Interesting Options Developing in Browns QB Situation
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I think Hoyer should be proud of himself and Browns fans should be thankful that he's allowing us to be competitive while Manziel gets "ready"... but let's be real. This is a guy with a bottom third arm who isn't a threat with his legs and has completed about 56% of his passes from MSU through now, the brink of 30.
He ain't changing at this point. He's not surgically accurate, he isn't strong armed, and he isn't a threat to run. He's Brian Hoyer. He'll be Brian Hoyer next year and the year after that. He's a solid bridge starter and high-end backup in the Cassel-Moore-Fitzpatrick area. I struggle to believe anybody really expects a lot more than that.
I'd bet one of my three balls the Browns end up in the 8-8 to 9-7 area, middle of the league, and Hoyer ends up around 20th-25th in PR, somewhere in the area of 86. He hasn't seen the worst weather or best defenses he'll face.
I think that's a nice beginning for a rising team and an accurate representation of what/who Hoyer is... and that ain't good enough in this 65% completion, 100-ish PR league. The top 10-12 PR QBs are basically your playoff teams, year after year.
Manziel comes with no guarantees... but I feel pretty confident Hoyer is what he is and it ain't enough. Pettine is talking about Hoyer's contract status and the need to evaluate Manziel in the same breath, even as the Browns are alive for a playoff birth. It's a thing. It's an issue.
Shep, it's not so much an accuracy issue (except on deep balls 80% of the time) As it is just plain being erratic. His thread the needle passes are dead on. His arm is adequate, nothing special. And I totally disagree on the mobility issue, unless you're comparing him to Manziel, or a healthy RG III. Hoyer certainly has better wheels than the Mannings (either one), Brady, and probably Drew Brees. He's mobile enough- and the previously mentioned prove in spades you don't have to be a track star to be an upper echelon qb in the NFL.
Amen.
I feel like someone else around here has been saying the same thing since preseason.
Shep occasionally drops by- he used to be a regular over here- hangs out on the other place. I'd suggest you follow him over there- there's a lot more Manziel love on Barki**ing Hard.
Sound familiar? We hope to be so lucky.
Not really D, Kosar had one of the most accurate deep passes in the history of the NFL. Shep's comparisons are what I'm coming around to think- Fitzpatrick good, he's also being compared to Chad Pennington too. He might improve some, but 10 best in the league he's never going to be. I'll have to remind Shep guys like Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, Jim McMahon, Mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, and Brad Johnson won Super Bowls. The QB doesn't have to be Peyton (choke) Manning- if the rest of the team is good enough.
Dynasty? F**k that- "Just ONE before I die."
@everlastingxxx said:
Romo was also playing hurt.
From the start?
Shep occasionally drops by- he used to be a regular over here- hangs out on the other place. I'd suggest you follow him over there- there's a lot more Manziel love on Barki**ing Hard.
How'd that work for Mikey?
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Kind of a modest goal.
Not exactly hitching your wagon to a star there bud.
WSS
If Hoyer gets the Browns to 3 Champ games, then yea, I'll hitch my wagon to him.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Regardless, please dont compare Hoyer to Romo.
Yes, from what we have seen, so far ... Hoyer doesn't choke.
Zombo
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@everlastingxxx said:
Regardless, please dont compare Hoyer to Romo.
Yes, from what we have seen, so far ... Hoyer doesn't choke.
Zombo
@everlastingxxx said:
.... please dont compare Hoyer to Romo.
Zombo said:
Yes, from what we have seen, so far ... Hoyer doesn't choke.
And both are the same pedigree, being undrafted FA's that ended up becoming NFL starters. So he's really one of the better ones to compare Hoyer with.
Hoyer does have a MUCH higher winning percentage though, so it's probably not really fair to him to make that comparison. Sorry Brian.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Regardless, please dont compare Hoyer to Romo.
Yes, from what we have seen, so far ... Hoyer doesn't choke.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
Yes, from what we have seen, so far ... Hoyer doesn't choke.
Zombo
Yea, because getting cut 3x's has nothing to do with choking.
That just means his football genius was misunderstood.
Yea, because getting cut 3x's has nothing to do with choking.
That just means his football genius was misunderstood.
Apparently it was. We added him to a perennial 4-12 team and now they are winning.
Romo was added to a perennial underachieving Cowboy team and then ... they REALLY underachieved.
Zombo
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Hoyer has never lost a Super Bowl; Jim Kelly blows compared to Brian Hoyer.
This is fun logic, I think I just became a better golfer than Phil,
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Johnny Manziel has never lost an NFL game before.
NEVER.
he's never thrown 3 interceptions in a game.
He's never gone 16/41 and lost to the worst team in the NFL.
Are you starting to follow your logic?
HINT: HOYER HAS NEVER PUT HIMSELF IN A SITUATION TO CHOKE LIKE ROMO HAS. ITS INCREDIBLY SELECTIVE.
WE DON'T KNOW IF hOYER WOULD CHOKE WITH A PLAYOFF BIRTH ON THE LINE, OR IN THE PLAYOFFS
BECAUSE....
DRUM ROLL....
HE'S BEEN GETTING CUT AND PRACTICING.
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Johnny Manziel has never lost an NFL game before.
NEVER.
he's never thrown 3 interceptions in a game.
He's never gone 16/41 and lost to the worst team in the NFL.
Are you starting to follow your logic?
HINT: HOYER HAS NEVER PUT HIMSELF IN A SITUATION TO CHOKE LIKE ROMO HAS. ITS INCREDIBLY SELECTIVE.
WE DON'T KNOW IF hOYER WOULD CHOKE WITH A PLAYOFF BIRTH ON THE LINE, OR IN THE PLAYOFFS
BECAUSE....
DRUM ROLL....
HE'S BEEN GETTING CUT AND PRACTICING.
Johnny Manziel has never lost an NFL game before.
NEVER.
he's never thrown 3 interceptions in a game.
He's never gone 16/41 and lost to the worst team in the NFL.
Are you starting to follow your logic?
HINT: HOYER HAS NEVER PUT HIMSELF IN A SITUATION TO CHOKE LIKE ROMO HAS. ITS INCREDIBLY SELECTIVE.
WE DON'T KNOW IF hOYER WOULD CHOKE WITH A PLAYOFF BIRTH ON THE LINE, OR IN THE PLAYOFFS
BECAUSE....
DRUM ROLL....
HE'S BEEN GETTING CUT AND PRACTICING.
You seem very angry about Brian Hoyer. This is his first season as a starter ... other than last year when he went 3-0 as a starter on a 4-12 team. So now at 7-3 you are saying "so what, he was a journeyman".
Yes ... was.
Then he got a chance to start. Then he started to win. Still happening.
So ... I think we're going to play this whole thing out if you don't mind.
Zombo
---so Tony Romo chokes ... at least you got Weeden ... the guy that lost his job to Hoyer!
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@everlastingxxx said:
Browns are winning because of good coaching/scheme and good defense plus a weak schedule. Hoyer is just doing enough to not fuck things up. Credit him for being a bus driver but at some point he is going to have to do more to keep them winning.
Romo has proven to play at a high level for many seasons. He had given the Cowboys a chance to compete each year despite having terrible defenses, bad offensive lines and no focus on the running game.
If you think Hoyer is in the same class as Romo, you are either being dishonest in your comments or just lacking in football knowledge.
I do not think they are in the same class. Romo is in the Choking Class and Hoyer is in the Remains To Be Seen Class.
Zombo
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@everlastingxxx said:
Romo is a clutch QB. His stats prove it. http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2014/7/10/5887977/tony-romo-dallas-cowboys-myths-elimination-playoff-hunt-games
Far from perfect, but ill take him over Hoyer any day of the week. I dont need to wait any longer to see what Hoyer is. Its clear as day.
So then, you too are impressed with a QB that goes 7-3 on a team that other wise goes 1-12 over two years?
Zombo
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Wow.
ok...
Romo has produced for years.....and what he has produced are mediocre teams. 8-8 every year but one or two?
But look at the age difference. Romo is a full 5-6 years older. Brian has time to prove that he may be a mediocre as Romo.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Browns are winning because of good coaching/scheme and good defense plus a weak schedule. Hoyer is doing enough to not fuck things up. Credit him for being a bus driver but at some point he is going to have to do more to keep them winning.
Romo has proven to play at a high level for many seasons. He had given the Cowboys a chance to compete each year despite having terrible defenses, bad offensive lines and no focus on the running game. Hell, include horrible coaching as well.
If you think Hoyer is in the same class as Romo, you are either being dishonest in your comments or just lacking in football knowledge.
Zombo's response should be: Hell, I sure as hell hope Hoyer doesn't prove to be in the same class as Romo. We want to win.
But,you are right....it certainly has not been Romo's fault that the Cowboys haven't won. They have been a bad to mediocre team.
He should ask to go somewhere else to get fresh start. He would look good in a Jets uniform, no?
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Really "unleash #2" that's the phrase you're going to use for Manziel starting?@everlastingxxx said:
Stop-gap QB until they are ready to unleash #2.
Not doing yourself any favors, hahaha
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@everlastingxxx said:
Browns are winning because of good coaching/scheme and good defense plus a weak schedule. Hoyer is just doing enough to not fuck things up. Credit him for being a bus driver but at some point he is going to have to do more to keep them winning.
Romo has proven to play at a high level for many seasons. He had given the Cowboys a chance to compete each year despite having terrible defenses, bad offensive lines and no focus on the running game.
If you think Hoyer is in the same class as Romo, you are either being dishonest in your comments or just lacking in football knowledge.
I do not think they are in the same class. Romo is in the Choking Class and Hoyer is in the Remains To Be Seen Class.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I do not think they are in the same class. Romo is in the Choking Class and Hoyer is in the Remains To Be Seen Class.
Zombo
No, Hoyer is in the journeyman class.
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@everlastingxxx said:
#1. Hoyer is winning...so who cares right? Right. When you're winning you roll with it. Thats rule #1. Dont fix what aint broke.
I am just not impressed with Hoyer, sorry. No need to apologize. We're not too worried about what you think.
Manziel could do that. Um, probably. Im not aware of any one saying he couldn't
I saw a Browns defense that suffocated a Raiders offense. First time this year. It was timely for the D to show up. Until then, all the wins were on Hoyer and the Offense
ike i said, Browns won...who cares how it happened right? Exactly. A win is a win is a win. Even better when your team ISNT one dimensional and can & does win many ways. Defense, running, passing, turnovers, special teams. THATS the way to do it. Too many teams rely on one or 2 superstars, when having a balanced solid "team" can get er done
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choking?
let's compare apples with baby apples
Romo:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=RomoTo00
Hoyer:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/comeback.cgi?player=HoyeBr00
Game Winning Drives:
(26) Tony Romo (26) Boomer Esiason
(3) Brian Hoyer (3) Ryan Leaf
4Th QTR Comebacks
(22) Tony Romo, (22) Jim Kelly
(3) Brian Hoyer, (3) Jamarcus Russell
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