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what the hell? Did we turn a major corner or is Cincy closet bums?

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @vagitron said:

    I don't think he's a terrible coach, but I do think he has a tendency to lose his teams when the going gets a little tough.

    I'm pretty sure what you describe is a characteristic of a "bad coach".

    @vagitron said:

    I don't think Mike Brown works that way. If Lewis was ever going to be on his last leg that would have happened years ago IMO. He's had some serious up and downs. I'd place the game last night more on Dalton's absolutely pathetic play than on Lewis and his ability to coach. However Tom Coughlin is in a similar position in New York so you may be right. I'm sure his seat is getting warm but I don't believe his job is in danger, not yet.

    Lewis has survived a lot of things... a run of off-field behavior issues, injury plagued seasons, etc., but after a couple good years with play-off disappointments, 2014 was built up to be "their season". Seize the AFCN and a chunk of home-field and push at least to the Conf Championship...

    Many of the past failures, especially the off-field related ones, reflect at least as badly on the GM as they do the HC (and many would argue more on the GM). But when the talent is assembled... the pieces are in place... the expectations are heightened to be a major, post-season factor and you do not deliver???

    Not looking good for Marvin, right now...

    But there should be an opening (or two) in NYC...

    @tour2ma said:

    I'm pretty sure what you describe is a characteristic of a "bad coach".

    Lewis has survived a lot of things... a run of off-field behavior issues, injury plagued seasons, etc., but after a couple good years with play-off disappointments, 2014 was built up to be "their season". Seize the AFCN and a chunk of home-field and push at least to the Conf Championship...

    Many of the past failures, especially the off-field related ones, reflect at least as badly on the GM as they do the HC (and many would argue more on the GM). But when the talent is assembled... the pieces are in place... the expectations are heightened to be a major, post-season factor and you do not deliver???

    Not looking good for Marvin, right now...

    But there should be an opening (or two) in NYC...

    Not that the Browns didn't play their best game of the year- but the Bengals were missing 4 starters on defense. (Adkins went out with an injury). And they lost their staring RT- whoever was filling in for him makes McQuistan look like Joe Thomas. The guy was a turnstile all night.

  • Big win.

    Just big! period.

  • Compete in the sense of who wins the division, not head to head.

    Well, since both the Browns and Ravens have finished up with Pitt, then I guess it is up to both of us to rely on the Bengals to take the Steelers out.

    After last night does anyone have confidence that that will happen?

    One undeniable thing is that BR is playing lights out.

  • that loss was on Cincy's FO and their inability to acquire a QB that can make use of their offensive threats. Not on Marvin Lewis imo. Defensively they were without Burfict and Mauleauga (fuck I hate trying to spell that name). If we lost Dansby and either Robertson or Kirksey...what would our interior LB'ers look like? Someone knock on wood this instant pls.

  • Playoff "issues" aside, Dalton looked like their best option last year.

    I doubt the CIN FO made a decision on Dalton without consulting their HC... as in, "Can you win with...".

    Last nite's loss to "the lowly Browns" was likely not Lewis' proverbial "final straw", but it was a pretty effin' big straw to add to an accumulation of them.

    Injuries are a fact of NFL life. Acknowledge that, but ask of the players put on the field:

    - Did they look emotionally ready to play?

    - Did it look like they had solid game plans?

    - How well did they execute those game plans?

    Ultimately the answer to each of those falls on the HC.

    One HC on the field went 3 for 3... the other was damn close to an O-fer...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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    XxDaBuckeyexX said:

    Did anyone else see Sheard completely annihilate Little on that last pick?

    I didn't.....can someone gif that from the tape?

    @clevfan4life said:

    I didn't.....can someone gif that from the tape?

    Here the hit on Little :

    https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/DFF7917AF41142516649145110528_3dc2117fa7c.0.1.5422324218556887996.mp4?versionId=OJwqRMa8AFLFMeiXbzVSy3LcGb09UTsi

    And here's the full play :

    http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000424081/Skrine-intercepts-Dalton

  • there was another hit by sheard (not on little) that made that hit look like a slap to the behind.

    he absolutely smeared someone on the cincy field. can't remember who it was on but a bunch of us commented on in the tavern when it happened.

  • yeah sheard was careful not to draw a penalty on that one. Couple years ago you'd see him put his helmet underneath Little's chin. That was def a pullup

  • Agree... nice restraint by Sheard.... damn good discipline. Would have been so easy for him to lay Little out... and Lord knows he had reason to do so.

    At 9 Second mark of full replay Kirksey pretty well buried OG Boling along the sideline.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Playoff "issues" aside, Dalton looked like their best option last year.

    I doubt the CIN FO made a decision on Dalton without consulting their HC... as in, "Can you win with...".

    Last nite's loss to "the lowly Browns" was likely not Lewis' proverbial "final straw", but it was a pretty effin' big straw to add to an accumulation of them.

    Injuries are a fact of NFL life. Acknowledge that, but ask of the players put on the field:

    - Did they look emotionally ready to play?

    - Did it look like they had solid game plans?

    - How well did they execute those game plans?

    Ultimately the answer to each of those falls on the HC.

    One HC on the field went 3 for 3... the other was damn close to an O-fer...

    @tour2ma said:

    Playoff "issues" aside, Dalton looked like their best option last year.

    I doubt the CIN FO made a decision on Dalton without consulting their HC... as in, "Can you win with...".

    Last nite's loss to "the lowly Browns" was likely not Lewis' proverbial "final straw", but it was a pretty effin' big straw to add to an accumulation of them.

    Injuries are a fact of NFL life. Acknowledge that, but ask of the players put on the field:

    - Did they look emotionally ready to play?

    - Did it look like they had solid game plans?

    - How well did they execute those game plans?

    Ultimately the answer to each of those falls on the HC.

    One HC on the field went 3 for 3... the other was damn close to an O-fer...

    All that and more. Either the Bengals didn't go through the plays they were planning on using, or Dalton was stoned. Got around to watching some of the NFLN postgame from yesterday- Willie McGinest broke down around 4 of Dalton's flubs- and they were epic. Two of the ints- and one where AG Green turned Joe Haden around- the Red Baron throws the ball 15' over Green's head out of bounds.

  • Dalton just doesn't do well in prime time games. The Bengals put in Jason Campbell too late.

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  • I hope they employ Marvin Lewis till he retires... He's a nincompoop.

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~

  • I think both are true. The Browns are definetly a potential playoff team with an outstanding defense, while Cincinnati is a good team with QB who wets himself when the lights shine the brightest. Dalton is great on a quiet Sunday afternoon at 1, but when the playoffs or Prime Time comes his way, he looks more like Kyle Boller then Boomer Esiason. Cleveland is ascending, and the AFC North is, in my opinion, the best division in football.

  • RavensFan1996R RavensFan1996

    I think both are true. The Browns are definetly a potential playoff team with an outstanding defense, while Cincinnati is a good team with QB who wets himself when the lights shine the brightest. Dalton is great on a quiet Sunday afternoon at 1, but when the playoffs or Prime Time comes his way, he looks more like Kyle Boller then Boomer Esiason. Cleveland is ascending, and the AFC North is, in my opinion, the best division in football.

    @ravensfan1996 said:

    Cleveland is ascending, and the AFC North is, in my opinion, the best division in football.

    The afc north is probably the 2nd or 3rd worst division in the league. Based on current status of the teams and future outlook. The only division we're definitely better than is the afc south. The ravens and steelers below average with no current indication of improving. Both are actually probably on the decline. Bengals kind of suck. The always underachieve and have IMO the worst head coach and regular starting QB in football. Browns are nothing to write home about.

  • upper lipU upper lip

    @ravensfan1996 said:

    Cleveland is ascending, and the AFC North is, in my opinion, the best division in football.

    The afc north is probably the 2nd or 3rd worst division in the league. Based on current status of the teams and future outlook. The only division we're definitely better than is the afc south. The ravens and steelers below average with no current indication of improving. Both are actually probably on the decline. Bengals kind of suck. The always underachieve and have IMO the worst head coach and regular starting QB in football. Browns are nothing to write home about.

    @upper-lip said:

    The afc north is probably the 2nd or 3rd worst division in the league. Based on current status of the teams and future outlook. The only division we're definitely better than is the afc south. The ravens and steelers below average with no current indication of improving. Both are actually probably on the decline. Bengals kind of suck. The always underachieve and have IMO the worst head coach and regular starting QB in football. Browns are nothing to write home about.

    That's why every team has not only a winning record but every team is at least 2 games over .500 .

  • Mark OM Mark O

    @upper-lip said:

    The afc north is probably the 2nd or 3rd worst division in the league. Based on current status of the teams and future outlook. The only division we're definitely better than is the afc south. The ravens and steelers below average with no current indication of improving. Both are actually probably on the decline. Bengals kind of suck. The always underachieve and have IMO the worst head coach and regular starting QB in football. Browns are nothing to write home about.

    That's why every team has not only a winning record but every team is at least 2 games over .500 .

    @mark-o said:

    That's why every team has not only a winning record but every team is at least 2 games over .500 .

    Easy schedules.. And none of the teams have looked that good. Steelers and ravens have had lapses where they look horrible. Bengals are a .500 team at best. Their out of division wins are against the falcons, titans, and jaguars.

    Try again.

  • upper lipU upper lip

    @mark-o said:

    That's why every team has not only a winning record but every team is at least 2 games over .500 .

    Easy schedules.. And none of the teams have looked that good. Steelers and ravens have had lapses where they look horrible. Bengals are a .500 team at best. Their out of division wins are against the falcons, titans, and jaguars.

    Try again.

    @upper-lip said:

    Easy schedules.. And none of the teams have looked that good. Steelers and ravens have had lapses where the look horrible. Bengals are a .500 team at best. Their out of division wins are against the falcons, titans, and jaguars.

    Try again.

    Try again? No...you try again. Every team in the division is 2 games over .500, No other division in football has winning records like that. It hasn't happened in 70 some odd years.

  • Mark OM Mark O

    @upper-lip said:

    Easy schedules.. And none of the teams have looked that good. Steelers and ravens have had lapses where the look horrible. Bengals are a .500 team at best. Their out of division wins are against the falcons, titans, and jaguars.

    Try again.

    Try again? No...you try again. Every team in the division is 2 games over .500, No other division in football has winning records like that. It hasn't happened in 70 some odd years.

    @mark-o said:

    Try again? No...you try again. Every team in the division is 2 games over .500, No other division in football has winning records like that. It hasn't happened in 70 some odd years.

    Ok you win. This division is amazing. Best division ever. Steelers, ravens, bengals, browns. All world beaters

    You're stupid.

    This division has like 1 quality out of division win, and about 8 bad look losses. None of the teams are very good. Period. Steelers and ravens blow, and the bengals are a .500 team at best.

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  • And what division is better all around. Afc west. Nfc west?

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  • upper lipU upper lip

    @mark-o said:

    Try again? No...you try again. Every team in the division is 2 games over .500, No other division in football has winning records like that. It hasn't happened in 70 some odd years.

    Ok you win. This division is amazing. Best division ever. Steelers, ravens, bengals, browns. All world beaters

    You're stupid.

    This division has like 1 quality out of division win, and about 8 bad look losses. None of the teams are very good. Period. Steelers and ravens blow, and the bengals are a .500 team at best.

    @upper-lip said:

    Ok you win. This division is amazing. Best division ever. Steelers, ravens, bengals, browns. All world beaters

    You're stupid.

    This division has like 1 quality out of division win, and about 8 bad look losses. None of the teams are very good. Period. Steelers and ravens blow, and the bengals are a .500 team at best.

    You can't argue with the fact that having 4 teams 2 games over 500 hasn't happened since the 1930's. So they all must suck since it happens all the time in the NFL.

    "you're stupid" ? That's the best you've got. I give you facts and you come back with "you're stupid"? How fucking old are you? My 10 year old argues better than you.

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