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  • I hope they employ Marvin Lewis till he retires... He's a nincompoop.

  • I think both are true. The Browns are definetly a potential playoff team with an outstanding defense, while Cincinnati is a good team with QB who wets himself when the lights shine the brightest. Dalton is great on a quiet Sunday afternoon at 1, but when the playoffs or Prime Time comes his way, he looks more like Kyle Boller then Boomer Esiason. Cleveland is ascending, and the AFC North is, in my opinion, the best division in football.

  • I think both are true. The Browns are definetly a potential playoff team with an outstanding defense, while Cincinnati is a good team with QB who wets himself when the lights shine the brightest. Dalton is great on a quiet Sunday afternoon at 1, but when the playoffs or Prime Time comes his way, he looks more like Kyle Boller then Boomer Esiason. Cleveland is ascending, and the AFC North is, in my opinion, the best division in football.

    @ravensfan1996 said:

    Cleveland is ascending, and the AFC North is, in my opinion, the best division in football.

    The afc north is probably the 2nd or 3rd worst division in the league. Based on current status of the teams and future outlook. The only division we're definitely better than is the afc south. The ravens and steelers below average with no current indication of improving. Both are actually probably on the decline. Bengals kind of suck. The always underachieve and have IMO the worst head coach and regular starting QB in football. Browns are nothing to write home about.

  • @ravensfan1996 said:

    Cleveland is ascending, and the AFC North is, in my opinion, the best division in football.

    The afc north is probably the 2nd or 3rd worst division in the league. Based on current status of the teams and future outlook. The only division we're definitely better than is the afc south. The ravens and steelers below average with no current indication of improving. Both are actually probably on the decline. Bengals kind of suck. The always underachieve and have IMO the worst head coach and regular starting QB in football. Browns are nothing to write home about.

    @upper-lip said:

    The afc north is probably the 2nd or 3rd worst division in the league. Based on current status of the teams and future outlook. The only division we're definitely better than is the afc south. The ravens and steelers below average with no current indication of improving. Both are actually probably on the decline. Bengals kind of suck. The always underachieve and have IMO the worst head coach and regular starting QB in football. Browns are nothing to write home about.

    That's why every team has not only a winning record but every team is at least 2 games over .500 .

  • @upper-lip said:

    The afc north is probably the 2nd or 3rd worst division in the league. Based on current status of the teams and future outlook. The only division we're definitely better than is the afc south. The ravens and steelers below average with no current indication of improving. Both are actually probably on the decline. Bengals kind of suck. The always underachieve and have IMO the worst head coach and regular starting QB in football. Browns are nothing to write home about.

    That's why every team has not only a winning record but every team is at least 2 games over .500 .

    @mark-o said:

    That's why every team has not only a winning record but every team is at least 2 games over .500 .

    Easy schedules.. And none of the teams have looked that good. Steelers and ravens have had lapses where they look horrible. Bengals are a .500 team at best. Their out of division wins are against the falcons, titans, and jaguars.

    Try again.

  • @mark-o said:

    That's why every team has not only a winning record but every team is at least 2 games over .500 .

    Easy schedules.. And none of the teams have looked that good. Steelers and ravens have had lapses where they look horrible. Bengals are a .500 team at best. Their out of division wins are against the falcons, titans, and jaguars.

    Try again.

    @upper-lip said:

    Easy schedules.. And none of the teams have looked that good. Steelers and ravens have had lapses where the look horrible. Bengals are a .500 team at best. Their out of division wins are against the falcons, titans, and jaguars.

    Try again.

    Try again? No...you try again. Every team in the division is 2 games over .500, No other division in football has winning records like that. It hasn't happened in 70 some odd years.

  • @upper-lip said:

    Easy schedules.. And none of the teams have looked that good. Steelers and ravens have had lapses where the look horrible. Bengals are a .500 team at best. Their out of division wins are against the falcons, titans, and jaguars.

    Try again.

    Try again? No...you try again. Every team in the division is 2 games over .500, No other division in football has winning records like that. It hasn't happened in 70 some odd years.

    @mark-o said:

    Try again? No...you try again. Every team in the division is 2 games over .500, No other division in football has winning records like that. It hasn't happened in 70 some odd years.

    Ok you win. This division is amazing. Best division ever. Steelers, ravens, bengals, browns. All world beaters

    You're stupid.

    This division has like 1 quality out of division win, and about 8 bad look losses. None of the teams are very good. Period. Steelers and ravens blow, and the bengals are a .500 team at best.

  • And what division is better all around. Afc west. Nfc west?

  • @mark-o said:

    Try again? No...you try again. Every team in the division is 2 games over .500, No other division in football has winning records like that. It hasn't happened in 70 some odd years.

    Ok you win. This division is amazing. Best division ever. Steelers, ravens, bengals, browns. All world beaters

    You're stupid.

    This division has like 1 quality out of division win, and about 8 bad look losses. None of the teams are very good. Period. Steelers and ravens blow, and the bengals are a .500 team at best.

    @upper-lip said:

    Ok you win. This division is amazing. Best division ever. Steelers, ravens, bengals, browns. All world beaters

    You're stupid.

    This division has like 1 quality out of division win, and about 8 bad look losses. None of the teams are very good. Period. Steelers and ravens blow, and the bengals are a .500 team at best.

    You can't argue with the fact that having 4 teams 2 games over 500 hasn't happened since the 1930's. So they all must suck since it happens all the time in the NFL.

    "you're stupid" ? That's the best you've got. I give you facts and you come back with "you're stupid"? How fucking old are you? My 10 year old argues better than you.

  • @upper-lip said:

    Ok you win. This division is amazing. Best division ever. Steelers, ravens, bengals, browns. All world beaters

    You're stupid.

    This division has like 1 quality out of division win, and about 8 bad look losses. None of the teams are very good. Period. Steelers and ravens blow, and the bengals are a .500 team at best.

    You can't argue with the fact that having 4 teams 2 games over 500 hasn't happened since the 1930's. So they all must suck since it happens all the time in the NFL.

    "you're stupid" ? That's the best you've got. I give you facts and you come back with "you're stupid"? How fucking old are you? My 10 year old argues better than you.

    @mark-o said:

    You can't argue with the fact that having 4 teams 2 games over 500 hasn't happened since the 1930's. So they all must suck since it happens all the time in the NFL.

    "you're stupid" ? That's the best you've got. I give you facts and you come back with "you're stupid"? How fucking old are you? My 10 year old argues better than you.

    No division ever had " easy schedules" 😛

    There is no argument, AFC north is the best division in football overall right now. Maybe

  • I dunno about all this AFC north is the best division in football talk. This is a rebuilding division. There's obviously talent here, but best in the NFL? The Jets just beat the Steelers...that's as bad a loss as ours was to Jax. The Ravens and Steelers are defininitely on the decline and this is why I've been pissed the last few years with all these coaching changes. Now is the time to stomp on the division. If we keep rebuilding every year we're just letting them retool how they want instead of dictating their personnel (to an extent) cause they have to play us twice a year.

  • Maybe... but you could probably throw a blanket over the AFCN, NFCW and maybe, maybe the AFCE... even with the boat-anchor Jets.

    I think you look at records, but have to also look at trends. Today the NFCW just got very scary looking.

  • And what division is better all around. Afc west. Nfc west?

    @lbc-mike said:

    And what division is better all around. Afc west. Nfc west?

    I wouldn't want to be in a division with Az, SF and Se.

  • I dunno about all this AFC north is the best division in football talk. This is a rebuilding division. There's obviously talent here, but best in the NFL? The Jets just beat the Steelers...that's as bad a loss as ours was to Jax. The Ravens and Steelers are defininitely on the decline and this is why I've been pissed the last few years with all these coaching changes. Now is the time to stomp on the division. If we keep rebuilding every year we're just letting them retool how they want instead of dictating their personnel (to an extent) cause they have to play us twice a year.

    @clevfan4life said:

    I dunno about all this AFC north is the best division in football talk. This is a rebuilding division. There's obviously talent here, but best in the NFL? The Jets just beat the Steelers...that's as bad a loss as ours was to Jax. The Ravens and Steelers are defininitely on the decline and this is why I've been pissed the last few years with all these coaching changes. Now is the time to stomp on the division. If we keep rebuilding every year we're just letting them retool how they want instead of dictating their personnel (to an extent) cause they have to play us twice a year.

    6-4 is last place 😛 the other divisions may house some top flight teams, but they all have 1+ bottom feeders.

  • @clevfan4life said:

    I dunno about all this AFC north is the best division in football talk. This is a rebuilding division. There's obviously talent here, but best in the NFL? The Jets just beat the Steelers...that's as bad a loss as ours was to Jax. The Ravens and Steelers are defininitely on the decline and this is why I've been pissed the last few years with all these coaching changes. Now is the time to stomp on the division. If we keep rebuilding every year we're just letting them retool how they want instead of dictating their personnel (to an extent) cause they have to play us twice a year.

    6-4 is last place 😛 the other divisions may house some top flight teams, but they all have 1+ bottom feeders.

    @bbedward said:

    6-4 is last place 😛 the other divisions may house some top flight teams, but they all have 1+ bottom feeders.

    But isn't kind of like having a good record in the Big 10 right now? I mean we have had some quality wins in the division against powerhouses. Us against the Saints and the Steelers gay holing the Colts on the lords night. Maybe I'm wroing but I can't think of any other prime wins by one of our division teams. Every team in this division has had more than one game where they looked as bad as the worst teams in the entire league. Of course any team with a QB like Flacco or Ben is going to look "amazing" here and there. And now maybe you can throw the name Hoyer in there. But overall, the AFCN teams look like they have major holes at very key positions. Except the Browns really. If the Browns had all their starters we really look like the most solid team with the best depth in the division at nearly every position. Ok ILB'ers and perhaps RG/RT are an issue imo.

  • All three talking heads on The NFL channel picked the Bengals. Next week they'll pick Houston because of JJ Watt. It never ends so I've learned to ignore it over the years. The same applies to Ohio State. Usually I mute the television when they use national announcers who can't stand Ohio Stae.

  • @bbedward said:

    6-4 is last place 😛 the other divisions may house some top flight teams, but they all have 1+ bottom feeders.

    But isn't kind of like having a good record in the Big 10 right now? I mean we have had some quality wins in the division against powerhouses. Us against the Saints and the Steelers gay holing the Colts on the lords night. Maybe I'm wroing but I can't think of any other prime wins by one of our division teams. Every team in this division has had more than one game where they looked as bad as the worst teams in the entire league. Of course any team with a QB like Flacco or Ben is going to look "amazing" here and there. And now maybe you can throw the name Hoyer in there. But overall, the AFCN teams look like they have major holes at very key positions. Except the Browns really. If the Browns had all their starters we really look like the most solid team with the best depth in the division at nearly every position. Ok ILB'ers and perhaps RG/RT are an issue imo.

    @clevfan4life said:

    But isn't kind of like having a good record in the Big 10 right now?

    Oh no, did you just get off the phone with Mark May?

    Seriously, the AFC North is tough. The NFL is wide open this year- even teams like Denver, NE, GB, & Seattle have laid some eggs. Don't sleep on the 49ers or Indy either.

  • Not that it matters much which Div is best. It all shakes out in the end and Divisions dont win anything. But here are the bulk Div records just for fun.

    1) NFC West .....63.1%

    2) AFC North.....61.3%

    3) NFC North.....55.5%

    4) NFC East.......52.7%

    5) AFC East.......51.3%

    6) AFC West......50.0%

    7) AFC South.....35.1%

    😎 NFC South.....31.4%

  • Not that it matters much which Div is best. It all shakes out in the end and Divisions dont win anything. But here are the bulk Div records just for fun.

    1) NFC West .....63.1%

    2) AFC North.....61.3%

    3) NFC North.....55.5%

    4) NFC East.......52.7%

    5) AFC East.......51.3%

    6) AFC West......50.0%

    7) AFC South.....35.1%

    😎 NFC South.....31.4%

    @manzier said:

    Not that it matters much which Div is best. It all shakes out in the end and Divisions dont win anything. But here are the bulk Div records just for fun.

    And what if you throw out the high and the low like in Olympic judging? 🙂

  • Dalton is something like 2-9 on primetime TV now isn't he?

    Horrendous record on a talented team