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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @dste-ace said:

    West Virginia is a wasteland. Two people who aren't qualified to be local dog-catcher

    and tonight one of them will be a U.S. Senator. And the pity is that that person will

    fit right in with the rest of the Senate.

    I was curious, so I'm looking at a couple of videos. Shelley Moore Capito first, sounds stupid. Nathalie Tennant sounds no better. Both seem to be running on the grounds of "we don't want the government to interfere with WV" - well, good luck with that.

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    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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    @gftchris said:

    I was curious, so I'm looking at a couple of videos. Shelley Moore Capito first, sounds stupid. Nathalie Tennant sounds no better. Both seem to be running on the grounds of "we don't want the government to interfere with WV" - well, good luck with that.

    The elections here are just a fight to see who can ingratiate themselves more to the coal companies. So the debates are cringeworthy.

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      gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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      Capito: "Obama is BAAAAAAD"

      Tennant: Capito is BAAAAAAD"

      Neither have actual policies.

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        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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        No West Virginia politician does. Their job is to maintain the red carpet treatment for the coal industry and that is all they focus on. The state has a terrible taxation system for all other types of businesses. Small businesses get boned here.

        The state hemorrhages college grads and it isn't all of Appalachia who is experiencing that. WV college grads have to move to Ohio or South to find decent jobs.

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          gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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          So I'm watching the debate now (I have nothing else to do).

          Is there anyone in WV that doesn't work in a coal mine? Presumably diseases like bronchitis and TB (along with longest word in English: Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis) are common there? Do you have Geordie lamps instead of street lights?

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            MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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            A lot of the local elections have crap on both sides. Or worse, only one crappy guy running.

            Last Week Tonight did a good piece on this too

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              gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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              I'm bored of this now. As described, they're just going back and forth over who can give the biggest shout-out to the coal miners, and not talking about anything else.

              About 20k people involved in coal in West Virginia. About 1.8m people in West Virginia. So even if you assume that each of those coal-workers are supporting a family of 6(?) you're still talking to less than 10% of the population.

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                OsirisO Osiris wrote on last edited by
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                I'm voting for independents.

                "I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta
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                  T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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                  I'm not voting because I no longer care who wins what

                  Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                  • gftChrisG gftChris

                    I'm bored of this now. As described, they're just going back and forth over who can give the biggest shout-out to the coal miners, and not talking about anything else.

                    About 20k people involved in coal in West Virginia. About 1.8m people in West Virginia. So even if you assume that each of those coal-workers are supporting a family of 6(?) you're still talking to less than 10% of the population.

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                    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                    @gftchris said:

                    I'm bored of this now. As described, they're just going back and forth over who can give the biggest shout-out to the coal miners, and not talking about anything else.

                    About 20k people involved in coal in West Virginia. About 1.8m people in West Virginia. So even if you assume that each of those coal-workers are supporting a family of 6(?) you're still talking to less than 10% of the population.

                    The rest are on government assistance, working retail jobs to supply services to the miners and their families, or working in the small bit of forestry work (me).

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                      LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                      I am in the running for a GIS job in Canton so I will likely be leaving and never looking back.

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                        mohicanM mohican wrote on last edited by
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                        for the US House of representatives I have one choice - In person he's a nice guy but as a Representative he is a John Boehner sock puppet. Several of the counties in his congressional district used various tricks to keep Independent and Libertarian candidates off the ballot, and the district is such that the Democrats didn't bother to field a candidate.

                        Which is meaningless, anyway. Because he represents me, and about 800,000 other people plus his real constitutents, the lobbyists. Representative Republic my ass......

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                        • gftChrisG gftChris

                          Capito: "Obama is BAAAAAAD"

                          Tennant: Capito is BAAAAAAD"

                          Neither have actual policies.

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                          mohicanM mohican wrote on last edited by
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                          @gftchris said:

                          Capito: "Obama is BAAAAAAD"

                          Tennant: Capito is BAAAAAAD"

                          Neither have actual policies.

                          Expecting the political class to have policies that benefit a wide range of people is a recipe for futility. Even very smart people like Herbert Hoover cant manage the totality that is the U.S.

                          Hope has two beautiful daughters: Their names are Anger and Courage. Anger that things are the way they are. Courage to make them the way they ought to be. - St. Augustine. Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their vision. - Ayn Rand
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                            No West Virginia politician does. Their job is to maintain the red carpet treatment for the coal industry and that is all they focus on. The state has a terrible taxation system for all other types of businesses. Small businesses get boned here.

                            The state hemorrhages college grads and it isn't all of Appalachia who is experiencing that. WV college grads have to move to Ohio or South to find decent jobs.

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                            @logicisforsquares said:

                            No West Virginia politician does. Their job is to maintain the red carpet treatment for the coal industry and that is all they focus on. The state has a terrible taxation system for all other types of businesses. Small businesses get boned here.

                            The state hemorrhages college grads and it isn't all of Appalachia who is experiencing that. WV college grads have to move to Ohio or South to find decent jobs.

                            Exactly. The mantra of this election has been "Obama's War on Coal" and the heathen EPA.

                            Shelley Moore Capito is the daughter of Arch Moore, former WV congressman and governor, and ex-con.

                            He went to federal prison for extortion, obstruction, etc. His pattern of corruption goes back to the 1960's.

                            Google "Buffalo Creek Disaster" and you will see everything you need to know about Arch Moore. Shelley

                            basically got elected to congress because, inexplicably, there are a lot of West Virginian's who think Arch was the shit.

                            Natalie Tennant was the first ever female Mountaineer mascot at WVU. She is presently secretary of state and if you've

                            watched the debates it is painfully obvious that neither candidate is worthy of the United States Senate.

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                              @dste-ace said:

                              West Virginia is a wasteland. Two people who aren't qualified to be local dog-catcher

                              and tonight one of them will be a U.S. Senator. And the pity is that that person will

                              fit right in with the rest of the Senate.

                              I was curious, so I'm looking at a couple of videos. Shelley Moore Capito first, sounds stupid. Nathalie Tennant sounds no better. Both seem to be running on the grounds of "we don't want the government to interfere with WV" - well, good luck with that.

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                              @gftchris said:

                              I was curious, so I'm looking at a couple of videos. Shelley Moore Capito first, sounds stupid. Nathalie Tennant sounds no better. Both seem to be running on the grounds of "we don't want the government to interfere with WV" - well, good luck with that.

                              Yes, Capito always beats the drum of "government baaaad", although whenever anything that is beneficial to the people

                              opens or is instituted with help/money from the federal government, Shelley is right there to get her picture taken so that

                              everyone can see what a great job she's doing as the people's representative.

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                                W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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                                So what kind of policies do you want?

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                                • gftChrisG gftChris

                                  So I'm watching the debate now (I have nothing else to do).

                                  Is there anyone in WV that doesn't work in a coal mine? Presumably diseases like bronchitis and TB (along with longest word in English: Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis) are common there? Do you have Geordie lamps instead of street lights?

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                                  @gftchris said:

                                  So I'm watching the debate now (I have nothing else to do).

                                  Is there anyone in WV that doesn't work in a coal mine? Presumably diseases like bronchitis and TB (along with longest word in English: Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis) are common there? Do you have Geordie lamps instead of street lights?

                                  WV has a population of roughly 1.8 million people. 21,000 of which are coal miners. It's fascinating, in a very depressing

                                  way, the sway that coal/coal companies have over this state. In the 1950's there were 150,000 coal miners. The drop since

                                  then is due mostly to automation--coal companies discovered they could mine more coal for less money if they used machines

                                  instead of men. Now almost all of the "good" coal in deep seams has already been mined. Coal mined out West is cheaper

                                  but it's "Obama's War on Coal" and the EPA that is responsible for the plight of the coal miner in WV.

                                  As Logic said, WV politicians only job is to maintain the red carpet/knee pads for the coal companies. Add to that a lot of

                                  ignorant people who consistently vote against their own interests.

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                                    So what kind of policies do you want?

                                    WSS

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                                    LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                                    @westside-steve said:

                                    So what kind of policies do you want?

                                    WSS

                                    Maybe someone who has some foresight and adjust tax policy to attract businesses that will be here after coal dies out.

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                                      mohicanM mohican wrote on last edited by
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                                      Perhaps congress should do it's job and put a damper not on Coal but the EPA. Coal is still among the cheapest way of generating power, and coal burning plants are very clean compared to the 1970s. If anyone remembers seeing the smoke coming out of the stack in an 1970s era plant versus the coal plants of today you would never imagine they are burning the same fuel. Particulate counts went from parts per million to measuring parts per billion.

                                      any one that lives in an area with electricity generated by coal plants, or in an area where the EPA has taken coal plants off line has probably noticed, as I have, an increase in the electric bill.

                                      Perhaps it was necessary at the time, but now it seems that the EPA is one of the dirtiest tricks Richard Nixon played on the United States Citizenry.

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                                        LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                                        In WV, the problem is the coal companies. (Ex; They just recently poisoned the water of multiple counties). They claim the EPA is the problem when really the same companies are moving into natural gas and saving a dime then swearing it is the EPA's fault that they are having to lay people off.

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                                          Without trying to get into a pissing match over the EPA and the War on Coal, I will say that if you go

                                          to the coalfields of southern WV--where most of the coal was mined and made coal companies EXTREMELY

                                          rich--you will find something that more resembles a third world shitthole. That is what I was referring to when

                                          I spoke of ignorant people voting against their best interests. Wyoming and McDowell counties in WV are among

                                          the poorest areas in the U.S. It is no exaggeration to say that they look like third world wastelands. It is difficult

                                          to look at these areas and argue that coal has been good for the people that live there.

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