We blew it on Watkins.
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Bills fan here. Watkins was more then worth it. He is the best reciever we have had since Andre Reed. I don't think we are seeing even half of what he's capable of doing (which is scary) A few reasons for that are 1. Our head coach is a conservative run the ball on first and second down every freakin time, Marrone still thinks it's 1985. 2. He got off to a slow start because he was hurt and EJ Manuel is the worst QB in NFL history. Yes, NFL history. When the Bills made that pick for Manuel I put my fist through a wall. He was terrible in college with the best talent in the country. I mean my God look what happens when you give Florida State a FRESHMEN QB who is half way accurate, They have not lost a game since. And I love the saying that the Bills gave up 2 number #1's lol. I just find that laughable. In reality we gave up one #1 in 2015. We switched picks and got your higher #1 pick in 2014. So saying we gave up our #1 pick in 2014 is ridiculous in my opinion. Anyways you guys are lucky our offesive line sucks and our coach still thinks it's 1985 or else we would win 12 games this year. But we have already blown a few we should of won so you will probably get a mid round pick at the worst in the 20's and then you will waste it on some horrible CB LOL. I kid, I kid. Point being I would make that trade again in a heart beat for Watkins, he's a Star and if you guys had him with your other star WR who will be returning soon, you would probably be unstoppable.
You're fucking Retarded.
You traded your 2014 #1 and your 2015 #1 for our 2014 #1 (You took Watkins).
It's actually just a fact, not some kind of fancy words you can't wrap your head around.
Zombo
Zombo said:
You're fucking Retarded.
You traded your 2014 #1 and your 2015 #1 for our 2014 #1 (You took Watkins).
It's actually just a fact, not some kind of fancy words you can't wrap your head around.
Zombo
Complete idiot!!! Yes we did trade that. You forget to mention we traded our 2014 for YOURS!!!!!! Which was higher!!!!!!!! It's swapping picks we just didnt hand over two picks. U didnt get two first! U got one! We got your first in 2014 moron! That's swapping. And we got a star and u got a half way decent corner. enjoy it.
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George C said:
We have 2 first rounders next year, what are we bragging about? Another Mingo? Edwards? Weeded? Richardson?
I would trade that whole group and another first to get Sammy back..
This is what I'm saying...
If Gilbert ends up being average and so does next years pick, then we have screwed it up.
Sammy Watkins is a top 10 elite receiver right now in the NFL.
I'll take ONE Sammy Watkins, JJ Watt, or Kahlil Mack type player over a package of Weeden, Richardon, Mingo, Taylor...
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What pisses me off about passing on Watkins is that Pettine/Farmer/Haslam kept it in the dark UNTIL AFTER DRAFT DAY that Gordon would be gone for the year.
IF WE KNEW GORDON WAS GOING TO BE SUSPENDED FOR THE YEAR LIKE THE FRONT OFFICE KNEW AND PASSED ON WATKINS.
THE PITCHFORKS WOULD BE AIMED TOWARDS THE FRONT OFFICE
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George C said:
We have 2 first rounders next year, what are we bragging about? Another Mingo? Edwards? Weeded? Richardson?
I would trade that whole group and another first to get Sammy back..
This is what I'm saying...
If Gilbert ends up being average and so does next years pick, then we have screwed it up.
Sammy Watkins is a top 10 elite receiver right now in the NFL.
I'll take ONE Sammy Watkins, JJ Watt, or Kahlil Mack type player over a package of Weeden, Richardon, Mingo, Taylor...
This is what I'm saying...
If Gilbert ends up being average and so does next years pick, then we have screwed it up.
Sammy Watkins is a top 10 elite receiver right now in the NFL.
I'll take ONE Sammy Watkins, JJ Watt, or Kahlil Mack type player over a package of Weeden, Richardon, Mingo, Taylor...
Exactly. I rip on the Bills a lot and there my team, in this case finally for once they got it right. Watkins is sick, Totally worth it.
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George C said:
What you are missing is that early first round picks for the Browns usually turns out to be a bust, and not a super star.
Just look at our last 6 drafts to get where I'm coming from. When a can't miss guy like Watkins comes along, your odds are now at least 50-50 that he will pan out.
We have 2 first rounders next year, what are we bragging about? Another Mingo? Edwards? Weeded? Richardson?
I would trade that whole group and another first to get Sammy back..
U have terrible scouts then Watkins was a cant miss your gonna regret it
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What pisses me off about passing on Watkins is that Pettine/Farmer/Haslam kept it in the dark UNTIL AFTER DRAFT DAY that Gordon would be gone for the year.
IF WE KNEW GORDON WAS GOING TO BE SUSPENDED FOR THE YEAR LIKE THE FRONT OFFICE KNEW AND PASSED ON WATKINS.
THE PITCHFORKS WOULD BE AIMED TOWARDS THE FRONT OFFICE
What pisses me off about passing on Watkins is that Pettine/Farmer/Haslam kept it in the dark UNTIL AFTER DRAFT DAY that Gordon would be gone for the year.
IF WE KNEW GORDON WAS GOING TO BE SUSPENDED FOR THE YEAR LIKE THE FRONT OFFICE KNEW AND PASSED ON WATKINS.
THE PITCHFORKS WOULD BE AIMED TOWARDS THE FRONT OFFICE
u would be playing in the super bowl.Gordan and Watkins? Good Lord unstoppable the Browns are dumb a fuck.
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Dont worry Browns fans my team is just as dumb lol. Have fun
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Omar, you sound like a complete troll and horribly bored.
While I personally regret passing on Watkins due to Gordon's suspension, you guys have no shot at making a title run with Kyle Orton and have no pick next year. It will be 2016-2017 until you find a real QB and that could take years to develop him.
Sammy Watkins is good but without a real QB in Buffalo, it's going to be a whole lot of ooh's and aah's for nothing
Now make like Kiki Alonso and tear an ACL and get the fuck outta here
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Dont worry Browns fans my team is just as dumb lol. Have fun
You drafted EJ Manuel in the 1st round.
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Dont worry Browns fans my team is just as dumb lol. Have fun
You drafted EJ Manuel in the 1st round.
Your man love for Orton will disappoint you at some point.
You lost all credibility when you said Watkins would bring us a super bowl.
We'll see in buffalo when Gordon shreds your secondary for 200, 3 TDs.
...Gilbert will be fine too. Come back after KCs defense stuffs you in the face on your home turf.
Lol. That says enough...You drafted EJ Manuel in the 1st round.
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Zombo said:
You're fucking Retarded.
You traded your 2014 #1 and your 2015 #1 for our 2014 #1 (You took Watkins).
It's actually just a fact, not some kind of fancy words you can't wrap your head around.
Zombo
Complete idiot!!! Yes we did trade that. You forget to mention we traded our 2014 for YOURS!!!!!! Which was higher!!!!!!!! It's swapping picks we just didnt hand over two picks. U didnt get two first! U got one! We got your first in 2014 moron! That's swapping. And we got a star and u got a half way decent corner. enjoy it.
Complete idiot!!! Yes we did trade that. You forget to mention we traded our 2014 for YOURS!!!!!! Which was higher!!!!!!!! It's swapping picks we just didnt hand over two picks. U didnt get two first! U got one! We got your first in 2014 moron! That's swapping. And we got a star and u got a half way decent corner. enjoy it.
You traded two #1 draft picks for the pick with which you took Watkins.
Z
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Rookie CBs take time to develop. Slower than rookie WRs. Its simply too soon to make these statements.
I forget exactly WHO said this, but I work for Sports media/ specifically a board operator for radio shows on sports, im virtually around analysts and football talk all the time, this past year I learned much more about the game then I ever have, specifically the NFL landscape, one thing I can tell you with utmost certainty.
In the NFL, wide receivers are the least capable of all positions to make an impact during a game, of course they are beneficial and make plays, but the variations of throws and playcalling makes the WR position the hardest aspect to develop the most sustained success in a season.
The Browns did not need a catalyst to depend on, they needed a running game. They also needed a press coverage corner, something hard to do in the NFL. The scheme called for a CB to help us sustain the most consistent success with our D.
Some would say, to pick a Rb, WR type in the first round at all is a wasted pick, due to the number of receivers that are available in the first place, along with the limited base role a receiver provides in the first place.
Perhaps Watkins has better physical attributes than other prospects, but he still wasnt a need for the Browns. CB made more Sense just from logic and last years weak play from the secondary.
Gordon had 740 yds in 3 games, didnt help the Browns, they got beat over the top, in their SECONDARY most games, and lost.
The NFL is all about that ideal, sustained consistent success (the Browns are hopefully going to keep this staff for a long time)
You saying it was wrong to NOT pick him is just an opinion. We got compensation for next year as well as only moving a few spots down. It was not a huge blow at all.
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What pisses me off about passing on Watkins is that Pettine/Farmer/Haslam kept it in the dark UNTIL AFTER DRAFT DAY that Gordon would be gone for the year.
IF WE KNEW GORDON WAS GOING TO BE SUSPENDED FOR THE YEAR LIKE THE FRONT OFFICE KNEW AND PASSED ON WATKINS.
THE PITCHFORKS WOULD BE AIMED TOWARDS THE FRONT OFFICE
u would be playing in the super bowl.Gordan and Watkins? Good Lord unstoppable the Browns are dumb a fuck.
u would be playing in the super bowl.Gordan and Watkins? Good Lord unstoppable the Browns are dumb a fuck.
You're the dumbest fucking person I have ever come across in my life.
You have had 5 months to figure out that the Bills traded two first round picks for the pick they took Watkins with ... and you still can't get it.
Please tell me you are still in middle school and there is something wrong with you.
Z
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"omar comin" explains it all.
surprised he's not from baltiwhore.
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Bills fan here. Watkins was more then worth it. He is the best reciever we have had since Andre Reed. I don't think we are seeing even half of what he's capable of doing (which is scary) A few reasons for that are 1. Our head coach is a conservative run the ball on first and second down every freakin time, Marrone still thinks it's 1985. 2. He got off to a slow start because he was hurt and EJ Manuel is the worst QB in NFL history. Yes, NFL history. When the Bills made that pick for Manuel I put my fist through a wall. He was terrible in college with the best talent in the country. I mean my God look what happens when you give Florida State a FRESHMEN QB who is half way accurate, They have not lost a game since. And I love the saying that the Bills gave up 2 number #1's lol. I just find that laughable. In reality we gave up one #1 in 2015. We switched picks and got your higher #1 pick in 2014. So saying we gave up our #1 pick in 2014 is ridiculous in my opinion. Anyways you guys are lucky our offesive line sucks and our coach still thinks it's 1985 or else we would win 12 games this year. But we have already blown a few we should of won so you will probably get a mid round pick at the worst in the 20's and then you will waste it on some horrible CB LOL. I kid, I kid. Point being I would make that trade again in a heart beat for Watkins, he's a Star and if you guys had him with your other star WR who will be returning soon, you would probably be unstoppable.
And I love the saying that the Bills gave up 2 number #1's lol. I just find that laughable. In reality we gave up one #1 in 2015. We switched picks and got your higher #1 pick in 2014. So saying we gave up our #1 pick in 2014 is ridiculous in my opinion.
Einstein. To draft Watkins....
You gave your 1st pick in 2015 to the Browns(thats one)
AND
You gave your 1st pick in 2014 to the NFL (thats two)
Doh. Is it really THAT hard to count to 2?
Cause I dont think ANY TEAM has EVER given 2 picks for a WR???? Green, Bryant, Johnson, Gordon, Owens, Moss, Fitzgerald, Rice, Swann, Largent, Sharpe, etc ALL cost one pick. Not 2.
So the same brilliant guys that drafted Manuel in the first, also paid double for a WR that touches the ball about 5-8 times a game.
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George C said:
1or 2 or 3. Does it matter?
I think those brilliant guys have a better record than us, so I wouldn't Pound our chests too hard.
They also have a super star in the making, and we have GilBURNT and a draft pick that may not turn out.
wow. where did you come from?
really?
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George C said:
Do we care to revisit our drafting record?
Really?
We've blown our share of firsts, seconds and thirds, and we're going to pretend we won that trade?
I'm pissed because we've passed up a lot of stars, and draft picks don't mean shit to me unless they produce. Enough clunkers n our past should tell us to take the stars instead of the potential Mingos..
What's this "we" shit?
Pretty sure that was Farmer's first draft.
Pretty sure rookie corners always struggle for a period.
Pretty sure every All Pro corner in the league struggled in their first 5+ games.
Not so sure you're a Browns fan.
Z
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What pisses me off about passing on Watkins is that Pettine/Farmer/Haslam kept it in the dark UNTIL AFTER DRAFT DAY that Gordon would be gone for the year.
IF WE KNEW GORDON WAS GOING TO BE SUSPENDED FOR THE YEAR LIKE THE FRONT OFFICE KNEW AND PASSED ON WATKINS.
THE PITCHFORKS WOULD BE AIMED TOWARDS THE FRONT OFFICE
What pisses me off about passing on Watkins is that Pettine/Farmer/Haslam kept it in the dark UNTIL AFTER DRAFT DAY that Gordon would be gone for the year.
IF WE KNEW GORDON WAS GOING TO BE SUSPENDED FOR THE YEAR LIKE THE FRONT OFFICE KNEW AND PASSED ON WATKINS.
THE PITCHFORKS WOULD BE AIMED TOWARDS THE FRONT OFFICE
This exact sentiment right here is why I made this thread. WHen we passed on Watkins I didn't even think twice about the notion that the NFL had already secretly told the FO that Gordon would not go down for the whole year and only just be a couple games. I thought no effing way they pass on Watkins if they didn't have some kind of early warning about the nature of Gordons suspension. WHen the year thing came down on Gordon I was dumbfounded. Utterly dumbfounded.
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What pisses me off about passing on Watkins is that Pettine/Farmer/Haslam kept it in the dark UNTIL AFTER DRAFT DAY that Gordon would be gone for the year.
IF WE KNEW GORDON WAS GOING TO BE SUSPENDED FOR THE YEAR LIKE THE FRONT OFFICE KNEW AND PASSED ON WATKINS.
THE PITCHFORKS WOULD BE AIMED TOWARDS THE FRONT OFFICE
This exact sentiment right here is why I made this thread. WHen we passed on Watkins I didn't even think twice about the notion that the NFL had already secretly told the FO that Gordon would not go down for the whole year and only just be a couple games. I thought no effing way they pass on Watkins if they didn't have some kind of early warning about the nature of Gordons suspension. WHen the year thing came down on Gordon I was dumbfounded. Utterly dumbfounded.
This exact sentiment right here is why I made this thread. WHen we passed on Watkins I didn't even think twice about the notion that the NFL had already secretly told the FO that Gordon would not go down for the whole year and only just be a couple games. I thought no effing way they pass on Watkins if they didn't have some kind of early warning about the nature of Gordons suspension. WHen the year thing came down on Gordon I was dumbfounded. Utterly dumbfounded.
although i DO respect both you and walter there should be no discussion. i'm saying it's over and finute.
if we want to start a thread of what coulda-beens i could seriously se us bitching back and forth for years.
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What pisses me off about passing on Watkins is that Pettine/Farmer/Haslam kept it in the dark UNTIL AFTER DRAFT DAY that Gordon would be gone for the year.
IF WE KNEW GORDON WAS GOING TO BE SUSPENDED FOR THE YEAR LIKE THE FRONT OFFICE KNEW AND PASSED ON WATKINS.
THE PITCHFORKS WOULD BE AIMED TOWARDS THE FRONT OFFICE
u would be playing in the super bowl.Gordan and Watkins? Good Lord unstoppable the Browns are dumb a fuck.
u would be playing in the super bowl.Gordan and Watkins? Good Lord unstoppable the Browns are dumb a fuck.
Ok while I agree that Gordon and Watkins would be near unstoppable when Hoyer is on his game....you evidently haven't seen our defensive play. In no way shape or form would be playing for the superbowl with this defense. No way.
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