We blew it on Watkins.
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IN any case i thought I nominated you to stfu. What happened to you shutting the fuck up? Cleve******************************************************************I lost the election. You won, high school "wants to hump sammy watkins" blowhard.
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I'm not dumping on Gilbert. Saying Watkins is so far outperforming Gilbert by a vast sum is a completely accurate statement. Never said I don't think Gilbert won't turn out. Just said Watkins was a no brainer at a position we were lost at with Gordons problems.
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No, you just want to hump Watkins, and he isn't in town and you are forever bee-acced and bellyaching about him.
If Watkins was such a "no-brainer", then you ignore his maturity. What is the POINT about bitching about
the Browns making different moves? Dumbass. He wasn't the right guy for the Browns:
From his profile that was on NFL.COM
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WEAKNESSESProduction results heavily from a gimmicky offense. Routes could use some more polish. Does not consistently work the middle of the field. Could improve field awareness. Is still immature and could require some time to acclimate to an NFL playbook. Could stand to improve ball security and do a better job fielding punts."
Could stand to improve ball security and do a better job fielding punts."
Oh he was a suspect punt returner in college? Fuck my ass i didn't know. Never mind this whole we missed on Watkins thing, clearly we didn't. My god can you imagine him coming in here and ruining our spectacular special teams play this year? Fuck he would have ruined us. We'd be lucky to be 1-6 right now with an asshole like that on the field.
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wouldn't you say it depens on the WR? YOu can't say "we should draft a wr here or there". Same with any position really. Only QB's get a slight pass cause you have to have someone who's not an idiot taking snaps. But at almost every other position don't you look at the type of talent and how it fits on your team? And aren't there some talents you have to take, like Clowney, even though they don't fill an immediate need?
wouldn't you say it depens on the WR?
YOu can't say "we should draft a wr here or there".
You can say "it depends on the WR", but that complicates the discussion beyond hope. As does the "draft" analogy as it implies diminishing skills with each successive pick.
The discussion is around weighting of relative value of 22 positions... 25, if you count STs. Stay generic and then you can say "where you would rank your WRs". Plural because you have to pick 2 and I doubt most folk would go back to back.
OK sure, if you're a "teams are built from the inside out" guy - and the more I see what a dominant OL can do to a team, the more I'm leaning that way - then pick up more linemen higher up. But in your scenario, where do you draft a WR? Assuming you pick up a QB before WR, you also get a DL or two, and OL or two, you're still picking WR at best 6th.
First on Offense would be: QB then LT and C... FB would be last.
First on
ILB then SS and FS.WR might not be top ten... but would definitely not be last.
Anyway... whole notha thread on this...
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I really hate that the Bills are doing so good this year. The same way I felt about the Colts last year. We keep trading down with this teams that blow up, of course, Indy has Luck, who should have been ours. Indy tanked purposely and should have been penalized their first rounder for that shit. But anyways, it's what it is.
I was hoping for a top ten pick from the Bills but there is really good talent throughout the first round, depending on what you need. I was thinking a standout FS, but Gipson has been playing light's out this last year and a half, so maybe start looking into a SS to replace Whitner down the road, start grooming now, he's not going to live forever. I don't mean throw a first-rounder at a project future probowler, or maybe I do?, but if we do it's a good problem to have, we have so much talent right now, I'm surprised you guys aren't more excited.
Two first rounders and no really GLARING needs to date. Another probowl G? What would you change about the D? They are looking pretty good out there, even with the injuries... We really need a kicker, for real though, first round???
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Gilbert >>> Watkins.
How many catches does watkins have PER GAME? Gilbert plays a key role every play, while Watkins does nothing if he doesn't catch.
You know what else all those star receivers have in common? Zero super bowl rings. Dez may get one this year... because his role has been diminished.
WR is nothing but a shiny hood ornament. OL makes the offense go.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Gilbert >>> Watkins.
How many catches does watkins have PER GAME? Gilbert plays a key role every play, while Watkins does nothing if he doesn't catch.
You know what else all those star receivers have in common? Zero super bowl rings. Dez may get one this year... because his role has been diminished.
WR is nothing but a shiny hood ornament. OL makes the offense go.
Gilbert >>> Watkins.
How many catches does watkins have PER GAME? Gilbert plays a key role every play, while Watkins does nothing if he doesn't catch.
This is without a doubt one of the most ignorant, assbackward, hillbilly toothed arguments I've seen here.
Sammy Watkins very well may win rookie of the year if he keeps it up and is responsible for Buffalo's success with 2 hack QB's. Watkins currently averages 8 catches a game for 15.5 YPC while getting double teamed in certain occasions. To say he does nothing makes you look like a Retarded fucking asshole.
Gilbert until the past 2 weeks has been demoted and only been on the field in certain situations. (Kwan Williams was playing over him) and even Mike Pettine said he wasn't ready. GILBERT DOES NOT HAVE A KEY ROLE EVERY PLAY. Joe Haden and Skrine our the 2 key corners and Gilbert is starting to see more action.
I like that Gilbert is improving but you're a misinformed doofus
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Gilbert >>> Watkins.
How many catches does watkins have PER GAME? Gilbert plays a key role every play, while Watkins does nothing if he doesn't catch.
This is without a doubt one of the most ignorant, assbackward, hillbilly toothed arguments I've seen here.
Sammy Watkins very well may win rookie of the year if he keeps it up and is responsible for Buffalo's success with 2 hack QB's. Watkins currently averages 8 catches a game for 15.5 YPC while getting double teamed in certain occasions. To say he does nothing makes you look like a Retarded fucking asshole.
Gilbert until the past 2 weeks has been demoted and only been on the field in certain situations. (Kwan Williams was playing over him) and even Mike Pettine said he wasn't ready. GILBERT DOES NOT HAVE A KEY ROLE EVERY PLAY. Joe Haden and Skrine our the 2 key corners and Gilbert is starting to see more action.
I like that Gilbert is improving but you're a misinformed doofus
This is without a doubt one of the most ignorant, assbackward, hillbilly toothed arguments I've seen here.
Sammy Watkins very well may win rookie of the year if he keeps it up and is responsible for Buffalo's success with 2 hack QB's. Watkins currently averages 8 catches a game for 15.5 YPC while getting double teamed in certain occasions. To say he does nothing makes you look like a Retarded fucking asshole.
Gilbert until the past 2 weeks has been demoted and only been on the field in certain situations. (Kwan Williams was playing over him) and even Mike Pettine said he wasn't ready. GILBERT DOES NOT HAVE A KEY ROLE EVERY PLAY. Joe Haden and Skrine our the 2 key corners and Gilbert is starting to see more action.
I like that Gilbert is improving but you're a misinformed doofus
Maybe he didn't say it in the best way, but I think all he meant was CB is a much more important position than WR overall - IE secondary play makes a bigger difference than WR play in determining the outcome of most games. Also, it's a lot harder to get good CB play especially with modern NFL rules favoring the WR so much, whereas finding good WR talent isn't nearly as hard to do.
If Gilbert turns into a pro bowl level talent in the next couple years, make sure someone brings this thread back
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I know that CB is more important than receiver but he said Gilbert > Watkins which is far from reality.
I want Gilbert to get better and better but Sammy Watkins is far superior at this point.
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I know that CB is more important than receiver but he said Gilbert > Watkins which is far from reality.
I want Gilbert to get better and better but Sammy Watkins is far superior at this point.
I know that CB is more important than receiver but he said Gilbert > Watkins which is far from reality.
I want Gilbert to get better and better but Sammy Watkins is far superior at this point.
Yea, but comparing a CB to a WR isn't the best though. We got our guy, let's let him play. Little rookie is getting better and still has a huge upside.
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This conversation is still going on?
Sadly, it is. If it goes on much longer I'll shut it down.
Unfortunately, cleve's stupid ass repititive whining, ignorant bluster, and dumping
on Gilbert is causing quite a stir. He's worse than boring..... this thread is
not so bad except for the parts where he apparently would love
to give Sammy Watkins great big smoochies...must have a "Bighead Sammy" on his wall.
You meant Fathead, Fathead.
George C said:
This is funny..
Whoa, somehow, you guys think draft picks get us to the playoffs. There is a dumpster fire behind our stadium, and it's filled with first round busts, second round busts, and third round busts.
I'll take a star, rather than draft picks because our boat load of prime picks has sunk to the bottom of Lake Erie.
Barky Mingo anyone?
Shall I go on?
No you won't.
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George C said:
If that's the case, why have we been shut out from the playoffs since Christ was an alter boy? We have had our share of championship building low round picks, and failed. Hence, the "factory of sadness" as we are known world wide..
It's not the pick, it's the quality of the player you are picking. Gilbert and Mansfield fit right into the factory...
So you already have Gilbert pegged as a bust?
1. He isn't even halfway through his rookie season.
2. He has been showing considerable improvement over the past few weeks.
3. CB is one of the hardest positions to play.
4. You're a brain dead cunt.
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This conversation is still going on?
Sadly, it is. If it goes on much longer I'll shut it down.
Unfortunately, cleve's stupid ass repititive whining, ignorant bluster, and dumping
on Gilbert is causing quite a stir. He's worse than boring..... this thread is
not so bad except for the parts where he apparently would love
to give Sammy Watkins great big smoochies...must have a "Bighead Sammy" on his wall.
You meant Fathead, Fathead.
George C said:
This is funny..
Whoa, somehow, you guys think draft picks get us to the playoffs. There is a dumpster fire behind our stadium, and it's filled with first round busts, second round busts, and third round busts.
I'll take a star, rather than draft picks because our boat load of prime picks has sunk to the bottom of Lake Erie.
Barky Mingo anyone?
Shall I go on?
No you won't.
Watkins was one of a handful of consensus elite players in the 2014 draft... Watkins, Mack, Mathews, Clowney.
Gilbert was one of a handful that came in with elite potential... Gilbert, Robinson, Bortles, Ebron.
You can make an argument for adding a player here or there to one list or another, but that's basically it.
Sadly, it is. If it goes on much longer I'll shut it down.
Why? I'm learning things... e.g., Christ was a Catholic...
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ManzielSucks said:
Right now Buffalo will be picking around 25th... Great a late first round for missing out on the best WR in years.
The key here is "right now".
By the way, the best WR in years was drafted by ... Cleveland. In the second round of a supplementary draft. Give it up for Cleveland.
Zombo
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ManzielSucks said:
No... I am talking about Watkins. Gordon is doing shit getting himself suspended... Big fat goose egg for stats this year.
Get back to me when Watkins leads the league in receiving.
They're pretty much the same age and we can re-sign Gordon ... AND watch Gilbert develop into a stud ... AND draft two more first round talents next year.
Watkins is really good ... and we knew he would be, but ... c'mon.
Zombo
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George, you are not helping matters at all. The draft is a crapshoot, any type of player can be taken in any type of round.
At the end of the year, when Gordon tears it up through 6 games and the Browns are in the playoffs, will u then bitch and moan about the ABSOLUTE NEED for Watkins?
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ManzielSucks said:
I just dont see Watkins getting himself suspended by doing stupid things. If you want to be the best you can't do shit like that.
didn't watkins smoke trees in college?
dumb ass.
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You meant Fathead, Fathead. Mr. Hoorta
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dammit. R,OFL !
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George C said:
Dude, by the time players "develop into a stud", it's contract time and then they might be tempted to go to the glamor teams who will pay. Development players are taken in round three and above..
Thus, the importance to get something other than development time out of the, other than warming a bench when you draft in the top ten of the first round.
Btw, I get back to you now, Watkins was voted rookie of the week for three out of the past four weeks...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Gordon has caught a ball yet...
Hoorta, the warning point was pretty sad.
You don't like my opinion, so I get a point?
That's downright hilarious.
We're all here for our different takes. Try starting by cleaning up the personal insults and ignorant cussing here first, then you can sensor opinions to your liking.
Gilbert has played really well the past two weeks. Tell me how all of the current All Pro CBs did in the first five weeks of their career.
Rookie of the Week! Wow, I think Travis Prentice won that twice in one month.
Zombo
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