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Bills WR Hogan outplaying "superstar" Sammy Watkins

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  • Watkins is a nice player and all, but not what the Bills needed to win. You can't be a game changer when you touch the ball once a quarter.

    2 first round picks for a guy producing 80 yds a game????.....smh.......(glad it's not us)

  • Hogan has only outplayed Watkins, because Watkins has forced opposing D-coordinators to focus on HIM.

    Agree, that trading multiple picks for a WR is stupid. The Bills win last night with better O-line play and better QB play. They could've fielded Megatron, Dez Bryant, and Sammy Watkins and still lost that game...

    I knew Orton would drop back to Earth. He is NOT all-of-a-sudden going to take the NFL by storm in his 10th year. He's had plenty of opportunities to be good, but he has proven to be nothing better than a backup who can win 2-3 games in-a-pinch...

    Now the Bills are stuck with no QB, a weak O-line, and no 1st round pick to improve at those spots... smh... Good news for us is they will continue to lose, thus improving our draft position next year...

    #Justsayin'
    Tour2maT nickersN 2 Replies
  • thenew23T thenew23

    Hogan has only outplayed Watkins, because Watkins has forced opposing D-coordinators to focus on HIM.

    Agree, that trading multiple picks for a WR is stupid. The Bills win last night with better O-line play and better QB play. They could've fielded Megatron, Dez Bryant, and Sammy Watkins and still lost that game...

    I knew Orton would drop back to Earth. He is NOT all-of-a-sudden going to take the NFL by storm in his 10th year. He's had plenty of opportunities to be good, but he has proven to be nothing better than a backup who can win 2-3 games in-a-pinch...

    Now the Bills are stuck with no QB, a weak O-line, and no 1st round pick to improve at those spots... smh... Good news for us is they will continue to lose, thus improving our draft position next year...

    @thenew23 said:

    Hogan has only outplayed Watkins, because Watkins has forced opposing D-coordinators to focus on HIM.

    Ding Ding Ding...

    Change title to "Bills WR Hogan outplaying Opponents' #3 CB"...

    The Bills thought Sammy was their final piece... you may not pay up for a WR, but you do for your final piece.

    They counted on EJ Manuel to pan out.

    They did not expect to be starting their #3 RB.

    And their D is damn good... even minus Kiki. Super Mario looked as dominant last nite as I have seen him in a long while.

    So they took a shot on who will end up being the best WR in the draft...

    How you say? "Book et"

    I'd add that "history will be kind to me", but that has been ruined forever...

    On a lighter note... looks like Tannehill is starting to display some of the promise that made the Fins reach for him 3 years ago.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • Look, Watkins is going to be a great player. The Browns opted for the pick and it's easy to play the what if game. But if Gordon finally turns his shit around, Gilbert keeps playing well, and the Bills pick turns into a good player we won that trade hands down. What Farmer has done to this roster already gives me hope for the first time in forever that we will draft well. There's no reason to keep wanting Watkins to fail to show the Browns were "right" to pass him. He's good, but we can easily get two just as talented players when it's all said and done.

    Tour2maT 1 Reply

  • Watkins is nice ...

    ...But so is

    Evans

    Matthews

    Brown

    Gabriel

    Benjamin

    Hurns

    Robinson

    Edit:

    Beckham

    Cooks

    I know I'm missing some too. He hasn't far and away outplayed any of those WRs. Some were had in the 1st some UDFA's.

  • Really. Just as predicted, this draft was LOADED with great receivers.

    Personally, I think Benjamin looks like the monster in the group. But Evans, Watkins, Beckham and Cooks are also looking really good.

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  • jrb12711J jrb12711

    Look, Watkins is going to be a great player. The Browns opted for the pick and it's easy to play the what if game. But if Gordon finally turns his shit around, Gilbert keeps playing well, and the Bills pick turns into a good player we won that trade hands down. What Farmer has done to this roster already gives me hope for the first time in forever that we will draft well. There's no reason to keep wanting Watkins to fail to show the Browns were "right" to pass him. He's good, but we can easily get two just as talented players when it's all said and done.

    @jrb12711 said:

    There's no reason to keep wanting Watkins to fail to show the Browns were "right" to pass him. He's good, but we can easily get two just as talented players when it's all said and done.

    Good point from which I am immune since I passed on Sammy the second Khalil Mack was passed over by Jags at #3...

    @downsouthkc said:

    Watkins is nice ...

    ...But so is

    Evans Matthews Brown Gabriel Benjamin Hurns Robinson

    I know I'm missing some too. He hasn't far and away outplayed any of those WRs. Some were had in the 1st some UDFA's.

    I believe the graphic last nite showed Sammy was second only to Benjamin among all rookie WRs.. so there's that...

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @jrb12711 said:

    There's no reason to keep wanting Watkins to fail to show the Browns were "right" to pass him. He's good, but we can easily get two just as talented players when it's all said and done.

    Good point from which I am immune since I passed on Sammy the second Khalil Mack was passed over by Jags at #3...

    @downsouthkc said:

    Watkins is nice ...

    ...But so is

    Evans Matthews Brown Gabriel Benjamin Hurns Robinson

    I know I'm missing some too. He hasn't far and away outplayed any of those WRs. Some were had in the 1st some UDFA's.

    I believe the graphic last nite showed Sammy was second only to Benjamin among all rookie WRs.. so there's that...

    @tour2ma said:

    Good point from which I am immune since I passed on Sammy the second Khalil Mack was passed over by Jags at #3...

    I believe the graphic last nite showed Sammy was second only to Benjamin among all rookie WRs.. so there's that...

    Yep, in a do-over from our position at number four, I'm still not taking Watkins, I'm after Mack.

  • ManzierM Manzier

    Really. Just as predicted, this draft was LOADED with great receivers.

    Personally, I think Benjamin looks like the monster in the group. But Evans, Watkins, Beckham and Cooks are also looking really good.

    @manzier said:

    Really. Just as predicted, this draft was LOADED with great receivers.

    Personally, I think Benjamin looks like the monster in the group. But Evans, Watkins, Beckham and Cooks are also looking really good.

    I really liked Beckham. I remember thinking he'd be a good pick with our 2nd 1st rounder if he fell... but oh well... I think Evans will be the best, Beckham 2nd, and Watkins will be 3rd when it is all said and done. Benjamin and Cooks will be good receivers, but not quite the same level as the other 3...

    #Justsayin'
  • thenew23T thenew23

    @manzier said:

    Really. Just as predicted, this draft was LOADED with great receivers.

    Personally, I think Benjamin looks like the monster in the group. But Evans, Watkins, Beckham and Cooks are also looking really good.

    I really liked Beckham. I remember thinking he'd be a good pick with our 2nd 1st rounder if he fell... but oh well... I think Evans will be the best, Beckham 2nd, and Watkins will be 3rd when it is all said and done. Benjamin and Cooks will be good receivers, but not quite the same level as the other 3...

    @thenew23 said:

    I really liked Beckham. I remember thinking he'd be a good pick with our 2nd 1st rounder if he fell... but oh well... I think Evans will be the best, Beckham 2nd, and Watkins will be 3rd when it is all said and done. Benjamin and Cooks will be good receivers, but not quite the same level as the other 3...

    Yeah, Beckham is playing huge. Missed the first 4-5 games, but is making up for it now.

  • out of all the receivers i liked evans the best in the draft because of his size. we already have a #1 in gordon, sleak and fast. evans would have been the perfect compliment if we would have gone in that direction.

    i'm glad the browns did what they did by picking gilbert because it was a much needed position fill.

    the bills just blew it and if i were a fan would be questioning their FO and coaching staff at this point because the miami D made the bill's OLine look like a pee wee football squad. orton isn't that bad (i mean he's not that good either) but he's lucky he got off any passes at all.

    and if i were the owner i'd do a flush of that coaching staff at the end of the year.

  • I'm just gonna play devil's advocate here.

    At the end of the season the Browns say, thanks for the good year, Brian, but we're gonna see what johnny's got.

    Hoyer the destroyer gets his starter salary in buffalo so we have Hoyer throwing to Watkins and Manziel throwing to Gordon. That's my stone cold lock for the offseason.

  • R RoyceRolls

    I'm just gonna play devil's advocate here.

    At the end of the season the Browns say, thanks for the good year, Brian, but we're gonna see what johnny's got.

    Hoyer the destroyer gets his starter salary in buffalo so we have Hoyer throwing to Watkins and Manziel throwing to Gordon. That's my stone cold lock for the offseason.

    @roycerolls said:

    I'm just gonna play devil's advocate here.

    At the end of the season the Browns say, thanks for the good year, Brian, but we're gonna see what johnny's got.

    Hoyer the destroyer gets his starter salary in buffalo so we have Hoyer throwing to Watkins and Manziel throwing to Gordon. That's my stone cold lock for the offseason.

    Sounds like a realistic possibility to me.

    And if the Browns already know they're gonna go that route, then would it make sense to sign Hoyer now then work a trade?

    Cold blooded perhaps, but it IS a business. Right?

  • Trade him for their 2016 1st round pick

  • bet you that DOESN'T happen.

  • Ok, out of curiosity and the sake of comparison, l did research.

    Josh Gordon's rookie year, 2012, statistics: 805 yds, 5 tds, 12 catches of 20+ yds.

    2013: 1,646 yds, 9 tds, 30 catches of 20+ yds.

    Supports the school of thought that it takes rookie receivers some time to get acclimated to the NFL.

  • IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown

    Ok, out of curiosity and the sake of comparison, l did research.

    Josh Gordon's rookie year, 2012, statistics: 805 yds, 5 tds, 12 catches of 20+ yds.

    2013: 1,646 yds, 9 tds, 30 catches of 20+ yds.

    Supports the school of thought that it takes rookie receivers some time to get acclimated to the NFL.

    @ibleedbrown said:

    Ok, out of curiosity and the sake of comparison, l did research.

    Josh Gordon's rookie year, 2012, statistics: 805 yds, 5 tds, 12 catches of 20+ yds.

    2013: 1,646 yds, 9 tds, 30 catches of 20+ yds.

    Supports the school of thought that it takes rookie receivers some time to get acclimated to the NFL.

    and a decent QB throwing them the football.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    @ibleedbrown said:

    Ok, out of curiosity and the sake of comparison, l did research.

    Josh Gordon's rookie year, 2012, statistics: 805 yds, 5 tds, 12 catches of 20+ yds.

    2013: 1,646 yds, 9 tds, 30 catches of 20+ yds.

    Supports the school of thought that it takes rookie receivers some time to get acclimated to the NFL.

    and a decent QB throwing them the football.

    @miktoxic said:

    and a decent QB throwing them the football.

    .. and who exactly was that QB for the best part of 2013?

    Also comparing Shurmur/ ShurChildressmur vs Chud/ Turner...

    George C said:

    Hopefully, our new owner finally hires an NFL elite coach, and fumigates the last remnants of the Ralph Wilson regime.

    Until next year, best of luck to the Browns and Mike Pettine.

    What... not going to visit again in a couple weeks?

    Probably will be too busy culling "elite coach" resumes...

    @roycerolls said:

    At the end of the season the Browns say, thanks for the good year, Brian, but we're gonna see what johnny's got.

    I'll take any piece of that mik leaves on the table...

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  • yeah give some action with the browns trading hoyer or just letting him go to see 'what johnny can do'.

    all bidders take your shots.

    easy pickins.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    yeah give some action with the browns trading hoyer or just letting him go to see 'what johnny can do'.

    all bidders take your shots.

    easy pickins.

    @miktoxic said:

    yeah give some action with the browns trading hoyer or just letting him go to see 'what johnny can do'.

    all bidders take your shots.

    easy pickins.

    Browns re-sign Hoyer, keep Manziel but possibly move him by the deadline next year... that's my prediction. If Hoyer is a 9-3 (how much better by season end?) fluke, then we can still keep our options.

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