Things I think about things
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Hoyer did it (sure, not pretty, but got the job done and, yawn, his 4th 4th quarter comeback in 10 games) with no running game, no center, no Gordon and no Cameron.
Beat the fucking Bengals.
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Look, we all know what Hoyer is at this stage of the game. But no matter how you slice it, the guy being behind center has equated to wins so far this season. Do I have a huge worry we are in for a gigantic reality check against the Bengals? You bet your sweet ass I am. But until Hoyer and crew start losing games in bunches, he's the guy to start, period. It's not hard to understand.
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Another thing I think:
The Browns are currently ranked 21st in power rankings...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/rankings/
Think of where they could have been with Gordon and Mack the entire season so far,
and no injuries to the defense...
I also think that Billy Winn is a giant ninja. We were laughing and replaying him
doing a Billy Winn Leap and blocking the field goal, again and again:
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It is the exact same team
Martavis Bryant was inactive and James Harrison is still getting back in to game shape. Just the added wrinkle of Bryant has made a big difference with the offense so no its not the same team. The steelers are also playing at a much higher level.
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The quandary I'm in with Hoyer is, he looks horrible at times, missing relatively simple throws - not Weeden simple, mind you - and yet he'll hit a couple of big plays, and all of a sudden we're in the end zone. He seems to spend most of the game not doing much, and yet still comes out with good numbers, and more often than not the W.
So I'll see him miss some throws and think "jesus, he's really not that great" and then he'll throw a couple of 30-yarders that put us in the end zone and pad his stats.
I do wonder what JFF could do in this offence - though without Mack I'm wondering it less - but how can you not stick with Hoyer when he finds ways to win, as mentioned, without a run game, without his pro-bowl center, tight-end and WR?
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Another thing I think:
The Browns are currently ranked 21st in power rankings...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/rankings/
Think of where they could have been with Gordon and Mack the entire season so far,
and no injuries to the defense...
I also think that Billy Winn is a giant ninja. We were laughing and replaying him
doing a Billy Winn Leap and blocking the field goal, again and again:
Another thing I think:
The Browns are currently ranked 21st in power rankings...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/rankings/
Think of where they could have been with Gordon and Mack the entire season so far,
and no injuries to the defense...
I also think that Billy Winn is a giant ninja. We were laughing and replaying him
doing a Billy Winn Leap and blocking the field goal, again and again:
Holy shit, how did I miss that?!
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Every single interview I listen to of the Browns, tells me that
these guys are on fire every week, and they thrive on the
"fifth man" at home, and they LOVE the competition,
they really are on board with the coaches.
I keep hearing them talk about teamwork.
that's Farmer bringing in guys who have character, and a LOVE for the game.
That's Pettine and the rest of the coaching staff doing a great, freaking job.
And Hoyer? He really has the admiration and respect of his teammates. Hey, Manziel's
time will come, and he will be ready.
These Browns mean BUSINESS.
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I'm still laughing at that GIF !
Now, special teams are going to see that and figure...
"hey, we have to stand up a bit or he'll do that to us !"
which could mean, it gives the Browns guys more leverage.
I really shouldn't have posted that of Winn's block, laughing
and trying to eat breakfast is ridiculous.
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The quandary I'm in with Hoyer is, he looks horrible at times, missing relatively simple throws - not Weeden simple, mind you - and yet he'll hit a couple of big plays, and all of a sudden we're in the end zone. He seems to spend most of the game not doing much, and yet still comes out with good numbers, and more often than not the W.
So I'll see him miss some throws and think "jesus, he's really not that great" and then he'll throw a couple of 30-yarders that put us in the end zone and pad his stats.
I do wonder what JFF could do in this offence - though without Mack I'm wondering it less - but how can you not stick with Hoyer when he finds ways to win, as mentioned, without a run game, without his pro-bowl center, tight-end and WR?
The quandary I'm in with Hoyer is, he looks horrible at times, missing relatively simple throws - not Weeden simple, mind you - and yet he'll hit a couple of big plays, and all of a sudden we're in the end zone. He seems to spend most of the game not doing much, and yet still comes out with good numbers, and more often than not the W.
So I'll see him miss some throws and think "jesus, he's really not that great" and then he'll throw a couple of 30-yarders that put us in the end zone and pad his stats.
I do wonder what JFF could do in this offence - though without Mack I'm wondering it less - but how can you not stick with Hoyer when he finds ways to win, as mentioned, without a run game, without his pro-bowl center, tight-end and WR?
I'm finding it hard not to wonder the same thing. There were a few of those sacks on Hoyer that I wondered if we'd have seen a bit of JM's elusiveness in the pocket in action. I also wondered if JFF would've hit Tate in stride on that sideline pass. Should've been a TD and we came away with an FG on that one. But as long as we are winning I think we need to take the long view and let JM sit and develop slowly.
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And that's also true - Manziel's excellent mobility would really
have come in handy on several plays, where Hoyer isn't
the same mobility wise.
But I'd hate to see Manziel go in, and eventually get his clock cleaned/injured by
doing the rookie scrambling thing.
Yeah, there were plays I think Manziel could have really made, that Hoyer couldn't.
But Manziel still doesn't have Hoyer's qb experience with defenses. Winning record, stay the course.
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It is the exact same team
Martavis Bryant was inactive and James Harrison is still getting back in to game shape. Just the added wrinkle of Bryant has made a big difference with the offense so no its not the same team. The steelers are also playing at a much higher level.
Martavis Bryant was inactive and James Harrison is still getting back in to game shape. Just the added wrinkle of Bryant has made a big difference with the offense so no its not the same team. The steelers are also playing at a much higher level.
I wouldn't go printing playoff or Super Bowl tickets yet. James Harrison is old and so is Polly. The Colts while a nice team.. are not there yet.. The Ravens are doing pretty well for a team in transition. I'm sure if the Steelers played Seattle and Denver back to back.. the results would be different.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Unfortunately, the Steelers get the Jets next week, so we'll have another week of Big Ben putting up big numbers and people talking about the Steelers as superbowl contenders. Unless they lay an egg and let Vick pick up 150 yards and 3 TDs with his legs.
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Well, they were struggling, and they had to bring back their qb cheapshot artist.
Now they are winning. Go figure....
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They got a bit of that when Suggs took out Blount from behind though.
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ah, missed it. Didn't see the game....
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Martavis Bryant was inactive and James Harrison is still getting back in to game shape. Just the added wrinkle of Bryant has made a big difference with the offense so no its not the same team. The steelers are also playing at a much higher level.
I wouldn't go printing playoff or Super Bowl tickets yet. James Harrison is old and so is Polly. The Colts while a nice team.. are not there yet.. The Ravens are doing pretty well for a team in transition. I'm sure if the Steelers played Seattle and Denver back to back.. the results would be different.
I wouldn't go printing playoff or Super Bowl tickets yet. James Harrison is old and so is Polly. The Colts while a nice team.. are not there yet.. The Ravens are doing pretty well for a team in transition. I'm sure if the Steelers played Seattle and Denver back to back.. the results would be different.
I'm not punching anything but if you watched the last two games there is reason for optimism in Pittsburgh. The defense is getting a lot of pressure and Ben is doing what he wants. You can downplay the colts and the ravens all you want. The colts were on a 5 game streak and the ravens were 5-3 as well. The steelers still have the Bengals twice. Denver just got schlacked by the patriots and Seattle isn't the same.
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Posted Today, 11:45 AM
You'll love it
http://www.nfl.com/g...22107&tab=recap
********************************************************************Sounds to me like Suggs hit him in the hip, and slid down, before the whistle.Ah, the refs in pittiful burg. What a crock. And that helmet to helmet shot on Hawkins with NO CALL gripesme even more. What the heck? -
Every single interview I listen to of the Browns, tells me that
these guys are on fire every week, and they thrive on the
"fifth man" at home, and they LOVE the competition,
they really are on board with the coaches.
I keep hearing them talk about teamwork.
that's Farmer bringing in guys who have character, and a LOVE for the game.
That's Pettine and the rest of the coaching staff doing a great, freaking job.
And Hoyer? He really has the admiration and respect of his teammates. Hey, Manziel's
time will come, and he will be ready.
These Browns mean BUSINESS.
that's Farmer bringing in guys who have character, and a LOVE for the game.
That's Pettine and the rest of the coaching staff doing a great, freaking job.
^This...
I was thinking along the same lines last nite... The "love of the game" shines almost blindingly from Gabe and a few other youngins, but you can also see it in vets like Haden and Winn.
Martavis Bryant was inactive and James Harrison is still getting back in to game shape. Just the added wrinkle of Bryant has made a big difference with the offense so no its not the same team. The steelers are also playing at a much higher level.
I will grant you that the front 7 seems to be playing with attitude. Also that Bryant has added a missing element to the passing game, but you have lost your run identity... and that will create issues soon.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The quandary I'm in with Hoyer is, he looks horrible at times, missing relatively simple throws - not Weeden simple, mind you - and yet he'll hit a couple of big plays, and all of a sudden we're in the end zone. He seems to spend most of the game not doing much, and yet still comes out with good numbers, and more often than not the W.
So I'll see him miss some throws and think "jesus, he's really not that great" and then he'll throw a couple of 30-yarders that put us in the end zone and pad his stats.
I do wonder what JFF could do in this offence - though without Mack I'm wondering it less - but how can you not stick with Hoyer when he finds ways to win, as mentioned, without a run game, without his pro-bowl center, tight-end and WR?
So I'll see him miss some throws and think "jesus, he's really not that great" and then he'll throw a couple of 30-yarders that put us in the end zone...
Overall I thought he threw much better yesterday than he had in weeks. But under pressure, if he throws off his back foot, the odds of a poor pass are much greater. Same is true of any QB (RE: Flacco last nite), but when arm strength is not your forte the decline is greater.
My own personal suspicion for the fall off against JAX and OAK (besides the poor run game) is that he was playing hurt. Not sure what or when, but I suspect lower body with knee being the obvious candidate sometime during Week 6, week of the PTG rematch... possibly late in the Week 5 win over TN. The reason I think it was an issue was he stopped striding as straight into his throws as he had been in games 1-4.
Instead of stepping forward towards 12 0'clock (or more typically 11:30), started stepping towards 11 at best and often to 10:30 or even 10. The QB equivalent of a pitcher striding a little towards 1st instead of straight home... takes a little off the fastball. And the greater the pressure, the less he strode towards 12... and the weaker the throw.
Anyway... yesterday the stride was back as was the percentage of quality throws. We even saw a little "running". When was the last time we saw that?
Now we just need the run game from those meant to run...
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