parents, which is critical during a child's formative early years. That's why, as Stanford professor Sean Reardon explains, "rich students are increasingly entering kindergarten much better prepared to succeed in school than middle-class students," and they're staying that way."

              Education starts at home.

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                W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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                Yes.

                And that's not the arena of the educational system. That's the responsibility of family. That is adhering to something other than a culture of victimization, welfare and rebellion.

                A child with those values present at home will probably do well in an inner city Apalachin or wallpaper suburban school.

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                  Logic does it seem to you that in biracial relationships a black woman and a white man are usually higher up the social ladder than vice versa? Not always of course but in general.

                  WSS

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                  LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                  @westside-steve said:

                  Logic does it seem to you that in biracial relationships a black woman and a white man are usually higher up the social ladder than vice versa? Not always of course but in general.

                  WSS

                  My life experiences say pretty much yeah. There could be some big collection of data that I don't know about. But in my day to day life, I would say yeah.

                  I know I saw statistics recently that said black women are graduating from universities and joining the work force at a much higher rate than black males. White males traditionally are high in both of those categories so I could definitely see why there would be a higher propensity for black woman/white male relationships to be higher up the social ladder.

                  Found an article linking to said stats:

                  http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/04/03/3422550/black-women-education-work/

                  “Though all women lead their male counterparts in college enrollment and degree attainment,” the report says, “Black women do so at higher rates than any other group of women in America.” In 2010, they were 66 percent of all blacks who finished a Bachelor’s Degree, 71 percent with a Master’s, and 65 percent with a Doctorate."

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                    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by LogicIsForSquares
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                    I can only guess that single parent homes in the black community are predominantly ran by the mother. For a daughter, they would represent a strong female figure. Males don't have a dad around and so they end up looking to male father figures in the community who could be Jamal the local drug dealer. I could also just be completely out of my lane on this. I am not a sociologist.

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                      gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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                      So...the smarter black women want to get away from the slums/ghettos and end up with white guys (or asian, hispanic whatever), and we're left with a load of single black male gangster types? Then, presumably, they have less chance to reproduce and their numbers (in relative terms at least) will dwindle?

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                        So...the smarter black women want to get away from the slums/ghettos and end up with white guys (or asian, hispanic whatever), and we're left with a load of single black male gangster types? Then, presumably, they have less chance to reproduce and their numbers (in relative terms at least) will dwindle?

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                        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                        @gftchris said:

                        So...the smarter black women want to get away from the slums/ghettos and end up with white guys (or asian, hispanic whatever), and we're left with a load of single black male gangster types? Then, presumably, they have less chance to reproduce and their numbers (in relative terms at least) will dwindle?

                        Wishful thinking but the dumb black women that stick around in awful neighborhoods make up for being dumb by producing as many children as they can with said black male gangster types.

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