Quarterback driven league
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Here's the way I've looked at it for a good while now. A Super Bowl caliber QB needs to be able to take over the game when it matters, simple. Eli Manning has never had eye-popping numbers, but the dude up until the past few years played huge when he had to. It's plainly obvious to see that a strong running game is critical as well. Being able to have guys who can get tough yards and dominant time of possession has consistently shown to be associated with winning football teams. Like said above, a franchise QB doesn't automatically equal success (see Steelers past few years). But a team has to have one to not be in the basement.
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Crowell was running great in the first half until he fumbled in the red zone. That changed the game. After that play, we saw more of West and Tate neither of whom could get anything going with the football. That fumble, while early in the game, was the turning point in the game.
Add in the Cundiff miss, and what could have easily been a 17-7 lead going into halftime, turned into a 14-7 deficit... Changed the feel of the entire game, and squashed all the confidence and momentum this team had going... Hopefully we can bounce back this week and pound the rock...
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Since the first Super Bowl in 1966 there have been 48 Super Bowls.
43 of them have been won by HALL OF FAME, MVP, OR PRO BOWL QB'S multiple times.
Star, Namath, Dawson, Unitas, Staubach, Stabler, Greise, Bradshaw, Montana, Rypien, Simms, Aikman, Young, Favre, Warner, Brady, Big Ben, E. Manning, P. Manning, Rogers, Brees, Flacco, Wilson.
Sweet. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Jim Plunkett, and Doug Williams won with a running game.
4/48 Super Bowl were won without good QB's. Gotcha OP.
Since the first Super Bowl in 1966 there have been 48 Super Bowls.
43 of them have been won by HALL OF FAME, MVP, OR PRO BOWL QB'S multiple times.
Star, Namath, Dawson, Unitas, Staubach, Stabler, Greise, Bradshaw, Montana, Rypien, Simms, Aikman, Young, Favre, Warner, Brady, Big Ben, E. Manning, P. Manning, Rogers, Brees, Flacco, Wilson.
Sweet. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Jim Plunkett, and Doug Williams won with a running game.
4/48 Super Bowl were won without good QB's. Gotcha OP.
What about the years before that? I think you can find some pretty damn good QBs winning titles. Like Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas, Otto Graham, Sid Luckman, Sammy Baugh, Bob Waterfield, Bobby Layne....and others.
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Blanket statements like "qb-driven leagie" and "defense wins championships" are bullshit.
Great teams win championships. Sometimes those teams are better on defense (85 Bears, Bucs, Seahawks), sometimes they're better on offense (49'ers, 90's Cowboys). They almost always have really good to great qb's.
Blanket statements like "qb-driven leagie" and "defense wins championships" are bullshit.
Great teams win championships. Sometimes those teams are better on defense (85 Bears, Bucs, Seahawks), sometimes they're better on offense (49'ers, 90's Cowboys). They almost always have really good to great qb's.
Agree, "Great Balance" wins championships. Or should I say, a team has to be pretty great both offensively and defensively to win.
(since a team can have great balance....by being bad on both sides of the ball)
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Your QB has to be your main weapon if you want to win in todays NFL.
I can't believe I'm agreeing with you.
The Seahawks do not go to the playoffs without Russell Wilson's 100+ QB rating and ability to escape pressure.
3300 yards, 26 TD's, 9 int's, and a 65 % is damn good QB-ing.
I can't believe I'm agreeing with you.
The Seahawks do not go to the playoffs without Russell Wilson's 100+ QB rating and ability to escape pressure.
3300 yards, 26 TD's, 9 int's, and a 65 % is damn good QB-ing.
Yup damn good... not dominant.. or elite... just damn good. Other apt descriptors? Efficient... complementary... game-managing...
Divide the season yardage by 16 and you get 206 YPG. Dominant? Even add in the 30-ish YPG Wilson rushed for and you are shy of 250.
Brady? Won three SB's as a complementary QB averaging under 240 ypg. Since then he has won zero, but his yards are up.
No one wins simply because they have the "best" QB.
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Since the first Super Bowl in 1966 there have been 48 Super Bowls.
43 of them have been won by HALL OF FAME, MVP, OR PRO BOWL QB'S multiple times.
Star, Namath, Dawson, Unitas, Staubach, Stabler, Greise, Bradshaw, Montana, Rypien, Simms, Aikman, Young, Favre, Warner, Brady, Big Ben, E. Manning, P. Manning, Rogers, Brees, Flacco, Wilson.
Sweet. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Jim Plunkett, and Doug Williams won with a running game.
4/48 Super Bowl were won without good QB's. Gotcha OP.
Since the first Super Bowl in 1966 there have been 48 Super Bowls.
43 of them have been won by HALL OF FAME, MVP, OR PRO BOWL QB'S multiple times.
Star, Namath, Dawson, Unitas, Staubach, Stabler, Greise, Bradshaw, Montana, Rypien, Simms, Aikman, Young, Favre, Warner, Brady, Big Ben, E. Manning, P. Manning, Rogers, Brees, Flacco, Wilson.
Sweet. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Jim Plunkett, and Doug Williams won with a running game.
4/48 Super Bowl were won without good QB's. Gotcha OP.
Yes, but if you truly evaluate those winning QBs, you will find that they had complete teams (at least while they were winning). When you look at some of the big names today such as Rothlesburger, Eli Manning, Flacco, Wilson, why are they not winning? Football is the one sport where it is all about being a complete team. A great QB and no Oline, wont get it done. A great Oline and no QB wont get it done. A pathetic Dline and the best QB wont get it done unless you have Aaron Rodgers and even he can only do so much. Again, football is about having a complete team and all of those QBs mentioned above had complete teams.
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I can't believe I'm agreeing with you.
The Seahawks do not go to the playoffs without Russell Wilson's 100+ QB rating and ability to escape pressure.
3300 yards, 26 TD's, 9 int's, and a 65 % is damn good QB-ing.
Yup damn good... not dominant.. or elite... just damn good. Other apt descriptors? Efficient... complementary... game-managing...
Divide the season yardage by 16 and you get 206 YPG. Dominant? Even add in the 30-ish YPG Wilson rushed for and you are shy of 250.
Brady? Won three SB's as a complementary QB averaging under 240 ypg. Since then he has won zero, but his yards are up.
No one wins simply because they have the "best" QB.
No one wins simply because they have the "best" QB.
Well, all of the best QB's have won Super Bowls (minus Marino)
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Since the first Super Bowl in 1966 there have been 48 Super Bowls.
43 of them have been won by HALL OF FAME, MVP, OR PRO BOWL QB'S multiple times.
Star, Namath, Dawson, Unitas, Staubach, Stabler, Greise, Bradshaw, Montana, Rypien, Simms, Aikman, Young, Favre, Warner, Brady, Big Ben, E. Manning, P. Manning, Rogers, Brees, Flacco, Wilson.
Sweet. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Jim Plunkett, and Doug Williams won with a running game.
4/48 Super Bowl were won without good QB's. Gotcha OP.
Since the first Super Bowl in 1966 there have been 48 Super Bowls.
43 of them have been won by HALL OF FAME, MVP, OR PRO BOWL QB'S multiple times.
Star, Namath, Dawson, Unitas, Staubach, Stabler, Greise, Bradshaw, Montana, Rypien, Simms, Aikman, Young, Favre, Warner, Brady, Big Ben, E. Manning, P. Manning, Rogers, Brees, Flacco, Wilson.
Sweet. Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Jim Plunkett, and Doug Williams won with a running game.
4/48 Super Bowl were won without good QB's. Gotcha OP.
Doug WIlliams might not have been a "franchise" quarterback, but during that Superbowl he, and the Redskin receivers were superb and clearly outmatched Denver.
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If you think the QB is just "1 of 22" and has no more importance than other players on the field, then nobody can help you. You're lost. No position is more important, and it's not even close.
Todays NFL, even more so then 10 years ago, is all about the QB. The rules are designed for the QB to score points. Passing yards and points have never been higher. If your QB can't sling it then he better be able to hurt the other team with his feet. If he has neither of those abilities then you you're not going to win a Super Bowl with that guy. -
Well, all of the best QB's have won Super Bowls (minus Marino)
And Marino may have been the best QB ever. He never won a SB because he never had a really good D.
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Well, all of the best QB's have won Super Bowls (minus Marino)
And Marino may have been the best QB ever. He never won a SB because he never had a really good D.
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Well, all of the best QB's have won Super Bowls (minus Marino)
And Marino may have been the best QB ever. He never won a SB because he never had a really good D.
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Well, all of the best QB's have won Super Bowls (minus Marino)
Really?
When did Dan Fouts win his? Fran Tarkenton? Jim Kelly?
Bleacher says there are 50 of them... I did not bother to look.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1025782-50-greatest-quarterbacks-never-to-win-a-super-bowl
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Lets be honest, players(qb's especially) get elevated to god status as soon as they win a SB. Some deserve it and some dont.
A great quarterback certainly CANT win a Super Bowl with an average team, but an average quarterback could win one with a great TEAM.(and then he might be declared great)(or get paid like it).
But a great QB definitely improves your odds. I see QB's who "statistically" were average to below average, but they won SuperBowls and are considered GREAT!
And I see QB's who had long, successful careers and statistically were great, but they never won a SB and, therefore are considered "ok"
So, if WINNING defines great. Then you gotta give Hoyer space, because he's winning.
And if STATISTICS define great. Then you gotta say "average" qb's have won a lot of SB's.
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If you think the QB is just "1 of 22" and has no more importance than other players on the field, then nobody can help you. You're lost. No position is more important, and it's not even close.
Todays NFL, even more so then 10 years ago, is all about the QB. The rules are designed for the QB to score points. Passing yards and points have never been higher. If your QB can't sling it then he better be able to hurt the other team with his feet. If he has neither of those abilities then you you're not going to win a Super Bowl with that guy.Todays NFL, even more so then 10 years ago
Don't let the Mensa boys see that you don't know "than" from "then"
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Well, all of the best QB's have won Super Bowls (minus Marino)
How do you define "best"? Of the Top 20 in career QB rating, over half of them have never won SB.
Of the Top 20 QBs in career TD passes, over half of them have never won a SB.
Of the Top 20 QBs in career completions, over half of them have never won a SB.
Of the Top 20 QBs in career passing yards, over half of them have never won a SB.
So, like I said, how do you define "best QBs" Or does you criteria sound like this:
Of all the QBs that have won Super Bowls, all of them have won Super Bowls.
Just curious.
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Todays NFL, even more so then 10 years ago
Don't let the Mensa boys see that you don't know "than" from "then"
Don't let the Mensa boys see that you don't know "than" from "then"
You use "Than" when talking options, comparing one thing to another "Stockton is smarter THAN you"
You use "Then" when talking chronologically, a period of time like "Even more so THEN 10 years ago"
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I think there's many people who know more about football that dont have a menstrual card.
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I think there's many people who know more about football that dont have a menstrual card.
I think there's many people who know more about football that dont have a menstrual card.
Well if any of those people think Brian Hoyer is a Franchise QB, then they would never be up for a Menstrual Card.
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Well if any of those people think Brian Hoyer is a Franchise QB, then they would never be up for a Menstrual Card.
You harp on the same thing over and over and over so much I swear you are driven by estrogen.
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