Jones allowed to test market

Gips

With wilson being available it opens things up in berea it kinda sounds as though mankok may have someone else in mind at SS and they really didnt talk to greatly of him by saying"sean has done some good things for the team" but they sound like they are somewhat doubtful that jones will fit into the scheme of things..

While jones is one of our better players and a solid tackler i hardly see him as a pro bowl calibur strong safety he has some serious flaws in his game...i love jj but after all those operations on his knee and his age we have to question rather he can make it through the first game let alone the season..

Keeping both DA and BQ trade posturing or genuine?

I sure dont mind seeing a qb competition done in a non rigged fair way by coaches that can actually evaluate talent and effectiveness in our offensive scheme may the best man win and the loser gracefully accept his role as backup...

One thing is for sure mankok is approaching this offseason and their options in a slow methodical way that is painfully torturous to us fans it appears everything is up for grabs and they are keeping their inner feelings on things to themselves..

I like the slow appoach to FA rushing into FA is not a good thing to do when you have inherited a team that was poorly rush built from FA last year with only one great player emerging at the expense of this years draft picks...mankok has much evaluating to do before making serious decisions so im not complaining....

Sez.EJ

What troubles me is that Anderson seems to be a better practice player than Quinn. Gametime that seems to change. I hope it's just posturing in order to keep the value up.

roach

Zombo said:
As for Jones ... I'm not in love with the guy. He's average and can be replaced. So just don't overpay him.
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Today's paper also reports that Cribbs will get a look at a DB position. Clearly, the new front office is beginning to catch up to Roach's evaluation of talent. Thank goodness. It's lonely up here.

Oldcrow1945

Kokinis said....."Sean has done some good things here"....Hardly a ringing endorsement.

It makes me think they WANT to go in another direction.

ballpeen

@roach said:
Today's paper also reports that Cribbs will get a look at a DB position. Clearly, the new front office is beginning to catch up to Roach's evaluation of talent. Thank goodness. It's lonely up here.

LOL....I agree man....I would have been working Cribbs at safety 2 years ago.

YtownBrownsBacker

@ballpeen said:
LOL....I agree man....I would have been working Cribbs at safety 2 years ago.

He said they are going to take a look at Cribbs at both safety and corner.

lemosley01

I wonder if this means they are looking at Jenkins and then a LB in the 2nd (or maybe hoping they can trade for another first to get their LB).

Someone posted the other day that Jenkins wouldn't fit in at SS. What do you look for in a FS vs. SS?

WPB Dawg Fan

I was thinking Chung may be high on there boards for S in second round.

Riffer X

@sez.ej said:
What troubles me is that Anderson seems to be a better practice player than Quinn. Gametime that seems to change. I hope it's just posturing in order to keep the value up.

Good point Sez, and I've said this for awhile. DA is a better practice player than Queen, I saw it with my own eyes. However, in actual games, those defenses can actually hit you standing back there,

Posturing is everything from here on out.

Riffer X

@lemosley01 said:
I wonder if this means they are looking at Jenkins and then a LB in the 2nd (or maybe hoping they can trade for another first to get their LB).
Someone posted the other day that Jenkins wouldn't fit in at SS. What do you look for in a FS vs. SS?

A little more physicality IMO. Jenkins is strong and athletic, but he has about 3 to 4 years to be elite at corner first. I just can't see drafting a corner with size at pick 5 and converting him to SS for run stuffing and TE responsibilities.

I'm a huge Jenkins fan, but I can't see it. We've got two decent young corners already, but Jones is not special and shouldn't be paid too much just because of need.

ballpeen

@ytownbrownsbacker said:
He said they are going to take a look at Cribbs at both safety and corner.

I know...Roach and I were ahead of the curve.

Oldcrow1945

@riffer-x said:
A little more physicality IMO. Jenkins is strong and athletic, but he has about 3 to 4 years to be elite at corner first. I just can't see drafting a corner with size at pick 5 and converting him to SS for run stuffing and TE responsibilities.
I'm a huge Jenkins fan, but I can't see it. We've got two decent young corners already, but Jones is not special and shouldn't be paid too much just because of need.

I agree. I think Jenkins will be a good corner. But I don't think he's the impact player you need with the #5 pick

Although it's well known that Mangini loves big physical corners.

Greythan

I can echo the practice God that DA presents. Spent a day at training camp in Berea and came away flat out dazzled at the way his ball looks through the air. Cutting, tight and effortless motion. Guy throws a beautiful ball.

I'm worried about Jones. Primarily because we don't have an alternative at this stage. If we go out and sign a FA why not simply have tagged Jones?

Oldcrow1945

@greythan said:
I'm worried about Jones. Primarily because we don't have an alternative at this stage. If we go out and sign a FA why not simply have tagged Jones?

I'm sure it's a cost thing. I don't know the numbers but I think someone on this board said he get's over 6 mil if he's tagged.

I imagine they believe they can obtain another safety for a lot less money and Mangini probably wants that cap room for other positions of need.

Riffer X

oldcow1945 said:
I'm sure it's a cost thing. I don't know the numbers but I think someone on this board said he get's over 6 mil if he's tagged.
I imagine they believe they can obtain another safety for a lot less money and Mangini probably wants that cap room for other positions of need.

Yeah, what you just said.

ballpeen

For safety, the franchise tag is $6.3 million. For the transition tag, it is $5.13 million.

By not tagging Jones either way, it means we won't pay 6.3 million and don't want to start the bidding on him at 5.13 million.....and it probably wouldn't start that high, we would be stuck with that amount.

We are doing it the right way....let some other team start the bidding so we can consider beating it, or just let him go.

Some of you seem too eager to overpay for a pretty average performer.

JMO