Where the F is Crowell
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I believe you won't find the 40 times of AP, Foster, Forte, Lynch, Martin, Lacy, Bell, Morris & Gore to be overly impressive either.
The bulk of top 15 running backs in the NFL have 40 times ranging from 4.45-4.6. Notable speed merchants being Jamaal Charles, Reggie Bush, and Shady.
"Home run threat" Running backs (in terms of speed) are an extreme rarity. Most NFL teams want a back that can punish between the tackles, be reliable out of the backfield and
either run over or by LB's. That certainly isn't Charles, Bush or Shady.
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Jim Brown had the talent of all those guys and more in one package. He was both a punisher between the tackles and a home run threat......but then he is the best there ever was so it is unfair to compare others to him. So was Leroy Kelly. But it would be nice to have someone like that. The Child Abuser is the closest we come these days in the NFL.
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Agreed, but sometimes I wonder if Bo Jackson would have been mentioned
in the same category, if his career had been a longer one, and he had never been
badly injured....
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I believe you won't find the 40 times of AP, Foster, Forte, Lynch, Martin, Lacy, Bell, Morris & Gore to be overly impressive either.
The bulk of top 15 running backs in the NFL have 40 times ranging from 4.45-4.6. Notable speed merchants being Jamaal Charles, Reggie Bush, and Shady.
"Home run threat" Running backs (in terms of speed) are an extreme rarity. Most NFL teams want a back that can punish between the tackles, be reliable out of the backfield and
either run over or by LB's. That certainly isn't Charles, Bush or Shady.
This isn't a "greatest RB" discussion... not even a greatest Browns RB discussion..
I believe you won't find the 40 times of AP, Foster, Forte, Lynch, Martin, Lacy, Bell, Morris & Gore to be overly impressive either.
Not so much for debate points, but out of curiosity I'm going to dig up times for those you mention...but before I do have to say I know a couple are not "burners", but neither are they take it to the house guys, e.g., Foster and Lacy.
As a check I'll look at two longest, season leading runs for each. There may be longer 2nd runs in same season as the longest, but that's more digging than I care to do.
Combine 40 Time:
AP 4.40 -Foster 4.69 -Forte 4.44 -Lynch 4.46 -Martin 4.46 -Lacy 4.64 -Bell 4.56 -Morris 4.63 -Gore 4.55
2 Longest, Season-leading, TD runs as Pro:
AP 82/80 Foster 74/46 Forte 68/61 Lynch 77/56 Martin 70/28 Lacy 60/29 Bell 81/43 Morris 45/39 Gore 80/72
Besides being shocked that Bell is a mid-4.5's guy, only Gore's time vs. run length strikes me as being totally out of line, but the number of games he and AP have played eclipse the others on the list.
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Agreed, but sometimes I wonder if Bo Jackson would have been mentioned
in the same category, if his career had been a longer one, and he had never been
badly injured....
Agreed, but sometimes I wonder if Bo Jackson would have been mentioned
in the same category, if his career had been a longer one, and he had never been
badly injured....
I think would have come as close to JB as anyone, had he not rejected the Buccaneers to play baseball and not gotten hurt. He was on the order of OJ Simpson.
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This isn't a "greatest RB" discussion... not even a greatest Browns RB discussion..
I can be anything we want it to be.
Let's put it this way, none of the three: Tate, West, Crowell, are challenging JB for best Browns RB....at this point.
But, I think it is possible that West could work his way into Ernest Byner territory.
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defenses more likely to suffer demoralizing let down after facing Browns steady use of fresh legged Browns rb's . they have finally learned how to finish with a signature 4th quarter curb beatdown. I love crowell. He had two 360 spin moves on one play that were a thing of beauty. Not much of gain but still badass. I'd post vid but too fuckin lazy. look it up your dammy.
if you ain't excited about the Browns near feature you need to hang out with the lacrosse homo fans
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defenses more likely to suffer demoralizing let down after facing Browns steady use of fresh legged Browns rb's . they have finally learned how to finish with a signature 4th quarter curb beatdown. I love crowell. He had two 360 spin moves on one play that were a thing of beauty. Not much of gain but still badass. I'd post vid but too fuckin lazy. look it up your dammy.
if you ain't excited about the Browns near feature you need to hang out with the lacrosse homo fans
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I really don't put much stock in 40 times. They all are within a couple tenths of each other. I want a leg churning north south runner who hangs on to the ball.
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This week is Texas...... this might be a good week to start Tate.....let him take a shot at his old team?
This week is Texas...... this might be a good week to start Tate.....let him take a shot at his old team?
Probably not... at least not on that basis. Left on good terms as I recall, so not much revenge factor there.
Probably will just come down to who practices best this week.
I really don't put much stock in 40 times.
Most slow guys don't...
The context of the whole 40-time thing was our lack of a home run hitter... a back with breakaway speed.
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This week is Texas...... this might be a good week to start Tate.....let him take a shot at his old team?
Probably not... at least not on that basis. Left on good terms as I recall, so not much revenge factor there.
Probably will just come down to who practices best this week.
I really don't put much stock in 40 times.
Most slow guys don't...
The context of the whole 40-time thing was our lack of a home run hitter... a back with breakaway speed.
Right, he left for a chance to be the #1, a role he's sort of lost that the last 2 games though.Probably not... at least not on that basis. Left on good terms as I recall, so not much revenge factor there.
Probably will just come down to who practices best this week.
Our rookies are both around 4.5, plenty fast for a back IMO.Most slow guys don't...
The context of the whole 40-time thing was our lack of a home run hitter... a back with breakaway speed.
We do have WRs with breakaway speed which I think is more important.
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Right, he left for a chance to be the #1, a role he's sort of lost that the last 2 games though.Probably not... at least not on that basis. Left on good terms as I recall, so not much revenge factor there.
Probably will just come down to who practices best this week.
Our rookies are both around 4.5, plenty fast for a back IMO.Most slow guys don't...
The context of the whole 40-time thing was our lack of a home run hitter... a back with breakaway speed.
We do have WRs with breakaway speed which I think is more important.
Our rookies are both around 4.5, plenty fast for a back IMO.
We do have WRs with breakaway speed which I think is more important.
West is low 4.5's. Crow is closer to 4.6.
Benji is our only unreal speed guy at WR... in the 4.3's IIRC.(yup... 4.31 at combine)
Gordon is probably a close-ish 2nd in the 4.4's. (yup... 4.43, but has a recorded low of 4.32)
Turns out Gabe is a 4.40 guy.
Hawk: also 4.38
Moore: 4.49
Faster on the whole than I knew...
Then there's Austin... doubtful he can still run the 4.47 he did coming out of Monmouth...
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